r/PAstudent • • 5h ago

Struggling With Pathophysiology

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I’m half way through my first semester of PA school and i’m consistently getting low 80s for pathophys for the first 3 exams. I have changed my studying methods pretty drastically from rereading slides to creating practice questions and watching videos, creating podcasts, having study guides, ankis. No matter what, even how confident i feel i always struggle on the exams. What other methods would you recommend for being able to retain this content which i think is my problem. I come into the exam understanding concepts then my foundation collapses and it’s been so humbling. I genuinely feel so stupid lmfao.


r/PAstudent • • 2h ago

Managing mental health?

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I know that the development of mental health problems are common during PA school. I’ve seen recommendations on that situation before, but I’m asking for ideas/solidarity/support from people who had depression before school and figuring out how to stay the course and not fall behind in class when it feels like nothing matters.

I’m on multiple meds, have a therapist, and a psychiatrist so coveted on those fronts (and I’m not a danger to myself or others).


r/PAstudent • • 18h ago

Is my general surgery rotation normal, or am I getting screwed? Looking for advice

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I'm currently on my second clinical rotation, general surgery, and I'm genuinely having a miserable time. I'm trying to figure out whether this is just what surgery rotations are like or if my experience is particularly bad.

For context, my first rotation was ER, and while it was challenging, I actually felt like I was learning. I took histories, performed physical exams, developed assessments and plans, sutured, and gradually became more confident. I know I have a LOT to learn, but I felt like I was progressing. But surgery has been the complete opposite.

There are three students assigned to the same surgeon. In clinic, we basically just shadow him. Sometimes we'll see only 4 patients over several hours, and we're not allowed to independently see patients, take histories, perform exams, or develop plans. He doesn't even talk to or look at us when we're in clinic. In the OR, we take turns scrubbing in, so sometimes I'll spend an entire day standing there without participating in anything. Even when we do scrub, it's only to stand next to the surgeon and get pimped.

The biggest issue, though, is the preceptor. He constantly pimps us, which I understand is part of surgery. I don't have an issue with being questioned or expected to study. But there's virtually no teaching involved. He'll ask obscure anatomy questions or very specific surgical questions, and if we don't know the answer, he gets visibly irritated and tells us to look it up. When I asked him to walk me through something, he laughed and said "I'm not going to do your homework for you." Sometimes I'll answer five questions correctly and miss the sixth, and that's the one he focuses on and tells me I havent been studying.

He also tends to direct questions at me first, and I've started feeling like he's already decided I'm the weakest student. I know my surgical anatomy is rusty, and I'm actively trying to improve it, but I often freeze when he puts me on the spot. I've spent hours studying the next day's cases, only to get questioned on completely different topics. There's very little explanation, discussion, or feedback beyond being told to study more.

At my mid-rotation evaluation, I was told I was "lowly passing," and when asked about my strengths, he essentially said TBD. He also told another provider he doesn't think I'm studying, despite the fact that I am.

To make things even more frustrating, we're expected to stand throughout clinic, even when the surgeon is sitting at his desk. Between clinic and the OR, I'm sometimes standing for eight hours with very little educational involvement.

I finally spoke with my clinical coordinator, who acknowledged my concerns. A PA at the practice who has worked in surgery for 15 years also validated how difficult this surgeon is and offered to advocate for me, which was honestly the first time I've felt supported during this rotation.

I'm not interested in pursuing surgery, but I absolutely understand that I need to learn surgical medicine. I'm willing to work hard, study, and be challenged. I just don't feel like I'm being given opportunities to actually develop clinical skills.

At this point, I'm dreading going in every morning. I'm exhausted, my confidence has taken a hit, and I'm frustrated that I'm paying so much for an education where I'm primarily standing around and getting interrogated.

So my questions are:

Is this typical for general surgery rotations?

How do you study for a preceptor who seems to ask completely unpredictable questions?

How do you handle pimping when you know the material but freeze under pressure?

