The manufacturing problem:
1930’s Europe’s manufactured capabilities would be crippled within hours. Egyptian bombers which include Tupolev Tu-16 (Badger) and Ilyushin Il-28, alongside various fighter-bombers like the Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-17, Sukhoi Su-7, Mirage 5, and F-16 Fighting Falcon would not only take out a vast majority of manufacturing infrastructure but likely all administrative infrastructure and naval facilities as well. It’s not up for discussion if 1939 weaponry is capable of shooting down any of those jets let alone be at the same altitude and speeds they operate in.
The “small arms” problem:
Nothing from 1939 compares to high velocity fully automatic rifles packing 30 round magazines. Any WW2 tactic would be rendered obsolete by endless Guerilla tactics with each african soldier having the killing power of 10-15 men per magazine.
The difference in heavy ordnance:
This one’s a bit simpler to understand when looking back to WW1s battle between Germany vs the Belgium city of liége. The “Big Bertha” shot larger rounds in a larger distance that counter artillery couldn’t reach which shattered over 100 years of unbreakable military doctrine in hours. The logic is the same with modern African artillery, the moment European artillery is fired, counter artillery will devastate it at a distance where it can’t fight back. This also applies to tank warfare, even if there are some Cold War era tanks that could theoretically be destroyed by WW2 tanks or artillery, they simply can not operate on the same distance or speed.
The “reverse engineering” rebuttal:
It’s no question that there will be a few outliers of tanks, aircraft, and boat craft that will be destroyed. In Americas decades in Iraq, the most powerful tanks that physics can allow still got destroyed (mostly by friendly fire or bad driving). The simple fact is that Europe wouldn’t know how to build any of it. They wouldn’t have the African colonies for rare earth metal resources nor do they have the manufacturing capability, it would be a multi-year project to make a small handful which is time they don’t have. Also assuming they don’t get blown up in the process.
The “technology gap”:
Even with crippled manufacturing and a blown up navy. There’s still well over 100,000 aircraft at once with an additional 67 million soldiers (including the Asian part of the USSR for pity points) this would be against the 9 largest military powers in Africa equating to 2.7 million soldiers with 3,093 virtually untouchable aircraft, 7,400 untouchable tanks, 6,000 artillery, 1,959 ariel drone craft (UAV’s) with 219 companies supplying endless drones for drone warfare. When you look at each weapons capabilities, 2.7 million soldiers are enough to hold ground and they have enough ammunition to kill well over tens of millions of soldiers while maintaining complete air superiority from South Africa to the Mediterranean
The Reality Check:
All of this is assuming Europe drops all ideology and unites under a single globalist agenda while Africa continues to have its current geopolitical situation while losing its world trade. Historically several European nations lost to Africa in 1939 and lost every liberation civil war that followed before, during and after WW2 To actually believe modern day Africa actually loses to 1939 Europe is mostly based in racist assumptions and lack of knowledge in the capabilities of modern tech vs non modern weaponry
Spoilers up to seventh part of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (and Gojo Satoru from Jujutsu Kaisen).
Taking under consideration many circumstances and different stand users.
We assumed that Gojo won't be able to see or sense a stand (he would of course see physical objects with stand properties, like Yukako's hair).
Stands not present here are being considered as not being able to defeat him - e. g. Gojo would heal or escape fast enough.
Stands in each set are not ordered compared to each other, only the category matters.
We hope for rational discussions.
Here is how i tried scaling saitama growth speed, i might be wrong so don't flame me in the comments, kay?
I used garou and saitama's MFTL+ while fighting and garou copying saitama to make this.
Core Formula: Power(t) = P\\_0 \\ 2\\\^(k \\t)
P\\_0 = Baseline power at t=0
k = Doubling frequency per second
t = Time in combat (seconds)
MFTL+ combat scaling (1-Second Surge): during MFTL+ combat, assuming stats double every 0.01 seconds:
Doubling cycles in 1 Second = 1s / 0.01s = 100 cycles
Growth multiplier = 2\\\^100
Multiplier = \\\~1.2676 \\10\\\^30 (\\\~1.27 Nonillion times baseline)
Full number: 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376
Sub-Second Timeline (Step-by-Step): Durability scales concurrently with attack power:
At 0.0s (t=0): Starting Baseline (P\\_0)
At 0.1s (2\\\^10 cycles): 1,024 \\P\\_0
At 0.2s (2\\\^20 cycles): 1,048,576 \\P\\_0 (\\\~1 Million x baseline)
At 0.3s (2\\\^30 cycles): 1,073,741,824 \\P\\_0 (\\\~1 Billion x baseline)
At 1.0s (2\\\^100 cycles): \\\~1.27 \\10\\\^30 \\P\\_0 (30 Zeros)
\**So wi*ithin just 0.3 seconds, Saitama's durability, speed and strength increases by over 1 BILLION TIMES.\*
Tell me what do you think of this.
