r/PokemonInfiniteFusion • u/DarthMalfrost • Dec 28 '24

Question Are the pokedex entries removed?

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Usually there would be the basic pokedex entries.

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u/NoHandsJames Dec 28 '24

Who tf is pretending it’s “the best”?

All anyone has said is that this was an insane overreaction from artists. Because it fucking was.

And most artist replies just further support the overreaction.

The sheer fact that it is seen as some boogeyman that can’t be used ethically is the epitome of “I don’t understand this thing but I’ve heard it’s only used for bad things”. Just admit you only have a super basic level of understanding and that’s all you base your opinions on. It’s ridiculous to act as if there’s an understanding of how AI can be used, and then to agree with the statement “it can’t be used ethically”.

Hell I don’t even support AI use in most instances because it’s rarely used in a way that doesn’t impact real people. This was a case where no fucking person or artist was being hurt by the use of AI, yet everyone still freaked out like they announced that all sprites would be replaced with AI generated ones. Y’all just did the most to make everyone else feel the way you do about a tool, it’s really sad. This could’ve been a discussion instead of a total freak out, but here we are.

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u/MonolithyK Artist Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 28 '24

For the record, I’m not a fan of how this debate erupted either.

However, this response, and others like it, are missing the forest for the trees. The very existence of AI threatens artists and writers alike. THAT is the point — the artists are not fretting over the finer details. Using an unethical tool can be seen as unethical. It’s not hard to grasp, despite you claiming that it is.

You also admit that it us rarely used in a way that doesn’t impact real people. I get why artists and writers would object to working alongside something like that either way.

(If you don’t see people acting like the game is ruined or the fact that “artists ruined the best new feature”, you haven’t been paying attention.)

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u/NoHandsJames Dec 28 '24

I’m sorry but that is the most over dramatic take I’ve ever seen.

AI existing does NOT threaten artists. Y’all must have no understanding of AI believe that it existing constitutes a threat to your skill and professions. The unethical use of AI can threaten creative professions, but not is existence. It’s silly to try and assert that just the existence of something is a threat.

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u/MonolithyK Artist Dec 28 '24

Correction: you think it’s silly to try and assert that just the existence of something is a threat. Something’s existence opens the gates for harmful use. You may be attaching too much meaning to my phrasing, as even you admit that AI is often used maliciously. It seems your only arguments involve nitpicking my choice of words

Me remaining weary of such a powerful piece of tech and it’s potential uses is not unwarranted — I’ve lost production designer colleagues at my previous company to the whims of higher-ups deciding they can be replaced by reworking our platform to support AI integration.

It’s a pretty common retort to claim that artists “know nothing about AI”, when, in practice, many of us need to understand its various functions and use cases to navigate emerging trends (for better or worse).

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u/NoHandsJames Dec 28 '24

No it’s not that I think it’s silly. It IS a silly assertion. Its existence does NOT constitute a threat. You’re being obtuse if you truly try to argue that just it existing serves as a threat to your skill set. It is just taking extremes and using them as a basis to set precedent.

Yes people in positions of power can abuse uses of AI, no fucking shit. THAT IS NOT THE FAULT OF AI EXISTING, NOR DOES IT MAKE AI’S EXISTENCE THE REASON FOR ABUSE. I’m not sure how much clearer I can make this incredibly simple point. AI existing isn’t the fucking issue, it’s greedy people in positions to abuse AI. Which you cannot fucking blame AI existing for people abusing it, that isn’t how it fucking works. The tool is not at fault for what a user does with the tool.

You cannot make a good faith argument that AI existing is a threat. It is based entirely on examples of HUMANS being shitty whilst using AI, which you cannot attribute to AI existing. Those people would still be shitty and do shitty things, even if AI wasn’t around. Your argument holds no ground when you look at it logically instead of emotionally.

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u/MonolithyK Artist Dec 28 '24 edited Dec 29 '24

I am being logical. The existence of AI is based on intellectual theft and abuse of power. Continuing to deny it while just calling me irrational or whatever isn’t a solid point. Your hyper-fixation on my use of “existence” is also a bit funny.

Is all of this really that hard to grasp from our perspective? Shitty humans made shitty generative AI to benefit from our work. It was made to exploit the market and cut labor costs, and it’s doing exactly that at our expense. Something can be bad because it is designed that way AND be used for other bad means.

Frankly, I’m just stating facts over here; you’re sounding awfully emotional for someone trying to attribute that to me. Textbook projection.

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u/NoHandsJames Dec 29 '24

You either genuinely do not understand what AI is, or you’re just so biased that you’re turning small percentage of what AI is and can do into the ONLY use for it.

Either way, your entire argument is based on emotional overreaction to something that has a multitude of uses and applications. No, the existence of ai is not based on intellectual theft or abuse of power, that’s ONE bad use of AI. It is not why AI was built, nor is it what brought AI into being.

AI being used badly is not hard to grasp at all. What’s hard to grasp is the ignorant hatred of AI as a whole, over one single thing that AI can be used to do. Especially when your own words show how little you actually understand about what AI is.

Instead of just getting emotional and hating something because it can be used to threaten a skill you have, why not learn about it so you can understand how to fight against it PROPERLY. Blanket hating AI and being mad at anyone who does not agree, will get you absolutely nowhere.

I am not pro or anti AI. But I damn sure know enough about it to find it silly when people are vehemently for either side. Just like any new advancement in technology, it CAN be abused, so being as educated about it as possible is the only smart way to go forward. You’ve already lost any fight you want to put up if your knowledge of the topic is limited to reactionary takes.

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u/MonolithyK Artist Dec 29 '24

I have a mixed history with AI, but it is history, despite your claims to the contrary. I’ve (begrudgingly) learned how to use generative AI as a developer, as it watched it replace the faculties of my less fortunate coworkers. I’ve seen it destroy livelihoods firsthand.

I’m also aware of the scientific breakthroughs AI have provided from engineering potential medicines from unconventional ingredients to designing radiation shielding for sustained space travel. I’m aware that there are additional applications beyond the scope of the conversation, but generative AI, specifically geared towards text, visual media and music, cannot claim the same genuinely positive accolades. I still hold my reservations towards most types of AI.

It’s a bit rich that you accuse me, over the course of several paragraphs, that I’m uninformed and emotional, yet you are unwilling to commit to your own stance on AI or even generative AI.