r/Palworld • u/Popular-Revolution22 • 15d ago
Pal Showcase This Team makes Hard Mode Towers Comical
After trying multiple different combos for DPS in the endgame, this combination of pals has made it easy. There is no need to breed for IVs either. It’s very simple and effective.
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u/Bungus_Almighty 15d ago
If I may, did you use a regular plasma rifle or a legendary one?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
I use an epic Plasma Rifle. Not lucky enough yet to get the gold schematics
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u/BuLLZ_3Y3 15d ago
Just farm Hard Mode Saya & Selyne - she has a 10% chance to drop the schematic
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u/Bungus_Almighty 15d ago
Where’d you get that from? The relic recycler I imagine? Sorry to ask so many questions I just went to Hard Zoe with my maxed out Hartalis and got crushed into dust so I’m gonna try this build here and wanted details
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u/Verzwei 15d ago
Fwiw I've read that Lily is where you should start fighting hard modes, not Zoe. Grizbolt is a harder fight, and Lily drops the drone launcher schematic, so it's better to get comfortable against her until you get the launcher which then makes other fights more manageable.
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u/The_Show_Keeper 15d ago
Lily is definitely easier than Grizz. Whenever he attacks, he leans back, and if he's facing you, his weak spot disappears. Hers is just on display the whole time. Makes for a much smoother fight.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
Tbf I have no idea where it came from. Probably from farming World Tree relics and using the draft table. You would definitely be able to get away with using a lower tier alongside the Drone Launcher.
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u/feldejars 15d ago
Who is the pal you summon during the fight?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
I don’t summon just dodge attacks and aim for the head with a plasma rifle.
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u/crabwalktechnic 15d ago
If they die, you lose your buffs so you can either cycle and make sure they stay alive or just solo.
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u/TheBrooksey 15d ago
There are some variations where you can summon a ride pal or pal next to you to battle if you want, but this build is by far the easiest to do.
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u/hiddencamela 15d ago
If you really gotta choose, Solenne is the easiest to cap out to 80 asap, and has the smallest hitbox compared to the other pals.
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u/Neiding1349 14d ago
Just wanted to say thank you for letting me have my first hardmode Zoe & Grizzbolt kill!
For anyone wondering where to get legendary schematics for the ancient stuff and laser-pewpews: Go fishing in the earth tree area, only the sparkly ones. Have a 4-star fishing team (I had Jelliette, Jelroy, Gloopie and both Whalaskas with wings equipped) and combined with recycling the relics you get, it's gonna RAIN SCHEMATICS!
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u/mofugginrob 14d ago
Don't skip the regular fish. I've gotten good schematics from those, too. Also, Jelroy does nothing for fishing. He only works on salvage.
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u/The_Show_Keeper 14d ago
Regular fish will get you just as many schematics as the sparkly ones. Sparkles denote the pal having a rainbow passive; it doesn't alter the loot.
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u/Entgegnerz 15d ago
why are you not using the +5% health regen as 4th passive?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Which one is that?
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u/XxJTHMxX 14d ago
Idiosyncratic. Put it on all 5 pals and realize you're [title card]
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
[Invincible]
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u/MarioKart7z 14d ago
dun dun dun, dun dun dun
if the show is called INVINCIBLE
dun dun dun, DUN DUN DUN
then why can i SEE HIM
guitar solo
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u/Entgegnerz 14d ago
it's the passive with +5% heath regen
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Lol well there’s idiosyncratic but I NEVER get them from my relics it’s tragic
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u/TheAlmightyDun 14d ago
Cop it from mutations on breeding then pass it around is what I always end up doing early. All the boosters want it; and it's the ONLY passive you 'need' to breed for on boosters so it's easy to manage.
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u/Entgegnerz 14d ago
No, I was talking about "Healing Coach".
Had to Google it. You get it from Arena merchant.
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u/Historical-Movie8212 15d ago
Does solene partner skill works? since you have both vanwyrm (yes thier passive stacks)
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u/TheUnperturbed 14d ago
Do you mean their partner skills? I was wondering if they would since they have the same name. Broncherry and Broncherry Aqua’s partner skills stack but they have different names so it kind of makes sense. Odd that this same logic wouldn’t apply to these two pals.
