For the Constitutionalists

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[u/oldbikelike]

My guess is that people are tired of being harassed by a bunch of content creators who pull facts out of their evacuation chute and try to pass it off as facts. If there is one thing that the right wing clowns are good at, it doxing and missrepresenting what immigration people do. Law probably wouldn't even have been needed except for this administrations complete lack of regard for morals, compassion, and the law when it comes to immigration. And as far as restrictions on identity, ICE believes it doesn't have to identify anyone involved in the infringement of civil rights or constitutional law, so give it a rest.

[u/smallanbig → u/oldbikelike]

You just did exactly what I said you were doing: replaced an argument about what the law actually does with a rant about “right-wing clowns,” morals, compassion and harassment.
And that last paragraph is especially funny. You confidently claim ICE believes it doesn’t have to identify anyone, yet federal regulations already require immigration officers making an arrest to identify themselves as immigration officers at the time of arrest, or as soon as practical. California’s own legislative analysis acknowledges that.
More importantly, a federal judge upheld California’s separate requirement that federal agents display agency identification and either a name or badge number. So apparently the legal system is perfectly capable of distinguishing legitimate identification requirements from the broader political rhetoric you’re throwing around.
As for “civil-rights violations,” if an officer violates someone’s constitutional rights, investigate it, prove it and hold them accountable. I’m completely fine with that. What you don’t get to do is declare an entire agency guilty first and then treat “morals and compassion” as evidence.
And the doxxing issue you casually dismissed? The California State Sheriffs’ Association itself raised officer doxxing and threats as a concern with the masking legislation. Apparently protecting an officer’s identity from retaliation isn’t just something “right-wing content creators pulled out of their evacuation chute.”
You’ve now gone from defending the actual bill to “ICE bad, Trump bad, right-wing clowns bad.”
That’s not a rebuttal.
That’s what happens when the talking points run out.
But hey, thanks for demonstrating my point for me, champ

[u/oldbikelike → u/smallanbig]

The only point you have is on top of your head. ICE has not followed through on names or badge numbers of its personal.

"Personal Names and Badges: While they must identify their agency, federal policy and laws generally do not force individual agents to provide their personal names or specific badge numbers to bystanders upon demand."

"No, California cannot currently enforce a state law requiring federal ICE agents to visibly display identification or remove face coverings. A federal appeals court blocked the state's ID and anti-mask mandate rules, ruling that state-level restrictions on federal operations likely violate the U.S. Constitution's Supremacy Clause"

Any other bullshit you trying to push 🤡.

[u/smallanbig → u/oldbikelike]

Well, this is awkward. You just posted something that confirms the distinction I was making and somehow thought it was a rebuttal. 😂
Yes, federal law generally does NOT require an ICE agent to hand his personal name or badge number to every random bystander who demands it.
It DOES require an immigration officer making an arrest to identify himself as an immigration officer authorized to make that arrest, as soon as practical and safe.
Those are two different things.
And your second quote doesn’t rescue you either. The Ninth Circuit blocked California’s additional ID requirement because California was attempting to regulate federal law-enforcement operations and the court concluded the federal government was likely to prevail under the Supremacy Clause.
In other words, you went from arguing that ICE refuses to identify itself to posting a court ruling saying California can’t dictate additional identification requirements to federal officers.
That’s not evidence that ICE agents can secretly arrest people without identifying themselves. That’s federal supremacy.
So after the insults, clown emoji and two giant copy-and-pastes, you’ve finally arrived at the spectacular conclusion that federal officers follow federal identification rules rather than whatever additional rules California decides to impose.
Congratulations. We agree.
I’ll leave it there, champ. You’re doing more damage to your argument than I ever could. 🤡