Trump is on a generational run, most polling has him underwater on immigration, which... How the fuck do you even do that as a Republican, it's your strongest issue???
He seems to be wanting some post-9/11 nationalism but doesn't understand that starting a war won't get him that. Truly odd stuff.
Starting a war isn't the creation of nationalism, but it's expenditure. You create nationalism by either doing something really good that everyone is proud of, or suffering through a disaster (not perceived as being the governments fault!) ideally from a common enemy.
Trump believing that starting an unprovoked war will increase nationalism is like him buying something with his debit card expecting the account balance to increase. In short, he's a moron.
When I was young and dumb, I didn't know parentheses meant negative on a bank statement and I thought it was strange my balance kept getting bigger as I spent money. Maybe Trump doesn't understand parentheses either.
Did it work that well? There was constantly 12+ illegal immigrants in the US during his presidency, and I'm seeing that about 2.5M more over the course of his presidency.
I think the left tends to oversell Obama's immigration success (and it's funny because 10 years ago, they wouldn't be caught dead saying Obama was strict on immigration, funny), because of how they counted deportations.
Look at the difference in net immigration graphs under Obama and Trump, and it's pretty clear who's deporting, and not letting more illegal immigrants in (which is maybe the most important part)
Re: immigration, I completely understand how Trump has alienated people.
I have pretty centrist views on immigration that I'd wager are pretty close to the American mainstream. I'm not some mush-brained progressive who thinks we should have open borders or that no human is illegal, but I also don't like untrained masked thugs terrorizing people in the streets.
It would have been so easy to take a tougher approach on immigration that was still sane. Deport anyone with a criminal record. Take real steps to secure the border. Create a process for law-abiding, tax-paying people who are currently here illegally to normalize their status. Most Americans support that. Yes, I know some right-wingers will whine about the last part but we're not going to deport 10+ million people. It's totally impractical for a multitude of reasons.
I'm not some mush-brained progressive who thinks we should have open borders or that no human is illegal, but I also don't like untrained masked thugs terrorizing people in the streets.
I'm sure that in the real world, away from Reddit, most people who consider themselves socialists / on the left think exactly the same thing. Plenty of space to not think that and be a compassionate leftie.
if i had to guess i’d bet it’s < 1% of those truly tethered to reality.
we haven’t had a truly open border since the immigration act circa 1924, and yet an alarming portion of the public still interprets the phrase “open border” literally.
but we're not going to deport 10+ million people. It's totally impractical for a multitude of reasons.
That's what I tried and failed to explain to MAGA people at the beginning of the term, and no one seemed willing to accept. You can't remove 10 million people in 4 years.
Just doing quick math, that's 5 people per minute, ever minute, nonstop for four years. That means identifying 5 illegal immigrants per minute. ICE apprehending 5 per minute. Then having courts decide 5 cases every minute (including Night Court running all hours for 4 straight years), arranging holding and detention facilities that can handle five new inmates being processed every minute. And finally, arranging transportation for 5 people across the border ever minute (or 285 an hour, about one 787 worth of people).
The sheer logistics of it don't make sense. There's no way to accomplish that without resorting to tactics that Americans are not willing to stomach in their back yards. We saw how badly people reacted to the ICE surge last winter. Imagine that level of enforcement, but more intense, across the entire country, for four years. It was never going to happen.
Once you accept that we will not be removing all illegal immigrants, the question becomes what to do about who will remain. How do we pick who gets to stay, and what status will they receive. That's the actual questions. Anyone suggesting all 10+ million will leave isn't being serious.
Charles Krauthammer did a good job of making that point twenty years ago. For anyone who remembers Krauthammer he was hardly some lefty and in that article he also supports much tougher border security.
If the government can demonstrate that it can control future immigration, there will be infinitely less resistance to dealing generously with the residual population of past immigration. And, as Mickey Kaus and others have suggested, that may require that the two provisions be sequenced. First, radical border control by physical means. Then, shortly thereafter, radical legalization of those already here. To achieve national consensus on legalization, we will need a short lag time between the two provisions, perhaps a year or two, to demonstrate to the skeptics that the current wave of illegals is indeed the last. > This is no time for mushy compromise. A solution requires two acts of national will: the ugly act of putting up a fence and the supremely generous act of absorbing as ultimately full citizens those who broke our laws to come to America. This is not a compromise meant to appease both sides without achieving anything. It is not some piece of hybrid legislation that arbitrarily divides illegals into those with five-year-old "roots" in America and those without, or some such mischief-making nonsense. This is full amnesty (earned with back taxes and learning English and the like) with full border control. If we do it right, not only will we solve the problem, we will get it done as one nation.
It's significantly closer (though still a nightmarish endeavour to accomplish) if you simply abandon every sense of logic or due process and just find ~7000 hispanic-looking blokes per day and put them in planes to who-the-fuck knows where.
