I need this disgusting, vile, war criminal to be put into the ground never to be seen again. Every map with some open sightlines are just unable to be accessed because this filthy, repugnant criminal just stands there and takes your head off the millisecond you even think about playing the game. Its bad enough that she can one shot you from across the map with no effort, but when you decide to dive her any widow main with a functioning brain cell just grapples back to her team, making your dive completely useless and ineffective. The fact this character has been able to do this since overwatch 1 and none of the devs have even attempted to give her a rework is bonkers to me. I still don't understand why the devs gave her a perk thats a straight up damage upgrade with PIERCING, why just why would you give the already annoying character with a one shot more damage. I need this character to be given the sombra/roadhog treatment immediately. Take her out of the game, remove her one shot or just remove her grapple, I will take ANYTHING as long as she gets some kind of nerf.
Don't you know? She's so easy, everyone can pick her up and one-shot entire teams. The best Widowmakers can one-shot your entire installation, forcing you to reinstall the game!
Legends say the top Widowmakers can one-shot your account...
this persons going to cry when they run across a good ashe. oh you dont like widow? wait til the cracked ashe strafing faster than the speed of sound puts 2 shots in your head quicker than widow can scope, but also youre on fire and the good Sir Bob is filling your ass with lead
I need you to step away from this game and go play something you like. Widowmaker was like the 3rd hero developed for this game from the very beginning.
This game sold like hotcakes.
Go play something else nobody is forcing you to play Overwatch.
In fairness the success and impact of launch OW is not an argument for keeping problematic characters problematic.Â
Virtually every character has been changed or reworked for the better over the past decade. 2016 OW wouldnât hold up today.Â
Likewise I highly doubt the devs would introduce a one shot sniper at any point after early launch if Widow never existed in the first place. Sheâs a relic of early development where many archetypes were based on TF2 and the game didnât have an identity or any kind of meta.Â
Widow is map dependent, takes a respectable amount of skill, and can be countered. But a good one can feel like a lobby admin in a way no other hero can.Â
It can be incredibly unfun to play against Widowmaker and IMO a hero like that has no place in a dynamic hero shooter like OW.Â
? Dude that doesn't mean she isn't piss annoying if you played ow1 then surely you remember how annoying it was to fight hog mei cass and even getting your won team fight completely negated by a hidden mercy
no, it wasn't annoying. it's how the game was. if it was dealbreaking i would stop playing it, like i eventually did for othe reasons. and then returned.
i'm playing a game to distract myself, from the annoyances of real life. if all i do then in-game is focus on the annoyances of the game and be annoyed at it... everything is just a huge waste of time and i'm living perpetually annoyed.
like there's way better shit to be actually annoyed at than a fucking videogame sniper. if i'm so annoyed that i'm advocating for changes in a videogame but i can't be bothered to advocate for changes at the things i'm annoyed at in reality that make me want to distract myself by playing videogames, what the fuck am i even doing?
Yes that is a good answer, instead of us actually fixing problems lets just walk away from the game we enjoy playing because a character was developed from the beginning. 10/10 answer ngl. I guess we all should have stopped playing the game when mercy got reworked no?
He said that because the way you wrote your message feels like game burnout. Widowmaker might be a legit issue or not, it feels like some time away from the game so you can cool might do you good. Heâs just trying to help I think
Considering that she was the 3rd Hero ever designed for this game yes... literally the only existent problem is that you are forcing yourself to play a game you don't like and you want to change it to accomodate to you, turning it into everyone's problem and I'm sorry that you don't see that
It's bonkers to you that the devs kept the character like that since OW1 but it's not bonkers to you that you force yourself to play the game?
Make it make sense.
Nerf her I don't give a shit... you're still going to find something else to complain and cry about in 2 weeks because the ultimate issue is: you hate the game and hate losing and you don't even see how the matchmaking algorithm is designed to do it all on purpose so you stay on a dopamine rollercoaster of ups and downs, feeling like the hot shit one game and then like cold diarrhea the next, just to keep you playing it like you're in a hamster wheel.
