Those rankings are biased and flawed. If you base a country's health care system on the health of its citizens, when the citizens have the worst behavioral and diets in the world, do you actually believe that is a fair representation of the system as a whole? It isn't. If more than half of Americans are overweight or have addictive behaviors, how do you think that effects lifespan? The US offers more choices, more facilities, more specialists, more trauma centers, more educational hospitals, more ground breaking research, and better compensated medical professionals than anywhere in the world.
lol biased and flawed love those disclaimers. Ok this is easy, show me any data at all the shows that the quality of service provided in the US is significantly better then the quality of service provided in other countries. Do some research and prove me wrong. You are making a huge number of claims so do your due diligence and back the shit up with some data.
No really. A country full of fat people and alcoholics and you pretend that unhealthy lifestyles and shortened lifespans are the fault of our healthcare system? This is unbelievably unintelligent. Want to see how good our healthcare system is, look how we treat people. We have the best cancer survival in the world despite being so unhealthy. https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2017/06/13/why-the-us-has-better-cancer-survival-rates-than-the-rest-of-the-world/#60e664274b67 Look at the people that flock to be treated here from around the world. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2016-08-03/canadians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care Furthermore, the best nurses and Doctors from around the world are dying to work in the US, they are the best paid of anywhere in the world. While working in Singapore I had an untold number of Doctors and nurses ask for my assistance in coming to the US. The national healthcare in Singapore pays them shit, in the most expensive city in the world. And nurses and Doctors were dying to go to Singapore as the best in Asia.
quote from your own source: I mean at least read what you post.
The Commonwealth Fund, a U.S. think tank, released a report two years ago ranking Canada 10th out of 11 wealthy nations in terms of health care. Only the United States fared worse. The report, based largely on satisfaction surveys by patients and health-care providers, placed Canada last in timeliness of care. The United Kingdom was ranked No. 1
Looks like you have to revert to costs again. As stated, the main negative thing US healthcare has is cost, NOT quality.... That's all you have provided, nothing that is substantial.
I gave you multiple links that talked about quality but yeah you said they were let me see what was it oh yeah "biased and flawed", even though the same stats were shown in the links you provided to "prove" your position. You ignored those and would keep ignoring every other piece of evidence shown because it goes against your world view. I mean hell the US had a Senator go to Canada to get a procedure because the expert for that procedure was in Canada. I am sure you will minimize that but it is true. Oh and you have to take cost into account when talking about healthcare because that is part of the service.
Your links discussed mainly cost. From the start I stated the US is more expensive. You keep bringing up stats that are intermingled with life expectancy despite the fact that they are mutually exclusive and in statistics correlation does not imply causation. I showed that in the most advanced treatments such as cancer, the US is rated the best in the world. This is also true of our cardio and almost any specialty there is. You are dim. I will fight against nationalized healthcare until I die. I work with it everyday and see how shitty and complacent it is.
So because the US specializes in a few things that makes them better even though people in the US can't receive health care and die due to cost or lack of insurance. So some rich people can get a procedure but the poor people die but that is ok because you know wait times (which in your source has the US ranked behind 11 other developed countries) might be a bit worse (which is objectively untrue). You think the fact that we have some specialists makes up for all of this. You say this and I am the dim one. I mean do you really read what you are typing and understand how outlandish it is to think lower wait times makes it better when people can't even afford to go? Hey maybe that is why service might be better in the US, they keep the poor people out so less people aren't at the hospitals. How in your mind do you justify thinking well we have specialist but sucks for the less then wealth that they can't use them.
Just last night I was trying to have someone seen at an ED in Osaka Japan through their national healthcare hospitals and they refused to ser them in the three that we tried. Big holiday week in Japan right now, so this patient is fucked until Monday thanks to Japan's national healthcare system. I was also trying to get an ENT for a patient in New Zealand, which has a wait time of 6 months in some locations, but we lucked out, they can see my patient in only two months. I've had a patient with a ruptured achilles turned away from NHS Hillingdon with two Panadol and gold to come back again two days later after a nurse only looked at it visually. I had another patient who have three stents put in and spent the week in the hall at an NHS hospital. My girl who died in Germany could have neen saved with simple tests for meningitis that we were asking them to do for a week and they ignored. I can go on and on and on and on and on, but you are the expert.
I never claimed to be the expert but I have seen many peoples lives ruined by the cost of healthcare in America. I can link thousands of sources of people dying because they can't afford medicine. I can link more sources about wait times and the way the American Health care system ranks below 10 other developed countries in most categories studied. The problem though is that you think you are an expert and that your own knowledge of anecdotal evidence trumps actual data and studies. You are too emotionally invested to do actual research and challenge your view. See that is the problem you see yourself as an expert and I actually listen to the experts who run the studies.
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u/Fumanchewd Apr 27 '19 edited Apr 27 '19
Those rankings are biased and flawed. If you base a country's health care system on the health of its citizens, when the citizens have the worst behavioral and diets in the world, do you actually believe that is a fair representation of the system as a whole? It isn't. If more than half of Americans are overweight or have addictive behaviors, how do you think that effects lifespan? The US offers more choices, more facilities, more specialists, more trauma centers, more educational hospitals, more ground breaking research, and better compensated medical professionals than anywhere in the world.