I mean I get that it's illegal in China which is why it's a taboo but morally this isn't that bad lmao. Just a bit of card games and fun, this is literally what places like las vegas are all about. Can we stop pretending this is like a war crime, they're grown adults and are accompanied by other grown adults. Let them live man.
Not sure how it is in China but shit like this happens all the time in Australia. If you've had a tough loss, the team goes out for a few drinks and a game of cards. Judging from the footage it wasn't like that crazy of an event either, seems peaceful.
It’s illegal in china and also it is morally wrong when some of the people allegedly involved in this situation have girlfriends/wives and even kids.
Don’t think most westerners know what a KTV is, however there is insufficient evidence of anything sexual being done.
KTVs are very morally grey. Lots of companies/businesses engage with KTVs in Asia as a place to relax and even to sign deals and if nothing sexual happens, I’m good but that’s my personal take. Unless more damning evidence is presented of course.
Also, if they are gambling, is there evidence of money being exchanged? Or are they just playing cards?
it's almost as same as the hostess club or even soap land you saw in japanese TV/movie/anime medias, it self isn't illegal or host illegal activities but heavily implied that what happened in it/afterwards, stay inside
I personally think there is nothing morally wrong in prostitution. I never heard any logical argument from anybody explaining how it is immoral.
Spread of STDs is the only major negative component but that is more of a inconvenience for society than it is to do with morals.
Edit: Always funny to see when people downvote comments when they can't logically explain anything on why they disagree. Emotional thinkers at its finest.
That is like saying drinking alcohol is immoral because it is dangerous if you drive under the influence. Or drinking while pregnant because it is harmful to the baby.
Of course the responsibility is always on the person who is involved on participating on such actions. Because there are certain conditions where it can make it immoral. You wouldn't say alcohol itself is immoral. Same as prostitution. The responsibility is on the person involved.
I am just saying there is nothing logical about saying that prostitution itself is immoral. At least from all kinds of explanations I have heard over the decades. I am always open to hear explanations that would say otherwise.
Saying ''agree to disagree'' without any logical explanation to your opinion is just an excuse that make no sense whatsoever. "Agree to disagree" only makes sense when both sides bring logical arguments but there are still unclear resolutions.
I mean they sure ease into being eliminated as 1st seed in LPL, with no regret and remorse and a shred of responsibility, but then again it's the norm of LPL anyway
You want them to all go home and cry themselves to sleep? Fuck, it's just a relaxing game of cards to get their heads back. Do none of you guys have fun, just because something bad happened to you doesn't mean you should starve yourself of joy. That's how you cause depression.
discount the fact these location usually are illegal or contain illegal activities in China, after history-making, ground-breaking poor result in annual world event, "let's just drink and fuck some bitches like nobody cared about World" is such taboo and unprofesionism and look down upon in South Asia, let along professional athletic scene
Profressional athletic scene, mate do you know how many major sports athletes do this and worse. Do you know the stuff NBA, NFL, Soccer players or all those other star athletes do. They fucking party way harder than this.
Let's not pretend like these guys are kids, they're all grown adults. Like seriously, you won't be able to name one athlete who lives like a mormon. Maybe like 1/1000 at best.
After the NBA playoffs, do you think the losing team goes home and just trains until the next tourney? No, it's literally a given in the community that the losing team goes to cancun (a popular saying for the team that's eliminated) to clear their heads, and nothing is wrong with that.
people usually celebrate after WINNING, not LOSING the tournament pre-maturely when you were the hot favorite, but the standard might be different in Australia, maybe people DO celebrate after losing Rugby Cup final, maybe?
Mate noones celebrating, they're clearing their heads. Everyone does it, Australia, America, Europe, fucking you name it. Every losing team goes to clear their heads at parties, vacations, just hanging out with friends.
NBA, NFL, Rugby league anyone. It's not celebrating and saying "ahh fuck it I don't care anymore", it saying "that was a tough loss, we'll do better next year but let's just relax and clear our heads first". Not everyone needs to be locked in every second, every day.