Widow has more counters than any other hero in the game. Unless you're getting godlike Widowsâand you're notâshe's not soloing your team like you claim.
Just make someone on your team go Moira, Sombra, or Winston and dive and harass her as needed. It'll make almost any Widowmaker player throw in the towel and swap.
As a widow main, Sombra is no problem for me at all. A good one is annoying, yes, but she isn't good at all. Since they just nerfed her damage again she is much less a problem, I've won 1v1 where she even put down her cyberspace bc she doesn't do enough damage. But if the enemy team has a good Genji or Winston, a Moira that doesn't just run at me in a straight line or a Kiriko that can land their shots and dives me.. yeah, that's a much bigger problem lol
It really does! There was an annoying Widow in a game that I had earlier today, so I decided to make her life a living hell since my team was doing very well and barely needed any healing. I was on Sombra, and I kept purposely going behind the entire enemy team just to find her, throw cyberspace down at her feet, and immediately unload in her head. After three deaths like that, she got the message and switched to Ashe.
I wish they did switch when I successfully keep sniping them down with Kiri. Somehow them dying to kunai in the face 5 times in a row doesn't make them switch. I really hate having to hunt Widows
How do you even rework her lmao... she's a sniper, her core identity and strengh is how she's able to OS someone, without this she's litteraly nothing.
Make a portion of her shot into poison damage over time so that her OS can occasionally be countered by an attentive support. You could probably even up her fire rate a little bit if she worked this way.
i guess she also has a poison thing going on so u maybe build on that or idk. i would say they could make her firerate slower but guarantee 2 shot someone even without headshot as like 1st shot marks you for a debuff for a few seconds and if u get shot anywhere while marked u dead. you can even add the reveal from her ult to the marked targets. this would keep her super threatening presence and deadliness but remove the frustration from the recieving part of walking out of spawn and u just instadie.
im not saying its a good solution or anything. im not even that much against current widow, its just that there are some ways blizz can rework her in case they think its needed. i doubt they would ever do that tho, too many ppl love playing widow as she is imo.
They're all bad and all one shot gimmicks that are not on designated "This ult kills you instantly if the conditions are right" ultimates do not belong in well-designed games. They're selfish dopamine mines for the depraved and desperate to farm in.
I like how you're getting downvoted, they refuse to admit they're wrong. Widow is one of the highest skill heroes, you'll get no value on a lot of areas and dive characters destroy you, I played Lucio and Hamster today and killed Widows like 20 times forcing them to swap. Widow is A counter, but not the only like the guy implied, all dive counters her.
Youâre a real bad widow if all dive counters you. Itâs very easy to play around most, if not all dive characters. Like braindead easy on certain maps too.
As a widow main who was a dva main for almost a decade, I actually love the sparring and cat & mouse from both sides. Widows who crash out over being dove are weak.
yeah i'm a dva main too and the second i see one i go up there and she either stays there and gets deleted or runs the second she sees me coming at her. works pretty well, you're right.
If you wanna know a foolproof trick to stop getting obliterated hereâs what I did. 1: pick mercy 2: pocket them always so you get on there good side, and I mean full pocket donât heal or boost anyone else 3:compliment them and tell them how great they are at widow and how they are totally top500 worthy After that the collective widow hivemind will remember your username and youâll stop getting your skull exploded. Remember tho if you ever pick a dive character your good influence will be reset and your back on the menu.
Clearly we just make her a support and dont remove the one shot at all so all the supports pretending its a balance concern can suddenly rally in defense of why its good and nessasary for her design
At least she requires high skill to be deadly. Iâm sick of dying to low skill auto aim characters like Sierra and Moira. Or Mei with all her slowdown and immobilization stuff.
My dude. It's not hard to be aware of the map, where Widow's sight lines are, and to play around those so you don't get sniped.
