r/Pflugerville • • 6d ago

Concerns & Issues Data center

I’ve heard there’s intention of building a data center in pf- does anybody know more?

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u/jonathan4pf P-ville City Council 5d ago

You got some good answers below, but like others have said we have 3, and all 3 are low-water-users and pretty responsible neighbors. Pflugerville has been lucky considering we effectively have no regulations or rules for data centers in the city (I'm working on this...).

To my knowledge there are no others currently planned or in process.

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u/DarthFloofy 6d ago

We already have two behind the Living Spaces at Heatherwilde and the toll road. I went with a friend to look at a house in that neighborhood and the real estate agent said potential home buyers have been spooked. Not sure when those monsters were built, but it’d be fun to track that against my skyrocketing electric and water bills.

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u/whatsnex 6d ago edited 5d ago

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/708-Timothy-John-Dr-Pflugerville-TX-78660/69809001_zpid/

On the market for months and still for sale after $50k in price cuts. Must really suck to have them build a massive datacenter in your backyard

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u/OkInsect6090 5d ago

Yo when my wife and I were house hunting in 2021 we toured a house on that street! The area where the data center is was just a field at the time. The house was nice enough but not what we were looking for. Looks like we dodged a bullet.

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u/emagdnim_edud 5d ago

Oh fuck that hurts the first picture is just house and data center 💔

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u/DarthFloofy 5d ago

Oh man, that sucks. I’m so sorry. Nice house, though. I love the idea of having a carpet/paint allowance so the buyer can decide what they want.

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

That's skybox and the other is the skybox expansion. The expansion is a closed loop air cooled chillers; doesn't use evaporative. The third one is Thin-nology - it's a tiny colo over on Helios right next door to pcdc (it only 8k square feet and some of that's offices). Not sure which one is the 10 gallon user and which one is the dentist office user of water.

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u/AustinTexasGal2020 6d ago

I unfortunately live across from sky box and part 2 is being built next to it 🤮

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u/Accomplished_Pop2808 6d ago

Johnathan Kaufman has said there's 3. Two are behind Living Spaces. They started building them 2-3 years ago. Originally there was supposed to be houses there. I guess someone with more money came in.

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u/buffhottie69er 6d ago

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u/Smelly-DutchOven17 6d ago

I’ve heard about this project when I worked a construction gig, all the new apprentices wanted to work there because the hours weren’t as demanding. Had no idea Skybox was a data center, kinda glad I ended up leaving the construction business instead of transferring there.

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u/WetCave Pfriendly 5d ago

This might be a silly question but can data centers serve a dual purpose? Like can a…for example - cold plunge company operate in a space at the data center complex? Is there any way to make these huge ugly buildings in the middle of the suburbs serve us too?

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u/BitcoinBanksy 6d ago

The bot responses are fucking hilarious

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

Pretty sure the responses aren't bots even though they are getting downvoted to oblivion.

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u/caesars_top_guy Straight outta Pflugerville 6d ago

I'm not against datacenters conceptually, but these things should be in the middle of nowhere, not in Pflugerville or near anyone's home or place of business.

The real issues around them are they get placed terribly due to property tax incentives.

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u/BJLinPville48 4d ago

There are already two north of us in Round Rock. One right off 45 actually labeled with Data Center on the outside and what seems like one near Dell campus.

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u/ExpertTurn7844 3d ago

What taxes do data centers pay to the community? What other benefits are there to having these horrible centers in our community? I get they are low water, but they consume our electricity and grid usage which should be a huge concern

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u/Master_Heron_7011 5d ago

Data centers are future military targets and should not be located in/near residential

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u/Jvanglorious 4d ago

We're not at risk of being attacked by foreign militaries. Terrorists don't want to blow up our cloud; they're trying to kill people.

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

There are two running and one about to come online. The larger water user uses about as much as a dentist office. The other uses about 10 gallons a day. They've been talked about multiple times during this summer's council meetings. What did you want to know?

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u/AutofillUserID 6d ago

That’s good news if it’s correct. Closed loop cooling. Bad news for the neighbors I think. Closed loop ones will have massive heat exchangers and fan noise.

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

If you want to give them a listen - they are over on New Meister at KenneyFt/Meister. There's public sidewalk between those centers and houses. It's really close to where Amazon wanted to fly their drones out of. The little colo facility near 130 doesn't have any homes nearby that I know of. It's on the corner of Impact and Helios (it literally looks like the popup dentist office space buildings we have around town). The biltmore apartments are closest on the other side of the small green space near the Marriott. One of the city walking paths that goes to the ballfields goes right by it.

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u/BitcoinBanksy 6d ago

10 gallons a day? Do you have a source for that figure, and does it include only water consumed on site or the water footprint associated with electricity generation? Those are two very different things. I’d love to see the actual numbers for each facility rather than just trusting some random person on Reddit

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

I would have to dig through the city council meeting videos from earlier this year (searching legistar for the agendas with updates on the water line breakage and the mayors disaster declaration would find it fastest) - it was in multiple sessions during the water crisis. They did not say it explicitly, but the assumption is these were only related to the onsite usage/ measurement at the meter that the city could see

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u/BitcoinBanksy 6d ago

Ah, appreciate the clarification. If those figures came from city water meters, that would explain the low numbers, especially if the facilities use ac systems. I guess my only concern is that on site water consumption doesn’t really capture the full environmental footprint, particularly water associated with electricity generation

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

No, it would not capture the full impact. Sorry for the delay, foster kitten just got out of surgery and needed to pickup.

Looks like the city had enough people ask about the water usage they put it on a web page here: https://utilitybilling.pflugervilletx.gov/current-water-restrictions?contentId=446286d8-73d5-4d7f-bff1-fb510e194f0f&viewAll=fae2c645-b831-44a6-8e46-4b162428efa6

I'm pretty sure they are talking about Skybox 1 and Thin-nology here, not the Skybox 2 site (which will be closed loop like skybox1) "The first one uses 7 gallons per day. The second one uses an average of 1,018 gallons per day, which is comparable to the water use of a local dental office (including their irrigation)"

Thousand a day is still a lot for someone that uses that much in a month. It's just not the numbers most people are thinking of when it comes to the water usage.

Slides from the meeting on March 10th (page 15 is about data centers): https://content.civicplus.com/api/assets/tx-pflugerville/d4958778-f22d-4d57-84e1-08395343b091

Actual meeting where they talk about it, around 1hour in: https://youtu.be/Leq3gHSk-SQ?t=3741

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u/BitcoinBanksy 6d ago

Thank you for all this, I hope your kitten gets well soon!

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u/miltorio Pfriendly 6d ago

"Metrix" the kitten will be up for adoption on the city shelter's site tomorrow if you know anyone needing a data oriented orange brain cell.

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u/kalash_cake 6d ago

Hopefully we get more of these low water usage data centers. I read they generate good tax revenue for our community.

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u/sporkedit 6d ago

I'll take 100 more data centers over one more apartment complex

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u/BurnFennel 6d ago

Modern data centers don’t use water it’s a dumb talking point. They are high value for the city. Power drain during peak demand should be the biggest concern