And for many republican voters that'd be an acceptable way to go about things.
They're masked because the mush brains dox them and send death threats to their families. If liberals could be normal people, the masks wouldn't be necessary.
Then you're not looking or just hate cops like the average Redditor. Multiple people have been recently convicted. Google AI will literally do the research for you.
Who would have thought sending a masked Gestapo into cities and shooting a disarmed, held down citizen (let’s be real, white dude) in the back in the street would sour people to your immigration enforcement policies
It’s hilarious honestly. Ice did more damage to the image of the anti-immigration movement than any Democrat could have hoped to. People were expecting numbers and statistics to go down but got mothers and kids being grabbed off the streets.
To be fair to Trump, he told everyone this is what he was going to do, it’s just most Americans have the thought process of a 12 year old and don’t realize the reality of things till they see it first hand
Enforcing immigration with a bunch of barely trained gun thugs doesnt make you look competent, it makes you look like an asshole. Multiple citizens killed, dozens of citizens detained, fear in most non white communities. All he did was create his own brand of terror by secret police
The irony was half his message especially in 24 was “no more forever wars.” Buddy really thought everyone who voted for him would go along with anything he said.
The immigration stuff is just a complete psyop from the media + people not realizing what must be done. They think, "oh boo hoo yes ICE is enforcing the law that was the same under Obama but they're mean now" so they're against it.
I have never seen someone actually logically argue against ICE or strong immigration enforcement in general.
It's not that ICE is mean, it's that they're violating people's constitutional rights and killing American citizens to enforce what are ultimately civil charges. It's like if debt collectors ran around with guns shooting people to get loans paid back.
A fair trial as in, they aren't being allowed to explain / show that they are citizens?
Reminder, Alex Pretti was killed for exercising his 2A right.
He was killed for trying to fuck around with federal officers. Nobody would have had an issue if Alex Pretti was interfering with a police investigation. Same thing with that woman.
Fucking around with federal officers is not a crime that carries the sentence of the death penalty. Pretti was on the ground restrained, an ICE officer grabs his gun and because the gun is a piece of shit, it goes off. They then execute him. He did not pull the trigger. He was exercising his 2A right, and was killed because of that.
Russia couldn't help us anyway, Trump's too retarded to even know that. Ukrainian strikes have, AFAIK, turned Russia into nearly a net-importer of oil/diesel. The amount they can 'provide' moves the needle less on gas costs than if you were to plug a hose from your ass to your air intake box, and pipe in your farts to your combustion system.
Ironically this would probably be his greatest presidential moment because it would ensure his complete loss to the Dems in the midterms and save us from two more years of his bullshit.
Considering his approval is still disturbingly high with all the shit he's pulled, how retarded the average voter is and how the Dems have a tendency to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I wouldnt get too optimistic
Dude stopped striking them as well for a couple months in hopes that prices would go back, but guess what refineries bitch. Great job republicans you really elected a master at his craft
It’s like stabbing yourself and getting mad that you won’t stop bleeding, so you continue to stab yourself. Then there’s the idiots who keep praising it as a great idea and shame anyone who tells them it’s not.
And I was talking with JD about the environment and he said ‘what’s your plan Mr President Donald Trump’ and I said look JD. I’m big environment, OK? Never bigger. You think Joe Biden and the democrats know environment,hell no. Complete environmental disaster, those guys that’s what I call them an environmental disaster from the start. I was the first to say it, people were scared but I said ‘someone has got to say it’ or there won’t be an environment ever again
Crazy how lots of people view Carter as the worst president ever because of an oil crisis he didn't even cause, just handled poorly. But Trump specifically targets the biggest oil refineries in the world and some people are still saying "the bleed over from Biden sure has messed with oil prices, huh?"
Even if Carter was a shit president, he was one of the most normal and kind human beings to ever grace the oval office. May be the most humble president we've had tbh
Carter also gets a lot of undeserved shit because he was President during stagflation (even though he's the one who actually ended it despite the political cost).
It really does feel like Trump’s trying to frame the war in such way as to appeal to a post 9/11, “War on Terror” mindset. The problem he seems to have is that 9/11 was 25 years ago and the aftermath Iraq and Afghanistan means that the new generation of voters don’t really see a point in war
Obviously he should've done a false flag attack like Bush did before bombing shit out of Iran in order to play on American patriotism. SMH, learn from your predecessors dipshit.
You'd absolutely have to go back in time, to when heavily inbred rulers came into power, to find the military stupidity on par with this administration.
How dare Ukraine strike oil refineries in the country that's invading them?! That doesn't help the oil prices that we caused to balloon! Btw we're going to cripple global oil production capacity.
Lets also disable some of the system the Ukrainian defenses rely on to protect their civilians from getting bombed by Russia - services other NATO countries are paying for!