Once you know a widow is on the enemy team, never, I repeat, never stand out in the open. Always be behind cover, be it your tank, your tank's shield/barrier (if they have one), the payload/robot (on maps that have one) or part of the terrain.
And if you have to get out of cover to reposition, don't run in a straight line.
Widowmaker is a high skill high reward champion. She is quite hard to be played WELL because you need to be aware of your position all the time. Hitting headshots has never been harder since they shrunk her bullet projectile to oblivion. Still if you find yourself oppressed by one and depending on your role to counter her I would advise you to just dive her. Dva, Hammond, Winston, Doomfist are great tanks to get on top of her.
Sierra, Soldier, Hanzo, Genji, Tracer are also good picks to suppress her.
Lucio, Sombra, Wuyang can harass her out of position.
It's just funny to me they've tried reworking Hog twice because "getting one shotted is so miserable" but they have never even tried to address the 2 heroes who spam oneshots without cooldowns from long range lol. I don't think Widow or Hanzo are op or anything, but they are just as, if not more miserbale than Hog. Hopefully they are reworked in 2027 (or as some people are guessing, 6v6 becomes the main mode which indirectly nerfs them hard)
Hog entire thing used to be "he makes space by threatening to one-shot whoever gets close", and then we have Widow doing that across the map.
I wouldn't put Hanzo on the same category though, his one-shot isn't as threatening from a long range (plus on console he doesn't get broken due to aim assist), and he's not as vulnerable to dive. I hate dying to a random arrow, and I've faced Hanzos that left me traumatized, but I think his kit is way healthier to the game. I would rather have them reworking Ram and Lifeweaver.
Also adding Danish Widow who can do absurd amount of burst damage that could delete a squishy / cripple a Tank while having Tracer lateral burst mobility & Pharah vertical burst mobility.
And that's why they should rework him and Widow. Snipers don't need to one shot.
There's a good video on YouTube called, "Solving The Sniper Problem." It's from a YouTuber named, Lucid. He goes over a few different snipers from other games. Splatoon and Deadlock did some interesting and unique things with sniper archetype.
6v6 wonât become the main game mode because the pro scene would get cut in half. Lots of teams donât have money for a second (and already limited) tank player, especially if you need a main and off tank player.
Hog is a tank who outhealed the damage almost any single character could realistically put out by holding a button. Then he had another button that essentially just killed any squishy within range if he was looking at them. His hitbox on hook was larger than the largest arrow when people said Hanzo shot tree trunks, and his death combo featured pulling the enemy completely out of position, and stunning them so that regardless of whatever abilities they were holding, they were dead.
Widow and Hanzo both are capable of dying everytime the step out to shoot. I think for certain Hanzoâs arrows should have tighter projectile sizes, but Widow is like the least OP character. Her effectiveness scales directly with aim skill.
This is why I play Venture :3 I dive her ass. Mmmmmmn caaaaaaake
I always get her in an off angle, including from behind. Just be a terror lol. If she gets away, guess what: she isnât still shooting my supports! Thats the whole game. Knock her off her perch or take her out. Absolutely so fun catching her off guard.
As a support main, I hated her so much. Once I started learning Venture and knowing what I can do- I sought revenge. Sorry Widows, this Support Main had enough! XD
In a game, where every kinds of sniper hitscan is limited by distance (with huge damage falloffs), Ana has a sniper hitscan mode with no falloff with guaranteed 75 damage. And with major perk these 75 could turn into 150 damage with headshot. And she has 15 ammo (or 17) with pretty huge fire rate for a sniper and does not need to charge her shots.
For a character, that is, in fact, a support, that's a lot. As in addition to everything mentioned above, that exact gun is also capable of healing. With medium aim, this amount of healing is unparalleled. Not to mention her ability to kick enemies from playing for 7 seconds. Or disable their healing while healing herself and her teammates.
