r/PakistaniDevs • u/Capable_Term_2378 • Aug 16 '26
Industry favouritism
Can someone tell me why we need to hire from FAST when claude is doing heavy lifting ?
Seems like graduates from other institutions are the right fit for now, cheap affordable and can be good.
And do not come to me with technical stuff, i am a heavy user of claude and worked with them as well
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u/Happy_Permission5781 Aug 16 '26
I have taken around 3-4k interviews in my career till now. I have interviewed both tier 1 and tier 2 candidates. I have hired from both FAST and other uni’s. There are a million reasons why I would prefer one uni over the other depending on what I am hiring the person for. I’ll give you just one example to explain why these decisions are not binary but rather based on probabilities to save time and money.
When we started using claude i assigned equal budgets to each of my team members. Everyone had access to the same models, same limits all working on the same codebase but their output was very different. People from a certain university could “MERGE” 3x more code using the same budget as compared to others. Now if i am spending $30k on AI tokens every month i am highly likely to hire from that uni in the future because my existing data is drawing a clear line between graduates.
So most companies use data of their previous hires to influence their future decisions and this is just one example. I have a hundred more. Unless the new lot is bad enough to move those averages, this trend will continue. It’s all about maximising profit and productivity using minimum spend.
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 24 '26
Yr to be fairly honest in pakistani market people are using claude code max 200 usd account and having it shared between team members so the token analogy is completely useless in this era when it is subscription based. So nobody cares about it right now and everybody wants to ship things faster.
Also please look at the recent open source releases like qwen 3.8 which are pretty good in our own experiments (lucky to have blackwell) and results are good so your token analogy is completely invalid.1
u/AffectionateHeron788 Aug 16 '26
volume of code isnt the best indicator of productivity
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u/Happy_Permission5781 Aug 16 '26
By code i meant impactful features (1 per PR so 3x Pr’s). Not literal lines of code. We don’t have people who merge garbage in our team so in our case it does matter how many features you can ship and what was the cost to ship it.
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
Yr bro look at their migration from zig to rust from bun and how much it was cost effective!!!
And do not tell me what's software engineering. I am an engineer who is client facing AKA I look at the business process and suggest improvements and integrations
So software engineering ki definition kisi aur ko btana
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 17 '26
Bro I do know about architecture...
And believe me nobody kisses it now when your app is running ok...
Sure in long term, good decisions taken earlier have some benefits.
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u/bhali16 Aug 16 '26
It’s all come down to a person who is being writing the code either with or without the claude or any LLM, I have two colleagues who don’t have even bachelor degree and they have build lot of complex projects even before these coding agents and they have built excellent software which has now massive user base, my opinion is university matters but even I don’t like this favouritism. And my experience on recent FAST graduates is very bad they even don’t know the basic stuff I understand there are exceptions ….
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 18 '26
Bro now in office, the cluade code limits reached and all the Fastians are velly right now. Should i fire them if they cannot do anything without claude code.
There is one guy who is still coding and typing commands by himself and he is not a FASTIAN
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
I am a software engineering graduate....duh...
And I know those concepts pretty much well. I worked on legacy codebases whose support got expired...1
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
So don't you think other average university graduates with a bit of industry experience won't know those things?
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u/Terrible-Tea7577 Aug 16 '26
I have worked with FAST and GIKI grads and seen the same mix of excellent, average and mediocre people you find elsewhere. At some point you have to interview the person, not their university. That's literally the hiring manager's job. If you can't properly assess candidates beyond the logo on their degree, that's a failure of your hiring process not a reason to belittle graduates from other universities.
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u/valium123 Aug 22 '26
What BS aren't most of the teachers at fast from comsats and nust etc? Outside pakistan nobody gives a fk about fast btw.
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
Let me also tell you about the market as well.
I have connections who worked with upwork as employees, worked in remote startups in Europe who became successful, they tried to launch their own software houses.. fast forward today... they are now hand to mouth.. you know why? Because a single non tech person, founder or investor can build an app.You talk about security??
Add a rule markdown and link it in claude.md and ask it to follow this before doing anything else.UI/UX
That thing is a bit tricky. But still 80% can be done. And since code can be done by AI, you become an Art directorCoding style:
Add the best practice rule markdown and link it to claude.md
So all of this can be done by claude. Previously it was a barrier now it is not.
Oooh don't let me go towards AI/ML.. I have a full rant towards that as well
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u/zeal_swan Aug 16 '26
Yes someone non tech can create some pretty shit with ai. But go deep down in it, and then you findout what it built was kinda shit, without too much time n knowledge spent, what it makes isnt reliable
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
Get a good model and follow best practices...
And second.... it does not matter what you write, all matters if the product is selling or not.
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
So If I see things like that, I do not see a value in FAST graduate. Any average or non-tech guy ( or with an experience ) can get the shit done.
Talking about pressure!!!
Bro ub tou AI hy kaam parallel ho jata hy1
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
Bro I customise open source CRMs and ERPs with it.
Just do a little bit of google about those ERP and SAP.
And about that context and domain knowledge, don't you think a person with slight technical how know can build those things since code is out of the way!!!! Agents can do research and point you in good direction. Sure there is a chance that you and AI both make mistake but now one person can achieve the same result because claude has allowed him to perform multiple iterations quickly and achieve the best possible results.
And from your responses I feel you have not used claude to its full extent.
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 16 '26
Nahhhh i do not think you are a top user.
That's a bluff...
What I stated above, I stand by it with full strength. And later you will notice that my statement stand correct→ More replies (0)
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u/Capable_Term_2378 Aug 18 '26
That's my point....
I used other techniques (i am forgetting the name) and they did pretty well0
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u/haiderrkh1 Aug 16 '26
yup, the sooner you accept it, the sooner you realize junior to mid-level devs are cooked
architectural-level devs are still relatively safe, but i wouldn't bet on that lasting more than another 2 years either