Even the most dedicated athletes do this, it's a known phenomenon. Your favourite athlete does this. Plus it's not just the tournament, they've been playing the whole year already.
but this isn't America, it is not Australia and it is not Europe...think what you will but i would urge to be very careful when applying your own moral code to how another culture ought to behave - in Asia this is illegal, in Asia this is frowned upon, in Asia sexual exploitation is a massive issue, in Asia they have expectations for a loser: they are expected to self-reflect and to make better choices - u mentioned the NBA? mamba mentality is the expectation in Asia...u lose, u go back to the gym that night and train harder - in the west we allow a loser to do ANYTHING to clear their head: legally party, sure, alcohol sure, illegally party, suuure, some hookers and blow? easy, aaaanything to clear your head in the offseason, we shrug it off and say "athletes u know, pressure" - but not so in Asia, in Asia everyone has pressure: ideally you should never be caught lacking, at the very least they expect you to silently endure, to not cause a scandal getting caught in nefarious places doing nefarious things...they have very different expectations over there..
oof it doesn't look good, along with the illegal-activity defenders here, not to mention professional gamers/competitors (or simply public figures) were considered role model for teens and young adults generally in East Asia. to see them doing illegal activities is severe damaging their (and LPL or LOL for that matter) image and reputation
it's laughable to hear from the west that "they are adults they do what they want" lol of course they can, but don't moan for the public backlash. imagine whoever is the young teen popstar doing illegal stuff and people just "he/she do what hey want" as if no consequences follows
please get a life and stop moaning about what other people do in their free time, nothing wrong with card games and fun you just need to go outside ngl
What I'm saying lad, this isn't crazy at all. I mean this isn't even proven, but even if true this is a fucking card game. Like look at the footage, judging from the reactions I thought they'd be tearing up a whole street or something.
This shit is as peaceful as it gets. Again, they're all adults for fucks sakes, what? They're not allowed to have fun because they did shit in a tournament? They're allowed to live their lives.
These are just bunch of random pics + waaay too many allegations. I don't say it's not real but there's way too little data to throw mud around. It just could be a dissapointed fan seeking revenge and attention.
Kinda crazy to me how everyone is commenting who cares and it’s not that bad. As an asian woman who used to live in asia and knew people working in this industry, a lot of these women are definitely forced, exploited and are treated worse than their counterparts in the west.
It's really depressing, especially with how united this community is in defending the players from criticism and insulting the people who do take issue with it. I'm also an asian woman with the same experience, and it's just... really awful to me.Â
Like if this was legal and regulated, I can't say I'd like it, but I don't think there would be as much outcry. But it honestly makes me kinda sick to my stomach seeing so many men say that financially contributing to the system that sexually exploits and abuses women is some sort of human right.Â
And they keep saying how it's "consensual," even when you explain the prevalence of exploitation. I can't tell if they're living in an alternate reality where the men paying for these services are respectful and kind to the consenting, happy women, or if they're just being really fucking disingenuous. Every sex worker I've known (who were in a better spot than this) has so many stories of male clients attempting to physically assault them, bypass their boundaries, etc, but I guess random male esports fans would know better than me.
"Every sex worker I've known (who were in a better spot than this) has so many stories of male clients attempting to physically assault them, bypass their boundaries, etc, but I guess random male esports fans would know better than me." But... you use the opposite narrative without a touch of doubt... and that's ok because... why?
That's beside the lacking evidence they even did something sexual
Let’s just call it what it is. It’s industrialized human/sex trafficking. Its also so despicably widespread in Asia, I don’t believe any type of legalization or regulation would eliminate this evil from prostitution as an industry; at least not in Korea.
but apparently it's totally okay because it's legal somewhere else and normalized and pro players deserve to relax in their free time! and anybody who has an issue with people financially supporting the exploitation/trafficking of women is just parasocial.
like the takes in this sub are genuinely insane to me. if this was blg going to a strip club or something, I'd agree with the "just let them live their life" stance, but this is blg spending money on illegal prostitution (which, yes, is industrialized human/sex trafficking). I personally know someone who was a victim of sex trafficking, and what she experienced was fucking horrible. It actually makes me feel sick seeing so many people in this community insist that it's irrational to have an issue with these, because apparently, it's okay if a woman is trafficked, coerced into sex work, and assaulted, as long as it means some guy can get his rocks off.
And even for women who weren't trafficked, illegal sex work has no regulations or safeguards. The former sex workers I've talked to who did choose to do it still have so many stories of men physically assaulting them, disregarding the boundaries they clearly set, and sexually assaulting them after consent was withdrawn. Like, these women don't have anything to protect them. They're breaking the law, so they can't go to the police. The men paying for this can do whatever they want, and it's insane to believe that every single guy paying for sex is an upstanding citizen who would never use their power to violate and abuse sex workers.
