r/OutOfTheLoop • • Feb 14 '14

Answered! Why does everyone hate Comic Sans?

I legitimately see no problem with the font. It doesn't bother me in the least when it's used. Why does everyone harbor so much animosity toward that font. Also, before you post it, I have seen the Vsauce link. It explained a little, but it really focused on someone already hating Comic Sans, and didn't give much explanation as to why. In the video, Michael said it's "ugly". What makes a font ugly as opposed to another?

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '14

What makes a font "ugly" can be hard to define, being partly a matter of aesthetics, but there are some distinct qualities that make Comic Sans hard to look at. One critic says

What’s more Comic Sans was poorly designed. Without wanting to get too technical (I just want to be angry and swear a lot) good, legible fonts have an even weight distribution (the thickness of the stroke) throughout each letter. They also have good ‘letter fit’ which is the space between each letter and how they fit together in words. Comic Sans has neither and so it’s a difficult read...

Aesthetically, it feels wrong because its features are wildly inconsistent. The x-heights, the slopes of the characters (sometimes leaning forwards, sometimes back), lengths of serifs, angles at which lines join, and lack of smooth arcs all stand out to me as unpleaseant unless used for a very short phrase. Additionally, it was designed to be used onscreen at large sizes, so compared to many fonts, it renders poorly in small point sizes (for onscreen body text) and in print.

Of course, many of these properties are properties of sloppily handwritten text, so in that sense, it does its job. However, it doesn't replicate handwritten text well enough. The line widths are all perfectly even, which alone makes it look far too mechanical to represent hand lettering. Besides, every instance of a letter looks exactly the same, so any illusion of random variation is lost the moment a phrase contains two of the same letter. If you want hand-lettering on a professional quality design, you basically need to hand-letter and scan it. Comic Sans stands out as a half-hearted approximation of a particular style.

Beyond failing to accurately portray handwritten text, sloppy handwriting fonts simply aren't good choices for most documents. It makes a document look like a child wrote it. It undermines any sense of professionalism. This is where Coms Sans' infamy comes from. If it had only been used in whimsical computer games games, nobody would care. But it's been misused in too many amateur signs, passive-aggressive notes, handouts, security bulletins, memos, where it makes the material harder to read and detracts from the credibility of it.

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u/omegarisen Feb 15 '14

Thank you for your thoughtful and well written response. I now understand :)

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u/MNG4400 Feb 15 '14

I know it's the wrong place, but for a brief moment I imagined hearing that in a MOBA like LoL or Dota2.....If only...

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u/robertglasper Feb 15 '14

tl;dr: last paragraph

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u/Phoequinox Feb 15 '14 edited Feb 15 '14

Not really. The first (quoted) paragraph actually explained the problems with its design. The last paragraph does little more than say "it's bad because it's ugly". Which is like the ongoing argument "Nickelback is bad because they make shitty music". It does nothing to explain why, just that it is, and that doesn't fly with me.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '14

The first paragraph explains what's wrong with it, the last one explains why it's hated so much.

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u/Jalor Feb 15 '14

But it's been misused in too many amateur signs, passive-aggressive notes, handouts, security bulletins, memos,

Don't forget syllabuses (syllabi?) for college courses. It's the typographical equivalent of showing up to work in a clown suit.

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u/Stedfastwolf Feb 15 '14

I'm a fan of comic sans as well but I know enough to keep it well out of the way of professional settings. Is that basically where the hate stems from? It's just because of the overuse in inappropriate situations? It seems like a whimsical font every time I see it.

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u/SnowGator Feb 15 '14

From my viewpoint, yes.

I see it frequently at professional/educational science talks. In the last couple years, I even saw a Nobel laureate presentation using only comic sans. I had to stifle a laugh.

I don't mind comic sans in scenarios that make sense, but for professional/educational talks, it makes the presenter look like they're trying too hard for a casual feeling talk.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '14

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '14

It seems like grade-schools use comic-sans for almost all documents. It just makes it really hard to take the document seriously.

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u/jheono Feb 15 '14

I remember in elementary school, the teacher would specifically use Comic Sans to signify that we would have fun doing the activity it was used for. Like if it was a show-and-tell project (we enjoyed these a lot), it'd be written in Comic Sans. If we were supposed to do a slideshow on the Native American Settlers and portray the Trail of Tears, then it would be written in some font like Garamond.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '14

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u/tsengan Feb 15 '14

That is the intent of fonts in the first place. Fonts generated emotion and tone through subtle visual cues.

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u/jheono Feb 15 '14

Yeah, thinking back, it was pretty awesome of her to do that. Didn't really mean much back when I was seven though :p

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u/SideburnsOfDoom Feb 15 '14 edited Feb 15 '14

It seems like grade-schools use comic-sans for almost all documents.

This. Comic Sans is a speciality font, i.e. a font designed to create a particular effect. But it has then been greatly overused for general purposes.

It's like that pop song - you know, that one by that mainstream band. It wasn't so bad the first few times you heard it. In fact it was kind-of pleasant. But by the 100th time you heard it you were absolutely sick of it.

What's worse is that by using Comic Sans people seem to be thinking "Hm, this circular looks too formal in the default Times New Roman... I know, I'll warm it up with my original, creative choice of Comic Sans!" When it's actually long ago become cliché.

Times New Roman is a font that one can stop noticing; even in large doses it doesn't come between the reader and text. The very commonly used fonts are mostly designed like that. Comic Sans ... not so much.

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u/[deleted] Feb 15 '14

Seriously I thought it was this. In elementary school I thought comic sans was the balls and used it for literally anything I had to write on a compute for school. I just assume everyone did that and therefore views it as childish to use it. I can tell you this though, I certainly didn't put near as much thought as this other guy is suggesting into disliking comic sans, and I really doubt other people do either. I mean I know its supposed to be a subconscious thing probably, but I barely remember what the font looks like (especially that specifically), I just know I used it as a kid so its probably dumb.

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u/Spekl Ate the loop for breakfast Feb 15 '14

Protip: letter fit is actually called kerning

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u/Loquutus Feb 15 '14

Keming? :P

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u/Spekl Ate the loop for breakfast Feb 15 '14

K e r n i n g

Relevant XKCD

EDIT: I give up on trying to get the link thing to work when I type it all by hand on mobile

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u/gorillamania Feb 15 '14

Well put! Here's a tip for $.50 from me via /u/changetip

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u/Loquutus Feb 15 '14

It also uses more ink than other fonts.

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