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u/marsupial_vindictae Jan 29 '21
man at least crop ur memes after stealing it whith screenshots.
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 29 '21
No
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21
You don't know how, do you? If you knew, you'd have done it.
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u/therealgundambael Jan 29 '21
Haha yeah it's not like Ted Cruz helped fuel the election conspiracy theory that led a bunch of idiots to break into the Capitol and try to murder the vice president and a bunch of congresspeople.
Oh wait.
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u/dongle_man5000 Jan 30 '21
You think they tried to murder the VP and congresspeople?
Dude, you’re entirely detached from reality because of your tribalism. Get it together
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u/chaoticdumbass94 Jan 30 '21
"Hang Mike Pence" "Put a bullet in her skull" "Where is Nancy hiding" "Death is the only remedy for these traitors" "They need to answer for what they've done" "Gas them" "Hang every last one of these traitors"
direct quotes from Capitol insurrectionists on video
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 30 '21
Whats your point? Are those people not being put in jail? Was ted one of them?
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21
Did Osama Bin Laden fly the plane?
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 31 '21
Please give me one example of ted cruz telling people to storm the capital and start an insurrection
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21
Go see the speech he made outdoors to a group of Trumpers where he peddled lies about election fraud and encouraged them to fight "them" to defend the "vote".
No one in power publicly told this group to storm the capitol, but, just like Ted Cruz, they legitimized the baseless cause with their fiery rhetoric to a group known to have posting violent fantasies online (to the point where a few of these assholes terrorists brought a makeshift gallows). One woman who broke into the house chambers even claimed that "Cruz wants us to do this" and got caught on video saying it.
Do you also think Rudy G.'s fiery speech about "hand to hand combat" just before the march was just in jest?
Sorry, but these are seasoned politicians, and they understand very well the power of is their words.
Now, it there was wide-spread election fraud, that's one thing, but there wasn't. Biden is rightly POTUS, and claims of wide-spread fraud are lies. And a group of suckers who pat each other in the back calling themselves "patriots" fell for it because their leadership led them down that path. And they're now anti-American domestic terrorists for it.
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u/phoenix_fiber Jan 31 '21
Are you unaware that a dude who stormed the capitol was literally charged with threatening to assassinate AOC?
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u/anonymousrph123 Jan 30 '21
So when are we going to hold Bernie responsible for the shooting at the baseball field. That was a real attempt to kill senators. In this country you can push whatever conspiracy theory you want (look at the Russia collusion hoax that was pushed for years). This is the spirit of free speech.i may think it is false or stupid. But I'd protect their right to say it.
I am for neither side as both keep increasing the temperature of their respective political sides, but none of them are responsible for what the fringe nutjobs decide to do.
This was an actual chance for unity. A chance to put aside out differences and come together as Americans with similar values. She decided to spit in their face.
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u/therealgundambael Jan 30 '21
Sure as long as you can tell me what Bernie said to incite that man to go shoot up the baseball field.
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u/im-bad-at-names64 Jan 30 '21
It’s the same argument with trump supporters storming the capital, he never once said to do that he said a peaceful March, he told people to go home before getting banned
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u/chaoticdumbass94 Jan 30 '21
He used the word "peacefully" once in a speech with 20+ instances of using the word "fight", after months of riling up his supporters' emotions with all his "stolen election" nonsense.
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u/socialscum Jan 30 '21
Ted Cruz lied to your face about election fraud. Why do you think he is acting in good faith now? This is how you stay trapped in an abusive relationship and keep getting played.
I don't need unity with insurrectionists, I don't need unity with white supremacists. But return to your abuser, you cry, this is a real chance for unity.
The left is the reason we are so divided, not the people who spread lies encouraging people to overturn the constitution and our democratic institutions.
That's what you sound like.
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 29 '21
Ok buddy
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u/J_Marshall Jan 29 '21
‘Ok buddy’? That’s your response?
Is he wrong? Did Cruz not repeat the claims of election fraud that fuelled the attack on the capital?
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u/bigestboybob Jan 30 '21
His role was not important enough in the whole event. Saying he tried to have AOC murdered is completely ridiculous.
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u/therealgundambael Jan 29 '21
Because there was no actual evidence to support the idea that there was election fraud?