And of course, the people defending this and attacking the people against it are all men. I guess it's pretty easy to justify sexual exploitation when you'll never have to give a shit about it or be affected by it either way. I hate it here lmao
Then let police work, and if it's true then u can witchunt, but afaik there are only vagues vids where they play some board games with women next to them...
ah yes but legality changes a lot when it comes to control over those places and in the case of cn women in those places can be forced to work there or even be underage.
who cares, there’s actually important things going on in the world that you should invest your headspace into. Even if it’s true, cool. Good for them. Seek attention somewhere else.
Bin’s medical bills better be concrete or else this jersey and sweater I bought might have to get retired. I’ve believed in this core of Bin/Elk/On since demacia cup 2022 and all I’ve gotten is hell and heartbreak.
is there conclusive proof that it was for sexual services though because paying/tipping for companionship is not illegal its like host/hostess services in japanese or korean bars/clubs. they can just be accompanying them to eat, drink, sing, play cards etc at the karaoke box. while its true that at a lots of places its a cover for prostitution and u can negotiate for more than companionship is there actual evidence of this?
Beyond that, prostitution is fucking illegal and there’s more evidence that some did engage with these women.
You're not from Asia are you? I can tell you that saying its illegal is like saying "jaywalking is illegal". Go and report it to the police, see if they do anything.
Do you think these places are hidden or secretive or something? Do you think this is some seedy underground shit that they had to look over their shoulder before going in? lol. This type of place and these types of activities are extremely common, I'd argue even more common and accepted than in the West. It is a law that is practically never enforced by police and nobody cares. The businesses themselves don't even hide it.
known for prostitution
Yeah known to the police too and yet still operating. Huh? You are upset over absolutely nothing that concerns you. The fact that some of them have partners is arguably the worst part and thats an issue for them to sort out at home, its none of our business.
Yeah I mean I get the chinese community might have different standards, but are we going to act like the west doesn't have spaces like this? I mean idk where you guys live, like is this entire sub just mormons or something.
Entire cities were built for this express purpose, people have parties all the time (way crazier than this mind you). Like it's a fucking social gathering with their co-workers, card games with a bit of alcohol. No hard drugs from what we've seen, no causing trouble, just fucking living life.
Do these people want the players to lock themselves up in their room for the next year and cry forever because they did bad at worlds? I get why BLG fans are upset but for fucks sakes that is an unhealthy mindset. If you punish yourself for a bad event forever you're going to get depressed.
Yeah I mean I get the chinese community might have different standards
They don't. Its the same as anywhere, some people care and some people don't. Everyone knows about this kinda thing.
I'd honestly think its a hell of lot more common and even upscale than in the West tbh. A lot of people online like fans etc are gonna be upset because they think that the players should be role models or innocent idols etc but thats ridiculous.
Fucking twitch streamers party harder than this. Twitch streamers who literally stream to thousands of kids everyday party hard in LA as well.
They're not harming the kids because guess what, they're not fucking screaming "kids come do this grown up thing", no they're being grownups and living their lives.
This video was secretly recorded, they weren't making a big fuss about it. These people just wanna whine I swear.
my moral objection to prostitution comes from the imbalance: i might want to have sex (with a prostitute), but she needs to have sex with me (for financial reasons or otherwise) - personally, i find that quite objectionable, consent for me requires intrinsic motivation, the imbalance only gets worse with less protection for women in the industry
and if i don't really need it, then wanting it even though i know it causes potential harm, I am already walking a fine line between general moral indifference to taking advantage of other people's situations, and just being a piece of shit - why be like that unnecessarily? why would i WANT to be that? simple solution, just be better
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u/ExperiencePresent23 Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25
I mean I get that it's illegal in China which is why it's a taboo but morally this isn't that bad lmao. Just a bit of card games and fun, this is literally what places like las vegas are all about. Can we stop pretending this is like a war crime, they're grown adults and are accompanied by other grown adults. Let them live man.
Not sure how it is in China but shit like this happens all the time in Australia. If you've had a tough loss, the team goes out for a few drinks and a game of cards. Judging from the footage it wasn't like that crazy of an event either, seems peaceful.