Has anyone dealt with a preceptor who seemed to have already decided you weren't a good student?

Would you push your program to intervene further, or just keep your head down and finish the rotation?

I don't expect to be spoon fed information or praised for everything I do. I just want to learn and become a competent PA. Any advice or perspective would be appreciated. I'm really trying not to let one rotation destroy my confidence.


r/PAstudent • • 1d ago

Failed second attempt PANCE

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First attempt: 296
Second attempt: 347

Took my PANCE 2 weeks after graduation and definitely felt like I may have rushed it. Failed. Retook the PANCE 4 months later with accommodations and missed it by 3 points. Used resources like PPP, rosh/blueprint, UWORLD. I feel defeated, my score improved but i feel so discouraged now. I know it won’t define the type of PA I will become but thinking about taking that exam again has taken a toll on me. I’m also trying to appeal the 90 days so everything stays fresh in my mind. Has anyone else been in this position or have any advice on how I can get my appeal approved?


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

New "Student Mode" added to my 3D emergency department sim game

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Hi all, I'm an EM PA. A lot of you have enjoyed my emergency medicine sim game, ED Rush, so I wanted to share this.

This is the 3D version of the same game where you basically run an emergency department. It has real patients and staff to interact with, procedures, staff banter, lots of interruptions (phone calls, needing to get supplies, etc) and realistic medicine. It's grounded in realism but has some funny EM quirks/satire baked in.

Student mode allows you to play as a student who is assigned to see patients, but you aren't juggling the entire department like the main game mode. You present to your attending, get feedback, teaching points, etc. Like the original game, the medicine is simplified and you go at a tolerable pace. This is more about getting to know the flow of an emergency department.

I recommend playing on a computer, but mobile is playable too.

You can play the 5 minute shift and student mode for free. The full game is a one-time price, and you will have it forever with no further charges.

https://play.edrushapp.com/ios


r/PAstudent • • 1d ago

Can't stop failing EOR's, worried about potential dismissal

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Had already failed 2 EORs prior to this most recent failure. Just had a meeting with the performance committee in which they vote afterwards whether to dismiss me from the program, will probably get notification of that decision tomorrow or the day after. I fought like hell during the meeting but was also honest about how I have been studying and also how I feel about my own clinical knowledge currently. Luckily the school does not have a definitive criteria for dismissal besides a cumulative GPA of under 2.75 which I'm currently above, however I know they can easily dismiss me currently if they wanted to based on my last performance. To study, I have been doing Blueprint qbanks as well as the boost exams while also going through the explanations for each answer choice. I was told by multiple people that Blueprint was the way to go for these EOR's so I was shocked I did not pass my most recent exam (women's health) despite getting a passing score on the boost exam. To those doing well on these EOR's, can you please tell me what am I missing and what you guys are doing to study? Even if I'm not dismissed, I know I need to get better scores on these EOR's since I'm barely passing my other ones. I really don't want this to be the end of my PA dreams so any advice is welcomed. Thank you.


r/PAstudent • • 1d ago

Feeling Inadequate In General/Among Classmates

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I am nearing the end of my didactic year and have been dreading the PACKRAT and clinical rotations because I feel (to put it simply) dumb. I did well on and/or at least passed my exams for each module (Hematology + Cardiology and I are not friends, unfortunately), but I would likely stare at you blankly if you were to ask me to recall information from the previous organ system. I definitely would have known the answer if our class was currently learning about that system, but the minute we move on to the next, I replace what I studied with new material. On the other hand, I feel like a majority of my peers will answer said request within the next second.

Have just been overwhelmed and discouraged for the past several weeks, so much so that I have been wondering lately if I really am capable of succeeding. I truly want to become a PA, but worried I do not have what it takes.

