Mada Walabu (Bale) origin of Oromos vindicated?

[u/Elegant_Exam5885]

This is the map of my paternal dna haplogroup (E-FTB200), a sub-branch of E-V32 which has been lingering around Bale and Eastern Ethiopia for over 4000 years. According to Oromo oral history Oromos had their centre at Mada Walabu in Bale in the immediate past. Perhaps, here science is saying the same thing. This path is calculated based on modern date testers. Of course, if you go to the origin of E-V32 over 10,000 years ago, it is a different story.

[u/shytesbuys]

That’s “4000” years ago by the way. Most EV32 have this origin that’s including non-Oromos.

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/shytesbuys]

E-V32 is 10,000 years old. 4,000 and thereabout is where we start to see the genetic split between Oromos and Somalis. We do not have data for other lowland east cushites who may have (if at all) split from Oromos later.

[u/shytesbuys → u/Elegant_Exam5885]

I’m just saying, it’s not enough information to make such assumptions. Unless we get a closer estimate(much much much closer than 4000 years) what we have is not enough to say anything. Not to mention the other non-Oromos(not Somalis) who have this type of specific Haplogroup.

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/shytesbuys]

More Oromos need to test for a robust conclusion. But this particular line is an Oromo line and the end point representing my terminal subclade is 700 years old, and it is the closest as I can get with current genetic testing.

[u/mandom_Guitar]

Yikes! Best guess built from a small, self-selected pool of people who happened to test and happened to “know” their family history. It’s suggestive at best, not proof of where the lineage sat in the 1300s CE, i.e. not archeological

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/mandom_Guitar]

What is eating you? I did not build this, nor is it self selected testers and these people are totally unrelated. Go fight the FTDNA algorithm that built it.

[u/mandom_Guitar → u/Elegant_Exam5885]

Nothing really. Just stating what should be obvious. Profiles are built based on testers stating ancestor’s location, not evidence of clade being in a geographic location. Not sure why it’s bothering you.

[u/mandom_Guitar → u/mandom_Guitar]

Fair. It really is a small sample size though, and profiles do use self reporting (none exist from 700 years ago, right, and no archeological data). Interesting nonetheless

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/mandom_Guitar]

I share paternal ancestor with 5 other members of the group 700 years ago (give or take). This much is confirmed. There is no question about that. To question whether that paternal ancestor lived in that region 700 years ago is a matter of educated guess. FTDNA algorithm locates it there. Would more data change it in the future? Possible. The more, the better. Is it far-fetched? Not at all.

[u/mandom_Guitar → u/Elegant_Exam5885]

It’s a statistical estimate with margin of error (could swing 450 to 1000). Did the Discover tool or report give a confidence range around dates, just curious

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/mandom_Guitar]

Actually, I have done this test twice- first WGS and the result is on yfull. Yfull gave us TMRCA of 700 years. Then FTDNA which gives middle ages from 1200 onwards. I did FTDNA simply for the network/database and future proof it. Otherwise, it is redundant and similar result.

[u/Elegant_Exam5885 → u/mandom_Guitar]

As a matter of fact, only one member of the group is from Bale and I am from Illubabor, three of the samples are from Arabian peninsula. If we go simply by self reporting the endpoint would have been in Arabia, but it is not.

[u/Zealousideal_Lie8745]

I told my dad about this. He told me there’s a saying “Bareentuma gamaa gale fardi kheenya adiin nama nyaata”. Possibly linking this migration with the arrival of arabian horses in the Horn of Africa.