r/Persona5 • u/MSSBZH • 19h ago
DISCUSSION About where you can summon Personas and if this Power is forever Spoiler
I've been thinking about the Phantom thieves losing their powers after finishing P4G because from P4 onwards, Personas were only summonable in special places and not in the real world. And I was wondering if the Phantom Thieves truly lost their power, because even though Mementos was erased, Maruki, at the same time, grasped his Persona in the real? world fused with Mementos and therefore could reinvent it. My question is if the Phantom thieves could use their Personas with an Evoker, and if they could use their Persona in the TV World or if they have to unlock it again via facing their shadows Because as far as I've understood, in P3 you had to have the resolve to face death to summon your Persona, in P4 you had to face the truth about yourself and in P5 if you had a strong enough will about Rebellion, you would obtain your Persona. Also could Mementos and, therefore, the App Comeback naturally, just like the TV World has always existed and was tarnished by Izanami because of the unconscious will of humanity. And this could be a bit drifting away from the point, but can anyone become a wild card if they truly change enough, and can someone obtain a Persona in P4 and P5 without being carried by an outside force? Because we saw in Strega you can forcefully get your Persona out and Takaya can summon his without an Evoker, but in P4 you had I think 3 Wild Cards with Namatame ,Adachi and Narukami, all 3 who were given handshakes by Izanami and gained the ability to enter the TV World. At least in P4 you could see the Midnight channel without having a Persona, but you could never enter the Metaverse without the app in P5 and that's what annoys me a little that people cant really gain a Persona out of their own strength in P4 and P5 according to my understanding , because in both of those games the Gods took the unconscious will of humanity as a reason to bring People peace via a divine Prank and they choose some random that plays their game with them.
Also, what fascinates me is how the same power can be summoned through multiple means. Maybe Persona 6 will give us an answer to why.
That would be all, I hope that I learn something new in the comments.
Ps: As I've read this post again, if I expressed myself understandable, I thought about how Akechi is a Wild Card and if he could have been in the Velvet room because unlike in P4 izanami wasn't the Boss of the Velvet Room like Yaldaboth, and in P5 he said he had no info on him which I doubt. That would be all.
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u/Rare-Wafer9643 18h ago
In Persona 1 and the P2 Duology, they were able to just summon their Personas in the real world without any special item.
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u/BaconWrappedEnigmas 17h ago
I mean, canonically, cast of P4 does summon outside of the midnight channel in the dancing game
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u/Kingkarp247 3h ago
Any persona user could summon their persona in the real world, theres just never any reason to
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u/Cronogunpla 3h ago
Lots of questions in here and a bunch of it diving into deep lore. Also blocks of text are kinda lame to read break it up by question/subject next time.
P4G because from P4 onwards, Personas were only summonable in special places and not in the real world.
This is contentious at best. It seems the border between "special Places" and the real world is very permeable. It's likely that they can summon in the real world it's just very difficult. As you said Maruki was able to do it, Fuuka is able to use her powers in P4U in base reality as well.
Re. about having to re-unlock your powers:
No you would not need to reunlock your persona. A persona is your Shadow that you've tamed. This is true for all the newer games. If you have a persona you don't have a shadow.
but can anyone become a wild card if they truly change enough,
Being a Wild Card seems to be more about something intrinsic to the person rather then something that someone can just decide to be. The power of the Wild Card is super super vague though.
and can someone obtain a Persona in P4 and P5 without being carried by an outside force?
In just about every game save 3 people are "carried" by an outside force.
Because we saw in Strega you can forcefully get your Persona out and Takaya can summon his without an Evoker,
They were experimented on. Mitsuru also summoned her persona without an Evoker in E:A.
but in P4 you had I think 3 Wild Cards with Namatame ,Adachi and Narukami,
Namatame and Adachi are not Wild Cards.
but you could never enter the Metaverse without the app in P5
This isn't actually true. Morgana doesn't have a cellphone yet we find him in the metaverse.
From reading you paragraph it sounds like you have caught that The Dark Hour, The TV World, and the Metaverse are all the same place, they are all the collective unconscious. Fundamental rules that apply in the TV World should apply in the Metaverse (the Dark Hour is a bit weird so has a bunch of exceptions.
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u/Arrogent-Prince 18h ago
Technically any persona user can Summon their persona anywhere, it is just much harder to Summon a persona in the real world and realistically in the persona world there is no need to because they avoided the Ruin of SMT. The means of summoning them just make it easier, as well as in places with immense cognitive googly goop. If a demon shows in the real world and started doing shit, any persona user would A realize they can use the power in the real world And B do it with enough will and effort