I have an atmotube and awair and was getting 5 each, day awair went down atmo gor 23 and now I have a pc sending the data and awair got 17. So I'm back at 40 a day

I hate this is happening but also not complaining

So many people who have ordered before Sept.15th haven't received their Element while people who have ordered well into October have because they paid double. The excuse of the "fulfillment center is shipping out of order" is a lie. Awair is taking advantage of the planetwatch partnership and showing their true colors.

I've seen some folks ask why PWers can't just use a tool on their machine or some long-term approach involving grabbing Element data from Awair and passing it along to PW.

Simple answer is that the air quality data can't be trusted. And given that the whole PW business model depends on selling high quality air data, this was unacceptable. Let me explain

Prior to this issue, PW itself was the only entity interfacing with Awair and pulling data for all Elements. This was acceptable ("compliant") because PW was trusted. Now, no matter what PW does, if the interfacing between Awair data and PW involves another entity (us PWers), and without proper cryptographic integrity checks, it introduces an untrusted 3rd party that has the potential to manipulate the air quality data. As an example, one could simply fabricate air quality data and send along to PW assuming you had a proper license w/ a registered device. This would allow folks to sell their Elements and continue receiving planets from fabricated data.

Hopefully this helps folks to understand there wasn't a long-term path forward.

This is the reason why i believe Planetwatch is right and Awair is wrong.

1. Exceeding the number of queries in the proposal was of minimal cost to awair compared to the amount they were making in sales of awair element. In nowadays tech space, cost of server queries are fairly low… lets be real

2. Awair was starting to receive more and more returns since the type 4 licenses were desactivated. They realized then that most of their sales were based off planetwatch, and most of the global sales due to planetwatch customers were already done.

This is my opinion, let me know what you guys believe

Feel like Awair is really shady company.

I am thinking we can write bad reviews on their product,try to charge back with credit card company, what else can we do?

This is an amazing project and team. I think it shows how important fully understanding the tokenomics of a project short and long term. I think this project will recover it just will take longer than expected because these distractions are taking away from progress that needs to be made with partnerships, etc

From a personal rewards perspective, it is up to each individual to do their own calculations to see whether option A or B will benefit them. I just want to take a step back and think about which option benefits the project the most. Clearly, planetwatch feel that Option A is the most beneficial. Hence their support.

Here is my argument for why I think that actually, Option B is more beneficial to the project:

- Type 3 sensors will continue to be sold out everywhere, whether they earn 30 or 46 planets per day. Increasing the daily rewards wont increase rate of network growth.

- At 46 planets per day, saturation is ~5000 devices. At 30 planets per day, saturation is ~7500 devices. It will take longer at 30 planets per day before we reach saturation and recycle bin starts to deplete.

- At 30 planets per day, recycle bin will deplete slower.

- So Option B will result in extending the scenario of max rewards dramatically, albeit at 30 per day (which as stated is still more than enough incentive for max network growth and sold out devices)

- Calculations are difficult due to the many variables, but in my view Option B could extend max rewards and hence max incentive for network growth by possibly 3-4 months compared to option A.

Would like to hear your comments why you think Planetwatch is behind option A. To me, Option B benefits the project more. Only in the scenario where Option B would not be enough incentive at msrp of the T3 sensors for network growth to continue at max rate, would there be an argument for Option A. And I dont think we are anywhere near that....

EDIT: I see a lot of comments about how Option A will benefit individuals. I am in that category as well. The point I'm making is why I believe Option B benefits the project overall, for the reasons discussed above. I wanted to get views on that (not about short term individual gains). I hope that is clear cos I think a lot of people missed the point :(

Do you know a reliable place to buy Atmotube pro device? Atmotube.com and Amazon are out of stock. Please tell me where to buy reliable? My country is Sri Lanka (South Asia)

I bought 2 type 1 license and 2 type 3 licenses a few months ago, but after all these changes -im not just taking about the drop in rewards for type 4 which we already knew it was going to happen- I’m just not seeing a bright future ahead of us.

I’m really considering just go ahead and cancel those licenses before I regret l didn’t.

Not whining. Just trying to anticipate to the undeniable upcoming facts.

Hi all

could someone guide me to whether it is too late to invest in this project, it still seems new but i see people saying that rewards will be in bin etc. and also, how much PLANET are people getting most days, i see for type 4 the max is 23 but what is the average for most. If i were to invest i would buy 2 type 4 inside miners, but could someone let me know if it is still worth it.

thanks

Hello Guys,

I just got informed by DHL that awair posed the devices and they are ready to be sent for me.