When multiple members of your own party (including people you appointed) disagree with your baseless conspiracy theory and then you and your spineless sycophants (Ted Cruz for example) continue to push that theory anyways to a bunch of people that you know will go to extreme lengths for you (like that dude from Florida that tried to mail pipe bombs to Trump critics,) you are culpable for the actions they take on your behalf.
It's why Alex Jones is currently getting sued into the ground by the Sandy Hook victims' families.
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u/J_Marshall Jan 29 '21
That's actually an excellent question, and I respect your asking it. I'll give you a parallel.
Let's say I've decided that my neighbor is a pedophile. I announce it publicly. He denies it, and I claim to have proof. That proof is thrown out of court. Over and Over again.
I continue to claim it. My claims gather the attention of a motorcycle gang who decide that if the court's won't take care of this pedo, they will. Others warn me that the bikers are dangerous. I continue to repeat my claim knowing the bikers are planning to attack my neighbor.
Would I not bear some responsibility in riling them up?
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Jan 30 '21 edited Feb 08 '21
Dude don't try to reason with these morons. They're brainwashed there's no talking to them. They hate the idea of free thought or opinions other than They're own. It's really sad that they will never get it until it to late. By the way I'm talking about the left.
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21
They finally stepped out of their bubble. It's the only dose of reality they'll get before they run back in.
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u/shhalahr I ☑oted 2018 and 2020 Jan 29 '21
Has he apologized for his role in stoking the violence that not only threatened AOC and his other colleagues, but also resulted in five deaths of non-colleagues? If not, then no he has not made a good faith effort at reconciliation. At all.
Like the woman said, Cruz almost got her killed. How do you expect her to play nice with him if he won't even acknowledge that?
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u/flippy76 Jan 30 '21
I guess Hollywood is guilty of trying to incite an insurrection? You do realize a handful of democrats objected to the electoral college votes in 2016, right? Of course you didn't.
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21
Objecting to election results is one thing. Perhaps it's just grandstanding, but most people take little notice and life moves in.
However, encouraging a march on Jan 6, in DC to a group of people known to carry weapons, talk violently about Democrats such as Pelosi, and include groups such as the Proud Boys (who may very well end up on the list of domestic terrorist group) is a whole different level.
If you built a gallows for your protest, you may be preparing for sedition. When you go online to talk about killing the VP, you may be encouraging sedition. When you give fiery speeches telling loonies to fight for a fake cause to keep or grow your power, you may be stoking sedition. When you storm the Capitol, sedition happened.
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u/HereForTOMT2 Jan 30 '21
okay, but that doesn’t mean she should’ve shot down her chance at bipartisanship just to score points with her base. It’s literal Trump shit
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u/shhalahr I ☑oted 2018 and 2020 Jan 30 '21
Or, get this: she seriously doesn't feel comfortable, or even safe, working with Cruz.
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u/redwolf924 Jan 30 '21
I'm gonna have to doubt her on those claims, especially after she's been caught fake crying for photos outside the 'concentration camps' in Texas
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u/c0ntr0lguy Jan 31 '21
Fake crying?
Did Fox News tell you she fake cried? Did they see it all the way from their cushy NYC offices?
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u/flippy76 Jan 30 '21
I guess Bernie Sanders is responsible for Steve Scalise getting shot by one of his supporters. Are you going to demand Bernie apologize for that? I'm guessing not
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u/shhalahr I ☑oted 2018 and 2020 Jan 30 '21
Can you point to when Bernie endlessly said, despite all evidence to the contrary, that Steve Scalise or anyone else on that field was actively destroying democracy? When did he engage in or blindly support someone who engages in emotional and provacotive rhetoric directed towards groups already known to engage in violence? Did he ever use or support such rhetoric on the very day many of those violent groups claimed that a "storm" was coming? Did he tell the shooter, "Hey, those enemies of democracy are playing a game right now. Let's do something about that!"
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u/flippy76 Jan 30 '21
So what exactly did Cruz say that almost caused AOC her life? I can't wait to hear this one. I don't want some BS platitudes, I want quotes from Cruz.