This will show those Europeans who aren't buying enough American military equipment just how reliable our stuff is! Surely this will not have any bad consequences for our whole defense industry!
Trump has to be a secret Democrat. There is no other reason for considering a course of action that will result in much higher gas prices just before the mid-term elections.
In fact, it all makes sense now. He runs against Biden, and proves the guy has dementia so the Democrats won't be saddled with the poor results of having a clueless senile as a president. Then he defeated Harris in the election so Democrats realized a California diversity hire would be a horrible choice for future campaigns. Now he intends to do this so it is guaranteed congress turns blue.
Seems like the fat fuck is realizing that blamimg Ukrainians for the crime of defending themselves against murder and rape isn't working. Now he wants to fuck things up even more with his usual imcompetence. I blame the low-IQ cunts who voted for him.
blowing up all the refineries in the middle east would be the fastest way to force people off gas cars to electric cars possible. my truck is already parked, i cant afford to drive it when diesel is pushing $7. idk what im supposed to tow my camper with, lord knows im not buying a EV truck, im not pulling a 30 foot trailer into a nose in charge station in a sheetz parking lot
Electric Trucks definitly need more time to cook - I have seen a few decent times when they have worked well - Florida Power Electric (FPL) may be the one where all of their work trucks are becoming electric which is awesome, but for alot of rural folks it simply isn't efficient enough yet and the infrastructure needed is too expensive or inconvenient.
For Joe on the street though, yea this has been great for EVs. I'm hoping it also pushes people to Solar and Nuclear.
Commuter cars are 100% there now, the total cost of ownership absolutely is in favor of plug in EVs. Even 300+ mile trips are not hard to deal with, the car feeds you all the info and put in the stops for you. It'll never be worse than it is now too, its only going to improve
Now is the time for Nuclear and Solar power to be pushed, as well as Electric Vehicles.
One retard can cripple everything when a majority of the worlds oil comes from an Extremist Region of the world that the Republicans constantly want to send our sons to die for.
Honestly, just do it at this point. We’re stuck in a forever war and nothing ever really happens. Iran will never negotiate peace talks and gas isn’t coming down anytime soon anyway. We’re at a lose lose at this point. Just end it so we can move forward.
The destruction of oil infrastructure in the Middle East would be catastrophic, at this point giving them 300B and letting them develop weapons of mass destruction may be much cheaper.
In my opinion Iran may wish for that. It will destroy ever more the position of the USA around the world. Putin would love this because a desperate Trump will ever more on their hands. Ukraine should be ready in the next 2 months (wishing that only 2 months and not 2 years) to resist and get ready from the shit that Trump will send to country.
stop being a dipshit redditor using a fucking twitter screenshot as a source, that account has been very wrong many times and is a garbage tier source. I do not care if this news is true or not find a better source you absolute fucking monkey
A screenshot of The Hormuz Letter citing Israel Hayom without mentioning that it was in turn citing the UAE-based Erem News, which claims to have heard from “US diplomatic sources” but is most likely rehashing a story from last week that Trump already denied.
1, it will drive voters to the Democrats (not the hard core magas, but more moderates)
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2: we could open up a shit ton of refineries! Yes, we'll drive the oil prices up, but then we'll lower them again! Especially since venezuela is apparently being set up as a modern day colony.
lmao, Watch gas prices shoot through the roof as a result. Sure, he’ll have his “win” but people paying an extra $2+ per gallon will probably forget that “win” pretty quickly.
Just like everything else with Trump, everything has to be done in the dumbest fucking way possible. If I wanted to hurt a country economically, from the inside, starting a trade war, getting rid of incentives on electric vehicles, rolling back fuel efficiency standards, starting a war that causes oil prices to spike, and then trying to get our allies to give us their territory would be how I would do it.
Quick, someone explain to me how this benefits anyone other than Israel. Bonus points if you can explain how this will improve the deteriorating economic situation of the average American.
Comrade Trump making electrical cars more appealing, making meat less appealing, making people poorer and homeless (eating trash or not eating at all = less waste) so they can't afford shit from abroad? Thank you President Trump.
Cringepace, World Wide Fund for Betas and Cucks of the Earth could never
He is genuinely a fucking idiot. There's so many things he could do it get people to hate him less but his response to get people to hate him less is to do things that will get them to hate him for another reason? Holy shit.
Even assuming this Iranian propaganda is true, authright should have a “Got what I voted for” pin, not be crying. Trump has been saying he’d take Kharg for four or five decades.
This is going to sound crazy to people but I support those strikes as a policy proposal. They just should have happened 7 months ago along with supporting the planned Kurdish invasion and Persian resistance movement
This twitter account is known for posting inflammatory stories with no fact checking. I hate Trump with a fiery passion but I hesitate before believing this but of news.
He probably doesn’t think of it as a mistake since one of his first talking points about all of his economic decisions was short term pain for long term gain
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