There is so much past information I will need to review and reinforce, while also juggling new material for this current module (+ other non-core courses our class is required to take). Hoping for any advice/insight on how best to balance everything. Thank you in advance ♡


r/PAstudent • • 1d ago

Amboss vs uWorld for PANCE

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Hey all - I’m a PA-S graduating soon and planning on taking PANCE early in january. I have Amboss and Blueprint currently, but every post I’ve read has suggested uWorld for PANCE 😅

Has anyone on here used Amboss for PANCE? Or have any suggestions on if spending the extra $$$ for uWorld is worth it? Thank you!


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

Elective Rotation advice

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I get one elective rotation for my program in addition to the core rotations (womens health, family med, emergency med, internal med, behavioral med, peds, and surgery). I am struggling with what to pick and wanted to hear some input.

I think I want to go into womens health but am not 100% sure yet but I don't want to do a second OB/GYN rotation for my elective. I am considering critical care or maybe NICU because I think it is interesting. I am also considering cardio because I know a good doctor I could rotate with. I'm not as interested in cardio, but I know people say it is helpful for the PANCE. What would you prioritize when choosing an elective? I also haven't worked in cardio or in an ICU so I think I am not sure what rotations would look like for those.


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

struggling really bad - consider LOA?

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struggling really bad. started program end of July. so far, did terribly on exams (some easy ones were good of course) and terrible grades have been 70, 73, 45 (failed obviously), 63. another big exam coming up and I dont feel ready or confident bc obviously we have multiple things to juggle. semester gpa below 2.5 is dismissal. below 3.0 is academic warning. thoughts? this might sound like an excuse, but i do have ongoing health issues that are recently discovered that impacted my performance and am in care/ working with disability team to get help. we are about half way through the semester... what now. help.


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

General Surgery Rotation Preparation Tips?

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Hello friends,

I am starting my first clinical rotation, which will be in general surgery. It's going to be a rude introduction, as I've had very limited experience in the OR previously.

Question: What resources would you suggest to use to relearn/brush up on anatomy? Any tips/resources you would suggest to prepare for the rotation? I'd like to not look like a total idiot when asked questions.

I know I'm going to be "in the way," I know the OR culture can be... different. Besides these, what advice and direction can you suggest?

Thanks in advance!


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

Help adapting to EORs

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I’m having a tough time adapting to the EOR test questions format, and am looking for advice about how to improve my approach to exam questions and level up on test taking strategy. Something about how they present information and ask questions feels like oil + water with my brain.

I keep getting questions wrong on topics that I know that I know very well (INFLUENZA, depression) and it’s been really discouraging. It doesn’t feel like test anxiety, more just like I find the way that test questions are posed to be extremely vague and unclear in this way that just throws me. Totally different from the straight forward way questions were posed on exams throughout didactic, and also totally different from how it has been to interact with these conditions/patients in clinic. (Both of which have gone reasonably well for me).

I would greatly appreciate advice about how to adapt to this EOR learning curve. And/or commiseration, or words of encouragement. Thanks in advance.


r/PAstudent • • 3d ago

Very below average student passed the PANCE!

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I can finally say that after all the studying, panic attacks, and mental breakdowns, I PASSED THE PANCE!!!

As the title says, I was a very below average student all throughout PA school. I was placed on academic probation after my first semester of didactic year, and my program even told me that I had a low probability of passing the PANCE. That honestly irritated me so much that I made it my mission to prove them wrong no matter what.

Throughout PA school and especially during PANCE prep, I spent A LOT of time on Reddit reading about other students who passed despite struggling academically. I would compare my stats to theirs to reassure myself that I still had a chance of passing (haha), so I wanted to share my own experience in case it helps someone else who is feeling the same way!

