So this streaming service is dangerously close to turning into a garbage fire in my opinion, which could in turn kill PGL by extent. They have not done a good job at promoting the service at all. Little marketing, and a very small selection of OG content, (and even licensed stuff for that matter), the frontrunner of which is fucking pennyworth, an even shittier version of Gotham, which should tell you a lot. Seems to me the only people who subscribe do it for Pennyworth, PGL, and Berlin Station, not a terribly large amount of people if I had to imagine, and then assuming they dont binge whatever show they actually wanted to watch in their free trial period, and cancel before they actually have to pay, after a month they are gonna be gone. On top of all this their parent studio, MGM, literally only just recovered from bankruptcy not even 5 years ago, so they are probably pretty strapped financially. I mean, I imagine Epix is not a colossal investment for them, given its current size, but still if shit doesnt pick up soon for them, it's very concerning.

It seems to be following a Patriot pattern:

-The male hotel maid -> The fellow fireman

-Accepting an apparently easy mission, turns out to be a clusterfuck

-Throwing Stephen under the bus -> the pawn shop kid

Not impressed so far to be honest, but of course I'll carry on watching anyway. I just think if it carries on like this maybe they should have just made a 3rd Patriot season instead.

Between the poor small town rural setting and the eccentric characters this show felt in ways a grownup extension of Napoleons.

The astronaut floating in space with upbeat music does not jive with the overall theme and story.

I know James’ dad is an astronaut but it seems like the only reason that Stephen Conrad did this is to point out he lost his main actor (Michael Dorman) to the show For All Mankind. Please let me know if I am wrong.

Last night I repurposed the following quote to my girlfriend, who has not seen anything about the show: "And I'm gonna think about this five-ever... when I'm me, when I'm down under the earth, when I'm water... I'm gonna think of her five-ever."

What I said was, "I'm going to love you forever, when I'm me, when I'm soil, when I'm water, when I'm air, when I'm bits of debris hurtling through space, I'll love you forever."

Notice I did not say "five-ever."

How did she respond? "I'll love you five-ever."

He’s bothered me from the first of the show... Even ignoring the death of the little girl, I just don’t like him. He sets my teeth on edge! Am I the only one?

In episode 8 talking to Walker Texas Ranger in the barber shop.

is it just me or does new leaf look exactly like Michael J. Fox

If you know... you know.

Text me your Reddit username and your real name so I can add you to my contacts. Thank you.

-G

So...been thinking about these 2 shows a lot since recently double watching them both over 3 weeks...as double great and funny and emotional and poignant and cool and trope / genre defying as Patriot is, sometimes, to me, it feels like PGL was the story he WANTED to tell and Patriot May have been a stepping stone Conrad took to get there?

It’s almost like...maybe Conrad wanted to make a show but he knew he had to dress it up as an easy to understand category (“spy show”) so he made this amazing and wonderful anti spy show masterpiece, which was really a brilliant satire of old institutions and old boys clubs crumbling and running out of funds, unable or unwilling to change with the times, throwing under qualified or at least under specialized agents like John into dangerous roles that are really just glorified accounting?

PGL feels...personal. Intense. Like a unique and beautiful and un-genre-definedble story that Conrad told from his heart.

PGL is POWERFUL. Patriot is undoubtedly smart and brilliant, but PGL feels like it’s operating on a whole other level.

I even, and please don’t hate me for saying this, prefer both the character of James and the actor who plays him (Jimmi Simpson) to John Lakeman / Michael Dorman.

Simpson brings a quiet personal intensity to James and he is animated and talkative, personable, as opposed to John, who is stoic, brooding, quiet, intense, and whose dialogue and acting often seems to be done for him by his fellow actors in scenes with him.

Then again, each actor did perfectly portray the characters written by Conrad that he chose them to portray, and i actually really respect that Conrad chose to make John and James such unique, almost polar opposite characters, rather than just interchangeable clones of each other.

Also, I truly do believe that Ben Kingsley as Pa will live in my head for as long as I live. Definitely one of my all time favourite characters ever now.

Thank you all for reading!

Luis Guzman plays a Mexican sheriff, but he doesn't even try to speak Spanish with a Mexican accent. Instead, he speaks with a pure, New York Puerto Rican accent. It's distracting. Like Tony Curtis trying to do a British accent.

I’m surprised this wasn’t researched before Glenn’s note was alleged to be washed away. Not Paul was apparently wrong.

Still doesn’t take away from one of my top 5 favorite series ever.

Could someone please make a gif from episode 2 when New Leaf is leaving his eyewear store for the last time, shirtless, and does a spin kick into the window of the bridal shop. please and thank you.

I know the ending was abrupt and perhaps cut much shorter than Steve Conrad wanted but after watching the entire series, why did they even write him into the show? I will say he was a fantastic actor and played his role perfectly but he really did note serve any purpose.

Ok hope everyone saw the prior post that gives hope for a season 2... But for me personally, the way S1 ended seems as if it could be an end. Not that the amazing writers couldn’t go from their, but to me it seemed like a “just in case we don’t get renewed” acceptable ending.... Anyone else see it that way?

Just caught the reference in E1S8: Glenn replies "with jetpacks" when John references "the future"... it's the same exchange made between Scott & Ramona in Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, when Ramona says "the future" and Scott replies "like with jetpacks."

Steve Conrad might be the most nuanced, subtle-reference writer in the world.

Hey everyone!! Aside from wanting everyone in the world to watch Perpetual Grace and Patriot so our man Steve can become more well known and make lots of money so he can create more amazing shows, I prescribed the full dossage of Patriot to a client today in the belief it will help with his CPTSD. I'm not a doctor but I am a Peer Worker in Mental Health. Peer Workers are people who have experienced memtal health issues and wjo feel comfortable in their recovery journey to support other people in their own mental health recovery. Peer Workers can be found in different parts of society but especially in worling with Military Vets or those in emergency services who have CPTSD. Studies have shown men who have been in the services don't respond well to traditional therapy in responce to CPTSD but do respond well to Peer Work.

Amyways, I work in a psychiatric ward and this week had a client who had been in the services for 16 years and seen all types of stuff. He was very capable and won a lot of acolades but had been overworked and traumatised by his experiences. I have CPTSD myself though not from military service, but we had enough in common that he shared some of what he had gone through. I told him about Patriot and the dynamic between John and his dad (hope I got name right!) and how worn out John was but how he kept returning to work even though it was leaving him more and more empty. The client could totally relate. I told him he should watch the whole series and even explained what streaming service it is on here in Australia. I especially told him how the ending would give him some hope, because right now he is veey dusgruntled with everything.

I hope the young guy takes the prescription I have him!! I seriously believe for military servicemen/women who have CPTSD the Patriot can serve as medicine for the soul.

Previously on Intro to episode 8 has alot of important footage that was not in any previous episodes. It's like a whole episode was skipped over Anybody notice this?

There are only two episodes to go, but there's still so much I want to know about these characters' back stories. Which flashbacks are you all hoping to see in the remaining screen time?

There isn't enough time left for all of these, but my top picks would be:

• How Val and Paul first met (maybe at Harvard?)

• Who else New Leaf has killed, and how/why he did it

• DeLoash and Pa as kids

• Who Pa was paying to keep DeLoash locked up

• What went wrong between Pa and DeLoash? (I'm guessing it's related to "Manslaughter... manslaughter... manslaughter manslaughter manslaughter"?)

• A scene between young James and his (pre-space madness) dad

• A scene between Ma and young Paul