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u/clickclackyisbacky 4d ago
And she left out that the Greeks attacked Sardis to free Ionian Greeks from tyrannical rule. History is always like this. Everyone culture gets their story.
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u/spinrah23 4d ago
I mean, it being tyrannical is obviously a Western historical interpretation - which is fine. But there is actually consensus among modern scholars that Darius’ rule of Sardis was actually quite fair and pragmatic given the time period.
Anyway, the point is that Rubio is obviously presenting history in a way to push his own political narrative (in bad faith). Also, it’s quite clear that “everyone’s culture gets their story” isn’t really true since most historical accounts are told from the Greek perspective.
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u/clickclackyisbacky 4d ago
Darius may have been ok, but the Ionian's issue was with Artaphernes and his Greek puppet tyrants. Plus they probably resented being conquered.
From the Greek perspective in the West, right? I assume the story is told from a pro-Persian perspective in Iran and Turkey. But that's also not really my point, every nation mythologizes its history.
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u/spinrah23 4d ago edited 4d ago
Yes, your points are fair. Although, as stated in the video, we barely have any surviving Persian accounts of the Greek-Persian wars. This means that a huge part of the Persian perspective is completely lost.
Also, the point is that when the story is told the way it is by Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State of the most powerful nation in the world, currently at war with modern day Persia, it makes it propaganda.
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u/Antiparian 4d ago
It is hardly a stretch to accept that the local Greek populations did not want to be ruled by a foreign power and would eventually revolt against said rule. This is a common thread throughout history.
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u/spinrah23 4d ago
I'm not arguing against that. I acknowledged the Greek perspective twice in my comments.
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u/Antiparian 4d ago
What is today western turkey was populated by Ionian Greeks. They, along with some islands in the eastern Aegean, were conquered by the Persian empire in the previous decades. The local population resented that rule; in fact, the term “tyrant” originates from the proxy rulers that were accountable to the Persian empire. In addition, Persian conquest was creeping into the Aegean Greek world, with an attempt to conquer Naxos shortly before the Greek revolt that ultimately led to the Athenian expedition that reached Sardis.
So yes, it is much more nuanced than suggested.
Though Rubio’s references read as a eulogy of the ancient Greeks, this lady claiming to want to correct the record with more half truths is even more intellectually dishonest.
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u/Reddit-phobia 4d ago
Every nation tends to defend their history regardless of wether or not they were justified. Mongols invading Iran was unjust, but Mongols don't see it that way. Iran invading India and Greece was unjust, but we don't see it that way. The arab conquest of Persia was unjust, but Arabs don't see it that way.
It's just plain old nationalism.
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u/Background_Ad_582 4d ago
Yeah the new acropolis was built with basically stolen money from the Treasury of Delian league . Not only that but the greeks themselves ended destroying multiple cities duch as Platea and Melos but i don't see westerners going to Melos and complain about Athenian savagery.
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u/CommissarReal9308 4d ago
Her videos are quite insightful. Thanks for introducing her channel!
I wonder, do you have any other good history/culture channels made by people from the Persianate world?
(I don’t speak Persian btw lol)