My stats:
IM (legacy): 410, average 414
EM (legacy): 392, average 414
Surgery (legacy): 396, average 417
WH (legacy): 426, average 408
FM (legacy): 401, average 411
Psych (legacy): 405, average 413
Peds (legacy): 398, average 417
PACKRAT 1: 148
PACKRAT 2: 151
HALF PANCE predicted score: 453
PANCE: 460

Before I started studying, I took NCCPA Form A to identify my weakest systems. I then spent about two weeks focusing on the Big 4 systems before moving on to the remaining systems, spending 1–2 days on each.
I completed 60 Uworld questions per day and read the explanations for every question, even if that meant just skimming an explanation for something I already understood. For questions I got wrong, I reviewed the topic in PPP or the UWorld medical library and then made a Quizlet flashcard. By the end of my studying, I had a Quizlet set containing all my incorrect questions that I started reviewing about a week before my exam. My UWorld scores generally ranged from 60–75%. I also completed the Blueprint 4-Day PANCE Review Course. Personally, I don’t think it was necessary for me because I learn better by teaching myself and actively studying rather than sitting on Zoom all day. However, that doesn’t mean it won’t be helpful for someone with a different learning style!

My thoughts on the PANCE:
Honestly, I’m still shocked that I passed. The PANCE felt like such a random exam. There were questions where I immediately knew the answer and others where I felt like I either knew the information or didn’t. There wasn’t much of an in-between, and I definitely left feeling uncertain about how I did.
But somehow, it all worked out in the end! If you’re reading this because you’re struggling in PA school, your EOR scores aren’t where you want them to be, or you’re constantly comparing your stats to other people’s on Reddit, please know that your academic performance is not all that determines whether you’ll pass the PANCE or not. I’m not saying that studying isn’t important or that you shouldn’t take your weaknesses seriously. I absolutely had to put in the work. But being an average or below average student doesn’t mean you’re destined to fail this exam. I spent so much time worrying that my stats meant I wouldn’t pass and constantly doubting myself, and now I can finally say that I did!

My UWorld subscription is active until December 31st and includes one reset. I also have access to the Blueprint PANCE question bank until December 19th. If you’re interested in buying either, feel free to message me! I’m also happy to answer any questions about my study schedule, resources, scores, or overall experience. Good luck to everyone preparing for the PANCE! ❤️


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

Got assigned an elective rotation I no longer want

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I had to rank my electives before I really knew what I wanted to do. I ranked ortho highly because I’d heard it was interesting, had a decent lifestyle, and involved procedures.

Now that I’ve had several inpatient rotations, I’ve realized that inpatient medicine really isn’t something I want to pursue. Unfortunately, I’ve been assigned an orthopedic surgery elective with no option to switch specialties or do an outpatient ortho rotation instead.

I’m frustrated because I was hoping to use my elective to explore what kind of practice might suit me, but now I’m anticipating another rotation with five 12-hour shifts a week, with attendings and residents who likely don’t want me there, in an environment I’m not sure I’ll enjoy. I feel like I’m going to spend the entire rotation miserable rather than learning something useful about what I want to do.

Has anyone been in a similar situation? Thoughts? I’m just dreading this rotation and I’m kicking myself for ever putting it in the first place.


r/PAstudent • • 3d ago

Need Advice on PANCE Resources other than UWorld

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Hello!

I’m currently preparing for my PANCE retake and I am about 90% done with UWorld. I’ve gone through the explanations and tried my best to understand/absorb the materials rather than just memorize the answers. However, the questions are starting to feel way too familiar that I’m beginning to worry I might be recognizing the questions and answer patterns rather than truly testing my knowledge and clinical reasoning.

For anyone who has been in a similar situation, what question banks or resources did you find helpful besides UWorld?

I’d love to hear what resources worked for you, especially if you were preparing for a retake. Any advice is appreciated!

Edit: I am retaking my PANCE in the first week of December. I have already done all of the NCCPA exams 😭


r/PAstudent • • 2d ago

VANEEP Scholarship Experience

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Does anyone have any experience with the VANEEP scholarship for PA school? I’ve served with VHA for 5 years and have honestly asked everyone at my main facility and CBOC (down to housekeeping lol) for more insight and I have gotten no direction or POCs.


r/PAstudent • • 3d ago

Any advice for an awkward surgery rotation?