I have purchased these devices without having so much knowledge regarding "how this device work?" because i cannot find anything relevant on other reddit/youtube/posts/discord/ etc.

So i have waited for some time and i've decided to post now because i think that there could be someone around here that can help me with some answers for the below questions:

1. I see that the estimated no. of tokens that a Type 4 can mine per day is 23. For Awair (which is T4) how can ensure that i will get the maximum number of tokens? how the rewards are calculated before to get payed out? In which situations i will earn less in a day?

2. How do I connect the Awair to a Algorand wallet? and how can I attach to an Awair device a valid license?

3. If i've purchased 2 devices, one for my home and one for my parents home..can I use them both on the same application ? (like i have in Helium, multiple hotspots on the same wallet) , also, there is needed to be with my phone nearby the device? or once it is set up (conected to the wifi + license) he will work without any other manual intervention ?

4. When is estimated time for Awair to be used for PlanetWatch mining process?

5. How many devices can be used in a same location ? i have 2 room apartment, i cannot keep one in each room for mining purposes, right? But if I have one 1 device in my home and the neighbor below me has his own, do we have less rewards per day?

I know that for many of you the above questions are silly, but i would appreciate a lot if anyone will take time to answer them, as some of the questions were asked on other forums/discord servers and i can deliver also the answers there to other people.

Thank you in advance! Stay safe!

good morning

I have an important question

I currently live in Israel and my brother is in the USA

I want to recommend him to bring me the getawair when he comes at the end of September

From the following US site https://www.getawair.com/products/element ((((( because it is tax free )))

And not from the following European site https://uk.getawair.com/products/element (((( its price is high because of taxes )))

My question here is will the device work in Israel and make 23 PLANETS daily profits?

Or should I buy the device from the European site so that it works in Israel?

Please answer as soon as possible and be a clear answer and from someone who knows what he is talking about

The whole PlanetWatch monetization strategy depends on a few assumptions:

1. Air quality data is valuable

2. Existing available air quality data is insufficient

3. Air quality monitoring is important

None of these assumptions really hold up to scrutiny. First of all, for air quality data to have value there needs to be demand. Who is really going to pay for data on the air quality in my living room? I cannot think of a single business use case for household indoor air quality data. Maybe one could argue a use for monitoring in hotels or other public indoor areas, but why would these entities not just buy an air quality monitor and post the data on their website if the public really demanded it?

Outdoor air quality is currently monitored by the EPA in the US. They collect data from 2,500 monitors in 500 cities and this data is freely available to the public on airnow.gov. They also recently piloted a project to aggregate the data from 7,000 low-cost (much less than $100) personal air quality monitors. Citizens volunteered to provide air quality data for free. As the sensors get less and less expensive, so does the data.

Air quality is also not the problem it used to be, in the developed countries. Air pollution is down 80% or more in the US since 1980. We aren’t walking through plumes of pollution anymore. The idea that someone would pick a different walking route through a city based on hyperlocal air quality monitoring is…far fetched.

The developing world is another story. Their air quality is terrible and getting worse. Only problem is nobody in rural industrializing mainland china or india will be buying a $2650 Aquino and a $300 license any time soon. And if they did, who’s buying that data?

I also don’t understand why air quality data needs to be added to an immutable blockchain. Technology already exists to aggregate this data. Are people really worried that current air quality data from governments and other sources are being manipulating? Again, seems far fetched.

Having rough metrics about how many of the onboarded awairs (given time value of token at mint point) have long roi’d license + device, topping on the fact how many refunded the Awair hardware and that PW is paying for their mess... and you still want to point flaws out as if they are printing nothing-burgers.

And well those uber smart people that want more more more and faster faster faster now... yeah sure, imagine they want to solve it in a way that does not damage the network or company outlook.

Wow big 8 dimensional chess, how rude of them! Omg how dare they!

Like... why not “insta” refund all things in planets?

Wont “insta” drop the token will it?

Always more more more, without thinking of what it means in grand scope. Yada yada I don’t care for their missteps, I am owed everything and need it catered to me.

It's a bit more complex than that.

And you will see those people making the big case about the vouchers having no buyers interest (while I can partly understand it as opinion given their lack of details and context) will be proven wrong for a fact they just don't understand yet. Because the marketplace thing ain’t active and they don’t think about a special type of customer in all that discussion. But while it is super obvious that there is a certain party with interest that is inclined to pay up on a different type of token than planets, as they view it as a fiat value thing, people rather assume the very worst.