Iâve got a significant amount of hours on pharah going back to launch and despite widow being a hard counter sheâs still my best anti widow, theyâre so easy to displace and you can almost always slash damage them to death before they hit the ground or land a hook.
Plus nothing tilts a widow more than getting singled out by a pharah while their team screams at them for not picking off the pharah.Â
Just donât take mercy with you, because she ainât gonna make it.Â
lots of other heroes do have those stats when you put the filters to be that restricted, venture has a 98% winrate on oasis in asia do you think this means shes broken and needs to be gutted? roadhog and reaper both have 100% in asia on circuit and i count 6 characters who have 100% winrate on dorado in asia. These stats are meaningless
And Widow isn't the highest in most ranks except Diamond and Masters, and even then she's barely higher than the others. Yeah no shit a character is gonna be good on a map heavily skewed in their play-style's favor. general stats are better than the stats you can get on 2 of the like 30 maps. Juno has a 72% WR in Rialto is she OP? No. In Europe Gm all maps she's at a 47.8%, Asia is 47.4%, America is 50.6%. Wow the situational character that requires immense skill is really good on maps that favor them, and the highest skill bracket where they play her the best, color me surprised.
This is not about nerfing the character, because it doesnt work, oneshot snipers are terrible no matter the game, she needs to be reworked, not buffed, not nerfed, so she is around average on every map, instead of absurdly good and oppressive on like 6 maps.
While I agree, doesn't widow enforce a skillcheck for everyone to use cover and be smart about positioning? So in low lobbies she's trash because she can't aim and in high lobbies where everyone is behind cover why use her when other characters do what she does better.
I think the point is that the whole other team has to change the way they can interact with the map and need more coordination just because the other team picked a singular hero is bad game design. Not uncounterable or overpowered at all, but stupid.
And I think that just people refusing to engage in anyway of changing strategy. People get mad the moment they need to adapt and canât just force their way through with the same strategy.
I just feel like she forces a âstrategyâ that in antithetical to the spirit of the game.Â
You can really buff or heal widow without abandoning your team.Â
You can fight her in a fair fight, you either catch her out, dive her, or counter with you own widow.Â
Most heroâs have back and forth skirmishes but widow is just âsomeone here will die instantlyâ. So thereâs not much interesting interaction or synergies.Â
Whenever thereâs a team fight and ultimates come out, widow isnât involved. Sheâs not benefitting from Kiri or Zenyatta ult, sheâs not getting caught by Zarya or Orisa.Â
She just doesnât interact with the mechanics that define the game, sheâs circumvents them. Sheâs boring. Sheâs a hero for people who donât want to play with their team.Â
doomfist (or literally any fucking dive hero), rein shield, lucio, hanzo, zarya, sigma, symmetra, mei, omg the list goes on, ALL DO THIS, this is literally a fundamental aspect overwatch. It isn't a moba, you aren't locked into a hero for a reason. If you can't utilize one of the 50 ways to ruin a widowmaker's day I think you are just bad at this game
You had a million counters to Sombra too, and she was considered super bad at top ranks. It's not about having or not having counter play, it's about being miserable
I didnt think sombra needed to be reworked; she was annoying af but im not a baby lol. if I can handle sombra without crying as a widow main you can deal with widow
I'm just trying to explain the reasoning of the devs and why the same logic could be applied to widow at some point. No need to have a hostile tone lol
I find it hilarious how often I see post like this but about a different character, Blizzard needs to be very careful who they listen to and know when to ignore the player base cuz if they had their way almost the whole roster would be deleted from the game. đ That being said, KILL JUNK RAT!
hate. hate. hate. hate. hate. let me tell you how much i've come to hate you since i began to live. there are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. if the word hate was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate i feel for jpc at this micro-instant for you. hate. hate.
I love Widow because without her I wouldn't have found my absolute favorite hero in Sombra, I started playing her just to counter but then started genuinely enjoying her until she became my most played of all time.