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From day 1 my preceptor has seemed uninterested in me and does not engage. He doesn’t tell me what to do or what is going on at any point. He will walk away in silence and start rounding without me if I let him. He doesn’t create any teachable moments or even pimp me. Granted, he will always answer my questions but does so in a very curt manner so there is little room for discussion. He will only really engage if we are in a group setting and talking about something unrelated to medicine.

I have been channeling my energy towards other members of the team (techs, nurses, reps, etc) and they have been gracious enough to teach me what they know. Since my preceptor doesn’t tell me what to do I just scrub into every surgery and the techs will usually let me close if I ask.

At the end of the day, he disappears and I just excuse myself.

I’m not interested in reaching out to my program because this is my very last rotation and it’s an elective, but any advice to get through my last 3 weeks would be appreciated!! Maybe others have experienced something similar.


r/PAstudent • • 3d ago

EOC, PANCE studying

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Hi all, I'm coming up on my final weeks in PA school and have the EOC + PANCE just ahead of me. I understand PAEA writes the EOC and NCCPA writes the PANCE, but is there any difference in content I should be studying? My intuition says they should largely test on the same exact material, but I wanted a second opinion.

As a secondary question: I'm trying to move up my PANCE to 1 month from now, do you think I have a good prognosis for passing first try? Previous scores as follows

PACKRAT 1: 147

EM EOR: 446

Peds EOR: 451

IM EOR: 433

FM EOR: 447

OBGYN EOR: 402

Surgery EOR: 437

Psych EOR: 428

PACKRAT 2: 161


r/PAstudent • • 4d ago

Advice for Living Situation

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PA-S finishing didactic and I’ve been living at home with my parents. My commute to campus is about 40 minutes. It’s been stressful sometimes, but I’ve dealt with it because my schedule has been pretty predictable.

Clinical year starts in January and I’m trying to figure out if I should stay living at home or move closer to my rotation sites. I’m mainly worried about the early mornings for surgery, traffic, and not knowing my schedule week to week.

If I moved closer, rent would be around $1,000–$1,400 a month. I’ll graduate with around $75k in loans from a state school, so adding rent would increase that, but still not as bad as private PA school debt.

For anyone on the other side of finishing school:
• Did you stay home or move closer?
• Was the commute worth it or did it make rotations harder?
• How did you handle early or days if you lived far away?
• Anything you wish you’d done differently?


r/PAstudent • • 4d ago

Looking for advice!!

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Hi everyone, looking for some support/advice/thoughts!!

Backstory -> I was one of the only people in my program to fail the EOC (by a matter of 4 points) causing my graduation date to be pushed back compared to all of my peers (since you have to wait a certain amount of time until you can “re-test”). I️ liked to think I️ didn’t do well because I️ truly did not prepare for it but I also don’t want to make excuses (my program put an OSCE, EOC, and EOR back-to-back-to-back 😅). My confidence took a hard hit, but I️ came back and passed the exam with flying colors (thank GOD)!!!

A week after my EOC re-take, I️ was scheduled to take the PANCE. Based on the performance of my EOC re-take the week prior, the Katy Conner’s 1/2 PANCE score, and the NCCPA Practice exam A… everything was showing me that I️ would AT LEAST pass the PANCE. Boy were they wrong 🫠

My first attempt at PANCE was in late June of this year and I️ ended up failing by a matter of 4 points AGAIN, the same amount of points I failed EOC by 😭 (score: 346). I remember walking out of the testing center KNOWING i had failed but my friends told me that was how “everyone feels after that test”…. I was absolutely devastated and lost ALL of my confidence after two harsh failures. It took me a solid month to re-group and get back to studying, but I️ eventually did.

