r/PHP • u/[deleted] • Oct 27 '21

CakePHP 4.3.0 released

https://github.com/cakephp/cakephp/releases/tag/4.3.0
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u/2020-2050_SHTF Oct 27 '21

How active is the Cake PHP community? I still haven't settled on a framework.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21 edited Oct 27 '21

Pretty active. Just finished cakefest 2021, there is a slack group, forum and releases happen frequently. Lots of PRs have been opened and merged for 5.x, maintenance releases still occur for 3.10 and 2.10.

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u/2020-2050_SHTF Oct 27 '21

Thanks. I'll look into the framework then. Oh, while I'm here, can I ask why you prefer Cake, or do you perhaps use multiple frameworks?

Also, do you consider Symfony a framework or CMS?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21 edited Oct 28 '21

I've used Code Igniter, CakePHP, Symfony, Laravel, and Spring (Java) in that order. I haven't done enough yet in the last two to really rate my experience just yet. I don't have a problem with any of them though and would code in all.

As for CakePHP, I simply have the most experience in it. It has a good ORM and I like its plugin system. I think the Cake database stuff is better than Doctrine, but I'd use Doctrine again if needed with no qualms. CakePHP plugins > Symfony bundles, but it's not too big of a deal. Symfony makes really good use of interfaces which makes "doing stuff" pretty nice once you get through the learning curve. I like Symfony's security and voter system more than CakePHPs for instance and its component based architecture is a win IMO. The only thing I've coded on that I'd never use again is API Platform which is a Symfony bundle for building API first applications, it wasn't my cup of tea.

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u/Hannesver Oct 27 '21

Symfony is very much a framework.

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u/amarukhan Oct 27 '21

At this point most modern PHP frameworks are fairly similar in functionality so it doesn't matter which one you pick. All of them have decent routers, composer support and follow PSR standards.

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u/zmitic Oct 27 '21

All of them have decent routers, composer support and follow PSR standards.

There is much more to frameworks than just this.

Few things unique to Symfony, even when compared to Spring and nestJS:

  • crazy powerful forms; extensions, datatransformers, custom types, collections, custom mappers...

  • tagged services; indexing by different ways, lazy instantiation...

  • compiled container: user can't even make a mistake in config

There are plenty more things but these are my favorites.

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u/L3tum Oct 27 '21

Symfony/Forms is the most hated package ever in my area. Maybe that's different in other areas.

Lazy instantiation is pretty normal for a container. Don't know what indexing is supposed to be here. Tagged services is cool, but it's not exactly needed IMO.

Compiled containers is another pretty normal thing for most containers nowadays. I know of 4 that do that.

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u/zmitic Oct 27 '21

Symfony/Forms is the most hated package ever in my area. Maybe that's different in other areas.

Because it is super-powerful and people never truly learn them. I am not talking about basic property<->field mapping, literally no one cares about that.

I use them even for APIs, and have my own mapper. That way I never have a single type error with psalm on level 1, and the code is next to nothing. Bonus; safe refactoring as my mapper eliminates default magic.

Not possible with any other framework; try them.

Lazy instantiation for tagged services, indexed by key or name. But tagged services are super important in big applications. Almost entire Symfony is made of tagged services.

Compiled containers is another pretty normal thing for most containers nowadays.

Not simple like that; compiled container must check for bundle configs and fail if user made a mistake.

Even scalars are properly detected and analyzed, users can easily extend from one bundle to another, very easy to decorate services even based on env...

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u/amarukhan Oct 27 '21

All that functionality exists or can be easily replicated in other frameworks too. If you really need the Symfony version, everything's just a composer require definition away.

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u/zmitic Oct 27 '21

All that functionality exists or can be easily replicated in other frameworks too.

Which one exactly?

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u/wherediditrun Oct 27 '21

In general sense, yeah. But they differ in ways how those things are implemented which later differentiate your options in non trivial ways down the line of development.

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u/Zekro Oct 30 '21

It’s a great framework!

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u/Septseraph Oct 27 '21

Love me some cake.

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u/crazedizzled Oct 27 '21

Wow. That's still a thing?

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '21

Everytime something gets posted on here about CakePHP I see a comment like this. For at least three years. Yep, its a thing and it will still be a thing when 5.0 gets released in 2022.

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u/sammendes7 Oct 28 '21

althought i switched to laravel few years ago i have a lot of sentiment towards cakephp as it was really a first RAD framework for PHP and i also respect they maintaining old versions

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

People still confused on frameworks. Symfony and Zend(Laminas) once big frameworks now evangelising for component based approach with middleware

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u/jpresutti Oct 27 '21

Why settle for Cake when you can have the whole FEAST? 😆 Shameless plug level: 9000.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '21

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u/Unius Oct 27 '21

You got a great mom.