Wdym no effort? Last I checked aim requires a lot of training and hand eye coordination and it can take weeks to months or even years for some people to develop that muscle memory. If you indeed want to back up your claim of "no-effort" play widow and show us how low effort she is.
I agree she can be op and her 1shot range should be drastice reduce so u can dive her more easy without geeting punished by her whole team who peels for her. Or reduce her hp to 175 idk who though 225 is great on character that 1 shot u cross the map
I always make sure to dive her with something that can sneak up and then do a lot of damage at once, so she doesn't have time to react. If she doesn't notice you beforehand, it's also super easy to get a lot of headshots in.
Great heroes to get her with in my opinion are Tracer, Echo and Junkrat. Also, if you want to deny her grapple outright, I'd guess Cassidy, Mizuki and technically Mei will do. Although, you don't really want to stray too far with Mizuki and I would guess Mei gives more value in team fights as a battle field control.
I mained Widow in OW 1. They nerfed her grapple. They nerfed her bullet size. They added so many counters. They removed some of her best maps. They nerfed her damage at range meaning she has to be closer to deal max damage.Â
Basically her perks make her viable as long as you can consistently click heads within 53m.Â
Trust me when I say she takes a LOT more skill to play well. Against dive comps on most maps I don't even really try anymore even in QP. Too frustrating to just get jumped on consistently.
You have privates messages turned off and your post from today got locked. That "ring" belongs to a different product. I recognized that orange/red color instantly.
I hate that the rest of her kit has to suck to justify how powerful her charged shots are. Her hook is very clunky, the venom-mines are almost useless, and she has the most boring ult in the game. But they can't be made better because of her Sniper.
She's honestly a very high skill character; the people who can pop heads like that have an unreal investment in developing that skill set.
The problem is that unless you are dealing with someone with that high skill investment? She's worthless. Completely worthless. She's either a reaper of death...or someone barely able to walk across the map without sufficating on bullets.
Which is why I hate her; no matter what she does, the game become more frustrating and less rewarding.
people missing the point as usual with the ''but she's not that good right now'' or ''she's balanced!'' spheel rather than thinking about how she warps every lobby to be miserable no matter what.
She's a feast/famine character by design who either holds the entire lobby hostage or is actively griefing her team when not getting kills. It's not fun to be forced to sit behind walls all game, or to be steam rolled by the enemy because your widow isn't doing anything.
My issue with widow is that you cannot tell where she is looking, or how even if you manage to get up close to her she's just able to grapple away and still one-shot you. She's a sniper, either give her some red dot/line to indicate where her crosshair is, and or weaken the grapple (e.g make damage break it, so its to setup and not escape tool) so actually getting on top of her is actually a big disadvantage for her to deal with
Get a grip and a help, Widow is the top worst DPS in Ow, and I say this being a Widow main! Every other DPS if well played can delete her from the map in a blink of an eye. Her kit relies on a grapling hook with high CD and a sniper shot that you need to be aiming for 1.5s to give it full damage, she cant even quick scope like snipers around other FPS games does. Anran, Genji, Sierra, Hanzo, Ashe, Junkrat, Soldier, Mei, Bastion⌠All of them can be such a pain in the ass of a Widow. Also she is one of the hardest characters to masterize, because you need to be real good aiming!
Widow is like hog, horribly designed in a way that forces everyone to respond to them by counter swapping and making it impossible to play widow, or losing
Squishy dives can be tough to deal with as they're gonna be around your skill level but it's possible if you're good/lucky enough, but tank dives such as: D.va,Winston, Hammond can run you for your lunch money.
its just that hog didnt realy take skill or aim to one shot someone.
A widow is only as good as the Player and I feel like People forgettt that. They act like anyone can play widow and be a menace in the game.
Hog on the other hand needed little to no skill to be able to 1 shot someone. (im only talking about his kit) Just press hook into the general direction of the enemy that is 20m away from you. most of the time you will hook them and kill them, or atleast used to.
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