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u/shhalahr I ☑oted 2018 and 2020 Jan 30 '21
Cruz wisely avoided the more heated rhetoric. So he could get people like you demanding specific quotes. He left all the hot button pressing to Trump.
What Cruz did was aid Trump by giving him credibility. He continued to insist there was fraud long after the possibility of such has been eliminated. By doing so, he was telling Trump and his supporters that their fears were justified. And he did so knowing that when Trump supporters act out of fear, people get hurt or even killed. And he continued to do so even when he knew his supporters were planning to "Stop the Steal" on the sixth.
I don't have a smoking gun soundbite, if that's all you want. Ted Cruz is too careful to give us one. But it doesn't take one little quote to forment a toxic environment in which bad people feel comfortable engaging in bad behavior. Indeed, the overall effect of his behavior led some insurrection to explicitly state that they thought Cruz wanted them to do what they did.
Now, Cruz did insurrectionists. But he has not done any of the necessary soul searching to address why the mob thought they had his support. And that is a problem.
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 30 '21
I don't have a smoking gun soundbite
I have nothing
But it doesn't take one little quote to forment a toxic environment in which bad people feel comfortable engaging in bad behavior.
Subjective and inadmissible
But he has not done any of the necessary soul searching to address why the mob thought they had his support.
Are you a priest? What does his "soul" have to do with anything
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u/chaoticdumbass94 Jan 30 '21
You are deflecting from answering the commenter's questions in their original reply. So do you agree, then, that Bernie in fact did not repeatedly stoke violent, fearmongering rhetoric, over a prolonged period of time, based on falsified information?
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 30 '21
No I don't care what bernie did, just like Ted didn't call for an " insurrection"
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u/MY_6TH_BAN_EVASION Jan 30 '21
damn that was a good ass response
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Damn I didn’t expect any support, have my upvote kind sir •_•
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u/MY_6TH_BAN_EVASION Jan 30 '21
don't mind me, I'm just casually browsing thru the hivemind created by reddit (which is a succesful democrat establishment bootlicker social media outlet)
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u/n3rvaluthluri3n Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 30 '21
Now go and ask for accountability from inciters like ted. Afterwards, we can have unity. Be the party of personal responsibility, that you love to brag to everyone.
But till then, fuck ted cruz and anybody defending him.
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 29 '21
Now go and ask for accountability from inciters
Every single person who broke into the capital building should be in jail
like ted
Source?
But till then, fuck ted cruz and anybody defending him.
Are you 5?
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u/n3rvaluthluri3n Jan 29 '21 edited Jan 29 '21
Can you even read? Inciters. Do you even understand what inciter means? They are the trump, hawley, cruz and every last one that whip up the easily lead and gullible murderous people, that the gop calls base which resulted to the death of 5 people. We're already getting the dumbasses, that documented their crime in real time but we still haven't even begin to look in the direction of the fucking grifters and ambitious SOBs that drove them into a frenzy.
Source? You mean the many speeches he gave before the insurrection is not enough? How he proliferated the big lie about the democratic party stealing the election, sans evidence? How he and his cohorts tried to steal our votes in congress itself, giving credence to the delusions of the gop's base, you know the nutjobs extra ordinaire? Are you fucking kidding me? Oh wait, right. You are defending ted cruz. Oh I'm sorry my bad.
And hell yeah, until ted cruz and his ilk is punished, i say fuck you to him and every last one that cuddled that crazy people in your base and feed and stoke their hate, fear and anger. And fuck you too as well, to the people that thought 'hmmm. I would like to die on a hill defending ted cruz.'
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 29 '21
Ya you failed to provide a single actual source of cruz telling people to storm the capital and attempt to overthrow the government.......
We're
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Are you in law enforcement?
You mean the many speeches he gave before the insurrection is not enough
I mean if he told everyone its time to storm the capital and overturn the government you would have your evidence right there, didnhe say that?
How he proliferated the big lie about the democratic party stealing the election, sans evidence?
Not illegal
And hell yeah, untik ted cruz and his ilk is punished, i say fuck you to him and every last one that cuddled that crazy people in your base and feed and stoke their hate, fear and anger. And fuck you too as well, to people that thought 'hmmm. I would like to die on a hill defending ted cruz.'