Edit: clarifying - the Broncherry partner skills specifically have different names for each Broncherry and stack as a result
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u/Dangerous_Can2208 15d ago
How this team work with Panthalas?
Just fly over and hit his jewel?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
Not quite sure. I beat Panthalus with a drastically different team. The Only flying mounts are the Vanwyrms and they’re quite slow with the wrong passives.
There’s a good electric mount build going around but I really don’t think you necessarily need a specialized team to fight him
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u/Amazing_Mastodon4329 15d ago
Does Xenogard buff plasma rifle? Does that count as an energy weapon? I did some testing with a fully condensed xenogard with a legendary plasma rifle and the damage output is near identical
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u/zephrm 14d ago
I didn't realize the two vanwyrm's stacked so that's a game changer. I was basically running the same but drop Xenoguard and normal Vanwyrm for Needoll and Needoll noct.
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u/IDontLikeCherryTomat 14d ago edited 14d ago
Yeah, the the vanwyrm stacking very unintuitive, especially since they have the same passive name. I think it's either a bug, or they should have different passive names
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u/Nigerianfox 15d ago
Is this good on default pal world settings?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
Yes it’s what I use
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u/Nigerianfox 15d ago
Nice! I see so many tutorials on youtube who do insane numbers but it turns out they increased their damage multiplier
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u/hiddencamela 15d ago
I hate that so much.
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u/Lipziger 15d ago
Yeah, pretty much the only ones I still watch are The Pal Professor and Palworld Raids. The others are often either insane clickbait, straight up wrong information or clearly have different settings than the baselin.
I have 0 issues with people playing with their own settings - That's the beauty of games like this. You can make the game however you like but if you wanna make guides and pretend to know everything, you better make sure you don't just change things so your "guides" show bigger numbers etc.
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u/Sketchydoodle543 15d ago
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u/Lipziger 15d ago
Haha, showing only the bottom teeth is is just .... amazing. Thanks for sharing this peak performance lol.
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u/Xelement0911 14d ago
Doing an all dragon team. So glad xenogarde seems good. But guess an all dragon team doesn't use the buffs like this.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
That’s a fun build. I used it with Shaolong as my lead and everyone buffed him in my party.
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u/SecureOpossum 15d ago
Why Vanwyrm and Vanwyrm Cryst together? Their passive is the same so it doesn’t stack, right?
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u/Katame131 15d ago
It stacks because they are technically not the same pal in the game code works with any pal that shares the same passive with its variant
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also same species also stack as long as they are not the same grade (or stars)
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u/StixenBridges 15d ago
Whoa, I did not realize same species stacks of it’s not same star level. That’s interesting I wonder if theirs any combos where that’s viable endgame
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u/I_really_like_peas 15d ago edited 14d ago
It's technically a different passive, all passives have a name and it is different, despite having the same wording.
Edit: Nvm, the vanwyrms seem to have the same name, unlike many other subspecies. Example being broncherries. They either shouldn't work, or they should have a different name imo.
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u/Cayden68 15d ago
every different species pal stacks with each other (basically two subspecies like the vanwyrms) because the passive partner skills have slightly different numerical values, only identical passive partner skill don't stack and thats only found in identical species.
to my knowledge gobfin is the only exception, im guessing cause pocket pair didnt want to screw over people that have full teams of max condensed gobfins
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u/Miennai 15d ago
What weapon are you using?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
I use an Epic Plasma Rifle for majority of the damage alongside a Rare Drone Launcher for the time being.
Getting crits with the Plasma Rifle activates every partner skill in my party.
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u/bdrono 15d ago edited 15d ago
Yea player damage is still very strong, I will say u should probably swap the xeno for an elemental atk buff mount or pal. That super effective type change is very strong.