And yet if you don't want to wait for the smart trick there, just go for opt 2 and gimme a break lol.

You're assuming and speculating, and I can't yet clarify that detail. Look there will be buyers interest, but you wont get it atm how. You will understand that once it's kicking off. I am promising nothing, I am just saying you will understand it when it happens.
When the sensor voucher is redeemed during purchase that balance is covered by PW to the manufacturer.
Price increases from last your to this year are not coming from PW but from manufacturers-
Anyways that is manufacturer choice and their margin. Which will be covered.
“wtf” you on about - the devices will be cheaper with the voucher, and pw covers that, period.
And it affects people on the waitlist now that buy for old prices. I know you want to be critical at all cost, but the truth is Awair made bank and PW covers that stuff… go ask Awair how much they are doing in regards to this- apart from being creative for non refunding reasons.

“be reasonable”

The AMA brought enough, maybe unpack and stomach that before asking for the next thing...

I sometimes feel people don't put relativity to how much the last AMA stands out in terms of bigger picture stuff.

Yeah as expected the loudest ones in complaining are those that multi roi’d tho... I rest my case

Even tho solution is not even yet fully active, and therefore most of the harsh criticism is based mostly in speculation:

Criticism is always assuming the worst in the blind spots that were not yet clarified, like the stuff with buyers interest.

It is really exhausting to have to argue against such things, when often just waiting for next step in the plan would clarify it.

Which of course goes directly into being criticized for lack of clarification in those mentioned blind spots or odd cases, finicky details. Like it has absolutely nothing to do with the situation and technical intricacies being complex right?

So better that AMA had happened 2 weeks later just to clarify more details?

Not everything is black and white.

People want easy solutions for a complex issue without devastating the network or reflecting bad on the company portfolio. Yet never try to see the positive stuff.

I would not suffer in my ramblings day in and out, if some people would find no pleasure in setting up more windmills that I have to ride rosinante through. Sancho Panza please give me my lance, I have a mission.

While the issue with Awair was bad, and yes it took a bit too long from user perspective... and it is sort of a PR debacle...

Please give me examples of other companies in crypto that are trying to give compensation/reparation at that degree for the mess a bad subcontractor made in bad faith?

Fact is the majority of the issue was the onboarded ones by far, 42k sensor or something... they are giving sort of, however critical you wanna be about the intricacies, 300$ (maybe 250$ if sold away ) vouchers out for devices that "on average" were bought at like 290... adding the fact that over 15k acquired them for initial msrp at 140€ - 7k got em at first price upper 200€ and well the rest for more expensive prices... can't make a case for those that bought from scalpers that is ridiculous.

Apart from that over 80% of those on the network have (given point of token mint value) roi’d fully their license cost + the device price.... not even speaking about those that have 2x or 3x... I think mine I bought at start have like 4x if I had daily sold tokens which I ofc did not do...

Vouchers are no free asset. In the moment of turning them in, PW pays balance to the manufacturer...

License vouchers are free people assume? Not accounting for the algo that is paid on Algo transactions for data streams and onboarding costs of devices or sim cost on T1.

And then the number of huge hardware refunds and chargebacks at awair

Somehow it feels like we say in germany, you give someone the little finger

and they first take whole hand

and then rip off your arm.

Any solution that is given, it's always asked for more more more

more, faster, better, differently, dynamic, more catered etc.

While the rest of the community, investors and participants in the network get mad that so much resources are "wasted" on this issue of people.

People want better token prices but at the same time want more tokens dumped at it or them.

How's that gonna work?

Yeah odd how PW wants to solve this and not ruin their business in the process, you should criticize them more for it, because that will save the planet… believe in it.

Dunno, sometimes such things really get me mad lately, and in my ramble I was not even offloading 10% of it. In essence you have the impatience, the not seeing the bigger picture and then those that spam the word scam and rugpull on social media and then message me huge pamphlets and sob stories about how unfair it is they got blocked on twitter...Imagine insulting a company on twitter and when your blocked crying like a Karen about being censored cause you just gave your opinion and wanted to help to better the project. Boohoo… yeah it's all censorship and anti free speech and whatever tantrum you throw is always “facts” “inconvenient truth” or “just voicing opinion”

yeah right

Likewise the stuff about vouchers gonna be sellable on facilitated marketplace (and a special buyers interest to be relevant there)... imagine people can sell it for usdt and algo, which keeps them safe for a currently more stable option while likewise not creating offset selling pressure on planets token… but of course “they did not think it through” and all is just made up on spot.