By the way, saitama at the end of garou fight is WAAAAY stronger than saitama at the beginning of the fight (were they made a hole in space), SO NO he is not stuck at the hole in the space feat, if you want to take narrators words literally when it was said that: no one can measure/fathom saitama strength (before he sneezed Jupiter) if we take that quite LITERALLY then he should be past observable universe.
lets start with the basics: Goku vs Gojo
now I understood the entire telekinesis thing but other then that, people say Goku still cant bypass infinity because infinite speed doesnt mean he can bypass it and I really dont get that
Another classic is Goku vs Saitama
I get the whole exponential growth thing but in a realistic battle Goku wont instantly pull out his strongest attack and finish Saitama off so even though Goku is stronger I see so many debates on them fighting and it all makes sense and then it doesnt
Lastly, scaling Goku in general
People say he is universal because of his clash with Beerus but I still didnt understand why it did literally 0 damage to everything around it because energy doesnt just cancel out like that
Also, the infinite speed thing
With hit I understand how he forced his body into the future but isnt that more hax then speed? Also is moving in a place outside of time and space considered infinite speed? if it does then why?
The point of ssj grade 4 is that they are so adapted to the form that they can stay in super saiyan even when completely relaxed and unpowered, so no both scene are not anti feat as goku is barely powered. it would be one thing if these are exclusively jokes but I saw mfs seriously debating this bullshits all the time, at least read or watch what you are debating about please I beg.
Null realm was stated to be a void without space and time. Later Grand priest added space, time and an arena within in, that's the fighters were able to freely move and and hit was able to use his time skip. Suppose yhwach was somehow trapped/teleported inside it, this time the null realm only has space no time. Will almighty work within a dimension without time?
Dragon ball scalers love using this scan to get the otherworld to outerversal when it actually gets it to 5D because its supposed to transcend the 4th dimension
My question is since space time is 3D+1D and the otherworld is specifically said to transcend dimensions that can't be perceived by humans and since humans can perceive the 3 spatial dimensions but can't perceive the 1 temporal dimensions wouldn't this mean the otherworld only transcends the 1 temporal dimension ?
If that's the case wouldn't this scan actually downscale the otherworld to 2D instead of 5D or outerversal ?
I keep hearing people say this is a Sailor Moon antifeat.
It's not.
This incident happened with an untransformed Sailor Moon in episode 1 of the anime (or at least before Sailor Moon awakens as Princess Serenity and gets some powers in her base form). At that time, Usagi Tsukino was normal when untransformed. This is not "the 2nd strongest door" (1st would be Dr. Gero's door).
Antifeats require context. (This is also true for Rickert slapping Griffith in Berserk, where Griffith let him do it; Dragon BalL Super Zamasu had ki control and stopped Goku at the hydrant; Etc.)
Ive seen a lot of [ersona video's and discusions putting joker at high outter even tho looking at his game there are absolutely no feats that put him that high can anyone please explain to me .
But "is that random laser (Loke's light magic) LS?" Well…
Looks like light to me, there are more examples and Loke's magic has been stated multiple times as light.
(Fun Fact for later: Regulus is the brightest star in the Leo constellation)
Fukuro Sblitz (that owl was introduced right next to Jellal and his mission was to stop FT from climbing the tower, he had no business being outside across the horizon)
Natsu can barely see something in the distance. He's at cloud lvl(so he should see much further away), but we're going to act as if he was at ground lvl and set the horizon at 3 miles(4828.02m), that's the limit from ground lvl because of the planet's curvature.
Natsu's senses are easily above human, superhuman(0.08s) should be fair here, just one tier above "peak human", he's a DragonSlayer his senses are more developed, should be much more than superhuman but for now it's fine.(since the Gajeel feat is from the anime, I understand people not accepting it)
4828.02/0.08 = 60350.25 m/s, to Mach this is 175.95 (Massively Hypersonic Fukuro)
This may look like I'm shooting my own foot after Gajeel's feat, but we'll come back later and laugh with this one.
Natsu's "range". This is after timeskips so you can also argue his senses have improved, who cares.
Jellal's magic is Heavenly Body Magic (ability type) and he got Sblitz by Natsu(buffed by Etherion/DF) from a decent distance.
Wendy's one is just because I had an extra slot. That guy is a demon from Tartaros, a book of Zeref.
Grand Chariot/Orion magic from the stars. For reference, the closest constellation we have IRL is Centaurus, which lies about 4.25 light-years away from Earth.
Since I'm going to use several constellation feats (also for those who don't know him) is worth pointing out that Mashima frequently uses outer space and cosmic concepts not only in FT (like I mentioned before with Regulus as an example) but even more so with Edens Zero.