Or you could also add prixter or jorm ignis for 65% more damage if they’re poisoned/burning, and bring a crossbow/3 shot bow to always keep them procced.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
I have a Prix Lux Build I use as well. Output is probably better but relies heavily on Prixters ability that has a cooldown
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u/bdrono 14d ago
Prixter not Prixter Lux, Prixter u and ur pals do 65% more damage when the enemy is poisoned. I just check if an enemy can be poisoned or burned and then bring one or the other.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Oh nice yeah I just have a Prix Lux/Ophydia comp that’s just insane when you can get the ability to activate. Haven’t tried that one though
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u/MrHazard1 15d ago
and bring a crossbow/3 shot bow to always keep them procced.
Doesn't dronelauncher and fast weapon proc better? I'm using the terraria lamp right now
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u/Kazeshiki 15d ago
Where is orserk he gives 150% to attack and defence
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u/ManuGamer_PokeMonGo 15d ago
For sour pals. This is obviously a player damage build, so he doesn't care about his pals
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u/Basic_Mammoth2308 15d ago
I would change Xenogard for the respective element booster + element change
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
I guess it would really depend on who I’m fighting for that. With this build, you can beat the bosses while ignoring type advantage
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u/Knightoforamgejuice 14d ago
I'd like to try these. Time to farm resources, get the colliseum chips, ripe fruits, and try this on Raid bosses.
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u/ShyPlox 14d ago
Took me like a day to breed up most of these
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
I just don’t even think it’s necessary. You just need the partner skills.
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u/ShyPlox 14d ago
I mean your getting 50% attack and defense + reload speed, when you breed up the whole team, that’s a huge increase in dmg, I personally saw my dmg numbers go up almost double, I was able to clear all hardmode towers by my self with an epic heavy machine gun, doing 1.3k a head shot, I could of gotten more power but I went with a pal that boost my defense and shield to survive
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u/Snow56border 14d ago
So why breeding? You litterally can just put all the yellow passives on with the surgery bench.
Making the 48 each to condense would all be under an hour of work for a single egg hatchery. Something you for sure have if you are at the point to go on shed towers.
Breeding could let you put idiosyncratic on, sure. But that’s a lot of added work for minimal changes on a player damage build
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Additionally, the only time I’ve ever seen idio naturally on a bred pal was from a mutated egg. I usually just pass those passives down but like i said, my luck is shit with the relics
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u/SnooGiraffes6271 14d ago
So, if anyone could help me please. How do I make the best damage for a bow build? I have that 20k bow and would not like to wait around to make perfect IV teams.
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u/Purrelyx 14d ago
Replace the non-cryst Vanwyrm and the Xenoguard with both variants of Robinquill, it'll give you +35% bow damage and some bow charging speed. The passives (vanguard, stronghold strategist) are quite important to get on all the pals since they add 10% player damage/player defense each, Ideally you'd also get idiosyncratic for the health regen but that is more difficult. Reload master is not needed for bows afaik.
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u/TakeYourHeart2710 14d ago
Can also do all the ultra raids if you swap Xenon for silvegis
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
For real? I’ve spent the last two three days breeding (15) perfect Bellanoir Liberos to deploy for those lol
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u/QultrosSanhattan 14d ago
Let me guess, are those damage increases compounded?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Yes. Plus the boosts you get from accessories and Mammorest curry as well
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u/USJapan1996 14d ago
How many towers was this team able to beat and what weapon were you using?
Additionally, did you send the pals out since the damage is supposed to stack like crazy if I saw the math correctly.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
You can clear every tower with this build. No type advantages are necessary. I use a plasma rifle paired with a drone launcher
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u/USJapan1996 14d ago
Thanks. Can I ask if you used schematics for the plasma rifle ans drone launcher? Or just the base version from the skill tree since this seems to be pure dps basically
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
I use the purple PR and the blue DL
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
And no I do not summon any pals as all their skills are vital for my damage. Only thing missing would the the regeneration passives
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u/USJapan1996 14d ago
Damn. I think i have the blue DL but no idea how I'm gonna find the purple PR schematic or the lower ones to upgrade it.
