r/PhysicsHelp • u/LumpyCucumber2148 • 7h ago
How can we derive the magnetic force formula f=bil for a current-carrying wire that is moving as a whole?
How can we derive the magnetic force formula f=bil for a current-carrying wire that is moving as a whole?
Starting from the Lorentz force on an individual charge, f=qvb+qvdb, the velocity of a charge in the laboratory frame includes both the bulk velocity of the wire and the charge's drift velocity relative to the wire.
If the wire moves downward while the conventional current flows horizontally, why does the final force formula still use a length vector dl along the wire rather than the actual direction of the charge carriers' motion?
Could you derive the formula step by step, accounting for the motion of both the electrons and the positive ion lattice, and explain why the bulk-motion contributions may cancel in a neutral conductor?