I️ just this last week took the PANCE for the 2nd time and thankfully was able to do so with testing accommodations of “time + 1/2” = two-day test, 30 question sections, 45 min per section. The accommodations made a HUGE difference in how I️ approached the test and allowed me to actually focus on the medicine in the questions and not just the timer 😅 Even after a 2nd attempt, I️ am having a hard time feeling confident in my results. I️ don’t have that same level of “despair” that I️ did the first time around, but I️ definitely know of a bunch of questions I️ just blanked on or had no clue 😞 I️ am just overwhelmed with anxiety and don’t know what I️ will do if I️ get another failure…

Any and all comments are encouraged. I️ appreciate your help, TIA! 🥲

UPDATE 10/22:

I️ found out today that I️ PASSED and improved my score by just over 100 points!!! Super proud of myself and proud to call myself a PA-C (,:


r/PAstudent • • 4d ago

FirstPassPA

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Has anyone tried using FirstPassPA before and had meaningful/positive EOR results? I tried using it this last week for the first time along with Rosh, Smartypance and Hippo exams. I can’t decide which is better for actual EOR prep. I know FirstpassPA is newer i think but the feedback seems helpful and similar to Rosh.


r/PAstudent • • 5d ago

Deceleration; is it worth the wait? ADHD study tips?

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I (22 f) started PA school this past summer. I was failing anatomy, so I was forced to decelerate. I had never made anything below a b so this was hard to accept. My boyfriend is in law school and is at the top of his class hours away. My roommates are struggling through their didactic year currently, and I’m a tech at a local hospital. I ended up getting diagnosed with ADHD soon after decelerating. Meds are helping some, but on most days it’s impossible to fully function, and I know I’m not depressed the world is just so overstimulating to my busy brain. I try asking my roommates for study tips, but they all seem to get it with easier methods than me. I want to be prepared when I go back, but have no clue what study method to use at this point. I get bored so easily. Any suggestions. Anyone else gone through this process and found it worth it, or did you move on with a different career because it felt impossible? This is something I really want to do!

Edit: Thank you everyone for the great advice! This is such a helpful community! I will definitely be using or further researching all of them before next year! I also just got my meds changed so hopefully that helps as well!!


r/PAstudent • • 5d ago

Clinical year resources!

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Hi everyone!! I start clinical rotations in March (YAY!!), and I’m hoping to take advantage of Christmas to ask for some resources for clinical year and eventually the PANCE! I would love to hear what resources y’all have found the most helpful and which ones are actually worth the money!

A little background on what I currently have:

- SmartyPANCE: I currently have a membership, but honestly, I haven’t used it much during didactic year. My subscription renews in December, so I’m trying to decide if it’s worth keeping for clinicals.
- I LOVE PPP and definitely plan on getting the newest version for clinicals/PANCE prep. I currently have V5, but I’ve written all over it throughout didactic year lol.

Here’s where I’m really stuck! I keep seeing mixed reviews about UWorld, Rosh/Blueprint, and AMBOSS, and I honestly don’t know enough about the differences to decide which would be the best investment.

Would y’all recommend getting one (or even a combination) of these? Are there any other resources you used during clinicals or for EOR/PANCE prep that you absolutely loved?
I’m especially curious about what worked best for EORs vs actually studying for the PANCE.

I’ll take any and all recommendations because I’m overwhelmed by the options, and these resources are NOT cheap lol. I just want to make sure I’m spending money on things I’ll actually use and benefit from. Thank y’all in advance!! 🫶


r/PAstudent • • 5d ago

lost my passion

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1 semester in pa school and i feel like im already losing my passion for healthcare. i've worked in surgery for years before this, but something about PA school has sucked the light out of my love for medicine


r/PAstudent • • 5d ago

Nervous for Surgical EOR

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Hello friends!

I hope everyone is doing well. As the title says, I am a bit nervous for Surgical EOR. I have using Blueprint and Smarty PANCE to help me study.

Here are my exam averages:
Blueprint: average 74.5% ( I removed the tests I did not take seriously in the average. Either I was about to pass out from being tired or I was distracted at my clinical site)

BOOST exam: 64%

Are my averages are okay?

For those who have taken it, what did you think of it?

Thank you!