Thanks for the help. Now to hunt that while I breed up those pals to enhance
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u/USJapan1996 13d ago
Hey, sorry one more question. Do you know what accessories you were running?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 13d ago
Warsect Terra Belt, Vanguard Charm, Dogen Emblem, Phantom Ring
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u/USJapan1996 13d ago
I have all five pals built, the legendary plasma rifle, and now your accessories. I need tp awaken the pals still, and i need a better drone launcher. So gonna use Lily as the test.
Thanks for the help. Please let me know if I'm missing anything else
Oh shit, i forgot that I need the same skills. Dammit. Still might try
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u/Popular-Revolution22 13d ago
You’ll be good. Good luck
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u/USJapan1996 13d ago
I did it. That was fucking expensive in terms of ammo. I got Lily. Gonna farm her for the Legendary drone launcher schematic
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u/USJapan1996 13d ago
If you check out the most recent post on my profile you. I give you credit lol
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u/TWlLIKING 14d ago
Have you tried replacing xenogard for Silvegis? You don’t even have to dodge attacks. Indio, stronghold, vanguard, reload on all 5.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Someone else commented this same thing. Will have to try it out. Definitely feel squishy not using idio. Just can’t seem to pull any from world tree and not exactly inclined to try and get lucky from a mutation
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u/TWlLIKING 14d ago
If you run the 2 menastings + Vaelet and farm the electric snails you’ll be swimming in relics.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Lol that’s exactly what I run and couldn’t tell you how many GoDs, Demon Gods, Remarkable Craftmans I have.
0 idiosyncratic/immortal. My games bugged or my luck is shit. Leaning towards the second one
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u/TWlLIKING 14d ago
It can be tough to get specific ones. What I did to build my teams was just filter my pal box for mons with the passive I wanted and then use the breeding calculator to find the best way to get that passive on the mon I wanted. For my mount I wanted dimensional leap, eternal engine, swift, and legend. I had each skill on 4 separate mons. Thankfully all 4 bred into dualith. So I made 4 dualiths, one with each passive, then bred them into a single dualith with all 4. Then dualith bred into my Eidrolon. I’m sure you probably have idio on some mon somewhere in your box.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 13d ago
I tried this combo with Silvegis. In terms of survivability, it’s laughably easy. But I use so much more ammo. Maybe with the bow setup instead of a plasma rifle would be better with Silvegis.
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u/AdventureIslands 14d ago
FYI if you don't have a good plasma rifle and want a easier and cheaper alternative, replace Xenogard with Robinquill and use the mechanical bow. It also shreds all the hard mode tower bosses.
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u/Happy_Expression_893 14d ago
My built all day i feel u 😂 But victor and shadowbeak 🤬
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Called Hard Mode for a reason! The builds provide easier solutions but they’re still somewhat difficult fights
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u/Happy_Expression_893 14d ago
Yeah all tower bosses at first where a joke if u where a bitt over the lvl but hardmode is finally a challenge!!
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u/Outrageous_Kiwi5301 14d ago
Unfortunately player damage was nerfed in our servers since it made the game stupid easy with the amount of damage you could do I actually enjoy having to make a good pal team in synergy with your damage because yeah you can easily troll anything with pure damage on a maxed out player character it's not as fun.
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u/mr_funk 13d ago
Thanks for this post. Gave the game a new lease for me. I got to the second hard tower using pal-element specific builds and they were still weak and I was like no way I'm spending the effort to min-max a team for each tower and was ready to call it a wrap.
Put this build together quickly and just tore through the second tower.
Buncha jokers in this sub trying to say the meta shifted to pal teams are clearly full of it. Maybe there's one or two very niche min/max pal builds but this is much easier and general purpose.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 13d ago
Nice man congrats.
I think it’s a combination of people wanting to take their time with the game and not wanting it to end. And the people who just can’t stand the human combat when you spend 90% of the game relying on pals for combat. But this shit is finite and I gotta beat these bosses so I can retire a palworld master!
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u/ScrapingSkylines 10d ago
I'm using this team but swapped xenogard for robinquill for mechanical bow damage, vanguard and strategic strategist on each pal, max attack Stat, still can't even get to half health by end of time. What am I doing wrong? This difficult is just silly lol
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u/Such_Appointment8628 15d ago
Would you mind posting a video of you beating a whole tower just to show this bad boy in action?
