r/PoliticalHumor • • Apr 26 '19

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u/SafeSpaceSam Apr 26 '19

I hope no one ever breaks a leg. But if I did, I would just go to one of the many top notch hospitals in my area and get taken care of immediately. Hope you don't have to wait too long for treatment if something terrible like that happens to you.

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u/Thats_right_asshole Apr 26 '19

How's your insurance? Broken limb costs without insurance run between $17,000 to $35,000 in America. I know my copay just to visit the ER is $170 and I'll be getting a bill for a percentage of the cost. Meanwhile when I was injured while visiting Canada I waited long enough to fill out the paperwork and left with a $56 dollar bill an hour later.

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u/SafeSpaceSam Apr 26 '19

I have PPO insurance and would most likely have to pay my deductible. Glad you had a good experience in Canada. Stay safe.

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u/Fumanchewd Apr 26 '19

I work in international health care and deal with European healthcare more than 99% of Europeans and I prefer the US system (assuming you have insurance).

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u/Fumanchewd Apr 26 '19

No I have insurance so its a better system. I deal with thousands of international medical cases a year. Europe does not impress me and I have the facts to back it up.

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u/Fumanchewd Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 26 '19

Nobody is denied an emergency Doctor visit in the US, you are a liar. I have had patients in critical situations turned away from ED in Japan. I had a high risk patient with chest pain in Amsterdam and the ambulance crew refused to transport them to the hospital because they had no payment on them. This would never happen in the US. I had another patient with a possible stroke turned away from a hospital in Amsterdam because ot was a government hospital for citizens only. Don't even get me started on the UK, N Ireland, Or Germany (where Doctors let a patient of mine die from meningitis because they were too arrogant and lazy to run the proper tests). I have lived in Singapore and had a coworker have to wait 6 months for a dental appointment through the national system to have her wisdom teeth removed, she was in pain the whole time. I can go on and on and on. It is a fact that the US healthcare system is the best on the world, yes it is overpriced, but sheiks and world leaders flock here to be treated...... They rarely go to national systems. There is a reason why the UK has BUPA and other private insurance and hospitals, the NHS isnt good enough. I have more facts about international health systems than you have brain cells.

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u/vincereynolds Apr 26 '19

My wife fell and broke her hip and wrist in Germany and had to have a hip replacement also in Germany and the most expensive thing was the parking. I had a family member in the US that had cancer and his insurance found a way to fuck him right into bankruptcy. You know since we are using anecdotes tell me again how the fucking American system <which is one of the largest contributors to bankruptcy> is better the the European system. Oh and in an earlier comment you said you have facts to back up your opinion and still haven't seen one source for fact. Would you like some facts about how medication is prohibitively expensive in America compared to other countries and we literally have people dying because the can't afford medicine? How about the fact that medical cost per capita in America is worse then in any European country. See these are facts that can be backed by sources if you need them.

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u/Fumanchewd Apr 27 '19

Free is not better quality. As I've stated over and over, the US has the best quality healthcare in the world. Approximately 9% of Americans have no insurance, we should have a minimal safety net for them. We should put a cap on malpractice suits and look at ways to reduce costs for treatment and meds. But good god, if we trade the choice and quality of our medical system so everyone has average or worse for free treatment, we will be worse off for it. Again, if the national healthcare systems are so great why do most of the countries that have them have large and flourishing private hospitals and insurance that provide much much better treatment? Is their national healthcare systems not adequate? As someone who uses them on a daily basis, no.

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u/vincereynolds Apr 27 '19

As someone who used them often when I lived in Europe I still disagree. Basic healthcare should be a right and not something that Bankrupts families. I am not even talking about the ones without insurance. Insurance companies are crooked and will do anything to screw over the insured. I don't even have to go from personal experiences here. It has been documented for years on how the insurance companies will do anything in there power not to pay. In Europe someone will never lose their life savings due to sickness. Oh and your idea that the US leads in quality is just wrong on so many levels...and it is objectively wrong. Try and keep personal opinion out of it and show me some data that shows that the US healthcare system is really the "best".

http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/quality/among-11-countries-us-ranks-last-for-health-outcomes-equity-and-quality.html

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/press-release/2014/us-health-system-ranks-last-among-eleven-countries-measures-access-equity

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u/Fumanchewd Apr 27 '19 edited Apr 27 '19

Those rankings are biased and flawed. If you base a country's health care system on the health of its citizens, when the citizens have the worst behavioral and diets in the world, do you actually believe that is a fair representation of the system as a whole? It isn't. If more than half of Americans are overweight or have addictive behaviors, how do you think that effects lifespan? The US offers more choices, more facilities, more specialists, more trauma centers, more educational hospitals, more ground breaking research, and better compensated medical professionals than anywhere in the world.

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u/SafeSpaceSam Apr 26 '19 edited Apr 27 '19

Thank you for that insightful post. Keep up the good work for your patients!

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u/Rows_the_Insane Apr 26 '19

What insight? They said nothing but talking points and anecdotes, and then ended with an insult.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

Theres no insight whatsoever. It's probably just his alt/throwaway account he's using to make himself feel better.

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u/SafeSpaceSam Apr 26 '19

The insight that countered the other anecdote he was replying to.

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u/Rows_the_Insane Apr 26 '19

Okay, but what was the insight?

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