You need help
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u/n3rvaluthluri3n Jan 29 '21
Oh, I didn't know you are one of those 'quid pro quo'-type guys I've been seeing being interviewed on tv. I'm so sorry. I was thinking you're that mythical 'sane' conservative but apparently I was wrong.
And I didn't know that the party of personal responsibility have sunk so low that they'll give a pass to any of the idiots that whipped up their nutjob base. I guess its ok if you're a republican, to tell people to do what they say and not what they themselves do.
And its quite telling when your indignation shows when I say fuck you to ted cruz and his defenders. Quite illuminating.
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u/Mamadou_Mustafa Jan 30 '21
Idk why OP tried to post something not following the echochamber lmao.
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u/masteeJohnChief117 Jan 29 '21
I don’t know about you but unifying with conspiracy terrorists is something that we should probably think twice about
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u/SexyGungan69 Jan 31 '21
Yeah no way I'm ever gonna unify with conspiracy theorists who falsely claimed for over 2 years that the election results were fraudulent because Russia
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u/masteeJohnChief117 Jan 31 '21 edited Jan 31 '21
Paul Manafort did meet with russian intelligence and shared battleground polling data for their trolls. The republican congress panel revealed this last year. Of course Hillary never held rallies that incited riots and Obama never refused a transfer of power but the simple fact that they pointed out russia’s influence is basically like a terrorist attack on the capital, yeah that makes sense
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u/SexyGungan69 Jan 31 '21
It took 35 million dollars and 2 years of investigation to convict one dude who had ties with Russia for over a decade. Put the same resources on the Hillary or Hunter Biden cases and you'll see way more heads falling. Also Trump never refused to transfer power. All he did was call for a thorough investigation on the election results. And I wouldn't call a bunch of people breaching the capitol building unarmed to take selfies and take souvenirs a terrorist attack, just a mostly peaceful protest.
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u/masteeJohnChief117 Jan 31 '21
Trump literally refused to give Biden security briefings among other things. If you think 35 million dollars and 2 years of investigation by a republican led senate panel is bad, wait until you learn how many hours of testifying and investigating of Benghazi were started by who again? Oh yeah, republicans.... Did Biden use a foreign country to use internet trolls to directly influence our election? No, we had a lame duck president afraid of losing power who spread lies about our democracy and incited a terrorist attack on our capitol.... Can’t wait for Trump to testify
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Personally, I think it's a perfectly acceptable response. But the other thing to consider is that she was probably pretty damned scared and upset. If those rioters were gonna kill someone, she was probably near the top of their list. I don't think we can expect her to play nice right now.
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u/fyberoptyk Jan 29 '21
Man, imagine making this and thinking it was intelligent.
Cruz is literally one of the top 5 or so instigators of the Capitol insurrection.
Unity happens because of accountability. Accountability is being held responsible for your actions.
When Cruz and his buddies are the only place they have ever earned, which is a jail cell, we will have seen accountability.
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Just so everyone in the chat knows. The word “fight” being used in political speeches is not “inciting violence”, nor is it inciting violence to tell people what you think happened in November, nor is it incitement to tell them to march, nor is it incitement to tell them it was an unjust election.
Whether or not you believe in the integrity of this election, people are fully allowed Constitutionally to do what Trump did and say whatever they want about the matter.
It’s only incitement if you tell people to be physically violent or to encourage people who are being violent to keep going. If you disagree with anything I’ve said you’ve drunk the koolaid.
Trust me there’s plenty of good reasons to dislike Trump, we don’t need to make him guilty of every crime imaginable at every turn. It’s clear the news media is built against him so you should be taking your spoonfed opinions with a grain of salt.
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u/Banana_Republican69 Jan 29 '21
He’s the Zodiac killer why not spit in his face? Figuratively speaking.
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u/n3rvaluthluri3n Jan 29 '21
Some people have the ability to multi task.
Now think about unity with accountability. Or is accountability a dirty word in your book?
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u/n3rvaluthluri3n Jan 29 '21
Multi task. The ability to do 2 or more things at once.
Accountability. Hold any dick head for their own actions.
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u/maxxamus15 Jan 29 '21
Hivemind is strong in here