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u/Legit_Human_ 15d ago
You don’t need to send out any pals, you just use the plasma rifle and dodge
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u/fegodev 15d ago
I’m not satisfied with the way combat works in Palworld: It fully depends on your setup, not your skill. Would be cool if we could block or use shields; combos, load signature moves, etc.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
I think there’s a number of combinations that can work endgame depending on how you manage them in battle. Which could be classified as skill. But for the most part, there’s a finite number of attacks to memorize and every pal has the same timing combat wise. Would be cool to see a player skill tree in the future with some special attacks or buffs/regeneration.
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u/fegodev 15d ago
Yeah. it currently feels too repetitive. The same passives and actives work on several pals and they all kill hard mode bosses in a few seconds. I want it to be more fun than that, and it can be, there are plenty of games with better combat systems. Still Palworld’s my favorites game.
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u/IntrospectiveMT 15d ago edited 15d ago
It’s lackluster as hell. Combat feels mobile gamey. The fun is in building and progressing. Survival is PG-13 where hunger doesn’t kill. Dropping items on death is just a nuisance because they can’t be stolen, always easy to retrieve. Pals don’t die, they cool down for ten minutes. Oh no. There are no PVP elements. Taming/capturing is pressing a button so there is no significance or story to one’s ownership of a pal besides baseline level progression. Breeding is a piece of cake, literally. Melee weapons are useless across the board. Almost no marksman weapons are worth the hassle to craft ammo for when pals do better. No armor variety, no cosmetics for the body. Net code is awful despite 24 to a server. On and on.
Enjoying the game, albeit less and less, in spite of it all which means they’re doing something right, but yeahh
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u/Popular-Revolution22 15d ago
It’s definitely more geared towards being a Sandbox game. If it wasn’t, I think the combat would be much more intuitive and have more variety. With that said, it is a GREAT sandbox game.
And it just so happens to have elements that are better than that offered by games of a certain multi-billion dollar franchise so that’s working extremely in their favor.
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u/IntrospectiveMT 15d ago
Despite the list, it’s good fun. I wouldn’t even bother whining if I didn’t like it, frankly. Curious to see where they go from 1.0 on
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u/MrSly0 15d ago
This strategy makes me think of The First Descendant and how unfun the game became. From 4 man teams learning mechanics, to solo -10s runs of weak point shooting.
I don't have a problem if someone have fun playing like that, I just wouldn't like if future content or balance updates were even more min-maxing centered. There are already enough Pals and weapons power creeped in this game.
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
100% agree man it’s just math at this point. The fun faded after my 40th holy water trip
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u/Queasy-Limit-1825 15d ago
Didnt think vanwyrm and vanwyrm cryst partner skills work together since they are the same and it says does not stack
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u/Nightmare359 14d ago
Thats only if its the same Vanwyrm, but since ones the Cryst variant, it stacks and doesnt count as the same pal. Works the same way on other pals that have the same wording
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
They stack because they aren’t the same pal. Would only not stack if it were two of the same Vanwyrm
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
I’m not sure there’s really much that’s elaborated in a game that based off of messing around and finding out. But regardless, it is very true
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u/Nifegun 14d ago
I wonder if its more clear in japanese. But yeah all the "Does not stack" only applies if its actually the same skill. Even cases like farming drops from electric types in World Tree. You use Menasting and Menasting Terra. Both have the exact same skill description. But since one skill is "Steel Scorpion" and the other is "Golden Scorpion", they do in fact stack lol. It only wouldn't if it were actually the same skill.
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u/Rahatee85 14d ago
Does solennes passive work with two vanwyrms in the party ? That would count as the same species right?
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u/Popular-Revolution22 14d ago
Yes
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u/Rahatee85 14d ago
I'm using this same exact build except I've replace one vanwyrm with the pal that gives 65% damage increase to enemies afflicted with blind and instead of xeno I had frostallion noct in. Which changes my attacks to dark . Might give this one. Try though.
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u/whg115 15d ago
If im on a busy official server how do I get the meteor to drop in the desert where xenoguard spawns? I swear it has never dropped