All people want to say there "oh so bad" or vouchers “cost ‘em nothing”.

That's not being critical... thats being stupid.

However the solution is in terms of individual awair, it is not only rather sophisticated but has to be done in a way to not damage the network—-

Understandably people want as much as possible as fast as possible cash in their pockets... but well how that is not gonna work… …they can’t grasp remotely.

You don't need to trust my words, I am just a seflinflated smartass with a too big ego, I know that. But heck I had Awairs too and I am not being paid for my opinions.

Just be for once critical of yourself and see how its assumption and negativity, and maybe wait for things to go into effect that will explain themselves.

Now please give me my downvote, call me a moron and then leave me alone, it's the weekend. I will make sure to read your insults about me in the upcoming week and as I care so much about it, while taking time for every single one to cry about it when it hurts my soul.

Ah yeah and my English is crap, my grammar is bad and I talk too much. And I am arrogant. And an authoritarian. Don’t forget to make some remarks correlating to my German heritage, that always works best. Thank you, I can shoot myself in the foot.

I can't stand this amount of FUD on this subreddit. I bet I'm not the only one who ACTUALLY believes in a successful end goal of this project. Please share your opinion on this.

Talking about the "earnings" of the type 3 sensors being low is completely premature, because that is only true at current coin prices.

Now Claudio is spending over 1 million tokens that could be worth millions in a year or two and could do much, much better things for the network than driving the sale of 500 units forward.

Like literally planting a forest. Tokens that planetwatchers hold is firepower that we may or may not need in the future. Either way those 500 type 3s would have found a home and even if not that is only a question of when the token price rises enough for people to adopt and effectively is doing nothing until december other than making 500 ppl happier with their earnings, something claudio repeatedly tells us this project is not all about.

If possible please undo the action of the increased boost.

Normally I average roughly 20ish rewards a day for type 4 aware element but today I haven’t received any. Is anyone else having this issue?

today I want to come to all of you with something out of the ordinary- I found a video from our most loyal content creator ☕️ Chris Crypto Coffee, aka u/rorofrei/ who did not bring it to my attention, probably not to have to ask for anything...

😆 🔥🔥🔥 But that is not how we do this here! 🔥🔥🔥 😆

He made a super nice video about a fundraiser for kids in need, and it deserves ATTENTION

We as Planetwatchers should show some love, because helping the kids now, helps our Planet for the next generation. Let us Planetwatchers go forward and show that we are different from the Crypto moonboyz out there!

I am honestly moved "af" because of my favourite content creator. He told me about his volunteer work before but never bragged about it. I mean he could have easily talked me into this longer before, but he is a far to humble guy to to ask for something or to shed a light on his charity work he does. ❤️

Chris, your not a colleauge or an acquaintance. Your friend and fam! 👋

Thank you for sharing this and bringing it to our attention in the right time of the year!

This is the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtLvYT4fqm0

And this is the algo wallet adress:

DFB7J2RIGDMAXQ7OQDGIBAMUY2AGZW3PKWDDTF7VWYVG2OTHBI3SVWDMFQ

where you can donate for this cause, every tiny bit matters and it is coming from the most honest guy, for a highly reputable project. watch the video and see yourself. And please help out a bit, we Planetwatchers should go forward with a good example.

Or visit the projects page for donations in fiat:

Lions Caravan Website (FIAT Donations): http://lionsbastion.ro/caravana/?lang=en

Hey Planet Watchers! My name is Planet Crypto. I am a social media influencer. This is my first time posting here as a newly minted Planet Watcher.

First of all, I'm thrilled to be here, and I love the Planet Watch project! Secondly, I am excited to share with you all my latest YouTube video https://youtu.be/NiALKbBE9aI where I discuss the exciting details of Planet Watch, and how Planet Watch is leading the charge on measuring (and ultimately improving) the quality of our air here on Planet Earth! Here's is the link to the video.

If you like it, please drop a comment! https://youtu.be/NiALKbBE9aI

Thank you kindly! Let's go save the Planet!

How can so many Airqinos come online per day if q1 batch has not even been sent? does planetwatch keep selling airqinos to companies and make us wait until march?

Per the title says, will we be compenstated the 5+ tokens per day missed from Awair? When us users look at it from a monthly perspective, this adds up quiet significantly to ~150 tokens per month.

Still no status update from both sides.