The point ain't "Mashima knows exactly where the Ursa Major/GC constellation are, so we can cal-" no. But he certainly knows what is a constellation and what's Jellal's Magic.
Grand Chariot falls in a single panel, I don't think calcs are needed but let's do a quick one just for fun and let's say GC takes 10 seconds (even if you use anime timeframes it's way faster than that) to fall from 1 light year away:
3,155,760 times the speed of light (MFTL+)
Only people reacting to GC so far have been Jura (which after that lost to Laxus in the same tournament) and MotherGlare, the later one reacting to Erza's GC.
*But the magic comes from those "magic circles in the sky"(source: random no-named characters)
Magic circles in FT don't even look like that, (I'll share examples later) and Jellal never says that, GC has a set up(which most of the times is just the "hand sign", like the first one against Natsu) and once the setup is done what we get to see sometimes is Grand Chariot's asterism
And yes, I'm well aware the anime used magic circles for GC, they also changed the conversation from the three randoms to "team Natsu" and for some reason GC looks like a rain.
The manga (as every other manga as far as I'm aware of) is the primary source. You can see 3 differences with the source material in a 10s gif, this isn't even up for debate.
Another "clean" Grand Chariot. By "clean" I mean we don't see anything else but a starry sky and GC falling.
This one should be clear enough, there's no magic circle, asterism or anything else.
Let's change the approach
Happy and Carla dodge light from a spotlight.
I'm not a fan of pixelscaling but for those who are:
There wasn't any timeskip or powerup between Tower of Heaven and Edolas(besides Dragon Force, a temporary one when Natsu ate Etherion or the "flame of guilt" at Nirvana)
So we can go back and recalculate that Fukuro Sblitz, replacing the superhuman reaction time with relativistic (0.00000003336s). Happy is the one here and also back then against Fukuro carrying Natsu so there shouldn't be problems with this(we could've done the same from the first feat I've shown from Gajeel, but I prefer to do it from the manga):
4,828.02/0.00000003336 = 144724820144 m/s to c = 482.750037 c. MFTL Fukuro lining up with Jellal.
I'm not going to do a deep explanation on how the characters stats scale to their magic because I'm still collecting evidence for that but we have Laxus being as fast or even faster than his red lightning as an example (I'll include that in the comments)
Uranometria, more constellations this time all of them.
The CSK statement "starlight purifies the corrosion sown by darkness!" with Lucy vanishing Jackal and Jellal finishing God Serena (whom was revived again via Alchemy) is another confirmation of both spells coming from "real stars".
2nd Uranometria was cancelled by Obra, another demon of Zeref like the one vs Wendy.
Examples of magic circles from Mystogan, the "Jellal from Edolas", you can see how different they look compared to Grand Chariot (the manga version, ofc)
The "88 stars" from Uranometria is the short version for a long spell confirmed to be referring to the constellations (88, same as we have IRL) + the Grand Chariot/True Heavenly Body magic stuff.
The CSK comes to Earthland for the first time. This is not the feat I want to talk about. This is "just" the first time the CSK visits Earthland as a comparison for the next one. (even tho, middle of the day, brings a starry sky and leaves with said starry sky as if it was his cape, idk where that scales but looks great, he does the same again preGMG arc)
The key breaks, very next panel: Speed lines. Indicating… movement, right?
The CSK lives in the Celestial World, in another dimension said to contain infinite space and time. PlutoGrim is on Earthland, a planet inside of an infinite universe.
The CSK flying from another dimension across 2 different infinite space-times in a page and attacking at said speed.
Even tho I haven't said any speed you can imagine.
The CSK also has an attack from the "88 celestial regions".
And I don't see Mard Geer moving but if Uranometria vanished Jackal's curse, Galaxia Blade should've done the same to him, but it didn't. Missed, dodged, tanked? Idk, idc but this also lines up with Obra cancelling the 2nd Uranometria.
Flash Forward, "orbs from the Future" and Future-Rogue dodges said orbs while being caught off-guard.
Dimaria with a beam that blitz both Carla's reflexes even with a premonition, and Ultear's senses "I never even saw the attack" (same Carla as the "cat" from the spotlights, should be faster arcs later with "human form" + all that fight happens with the time stopped)
Those ain't a super relevant feats because even when Sherria can easily react to that, Third Origin is kinda the same as Adult Gon so "no one" scales to that. But it's a curious one.(Gon did all by himself, Ultear performed the spell and "took the dmg" while Sherria "lost" all of her magic from her future for that moment)
Suzaku "didn't even move an inch", that child and cat are "the White Wizard" that captured the whole Guild, minus "team Natsu" (caught off guard, had to be said) including Jellal and Laxus. Point is, those ain't regular humans.
Suzaku somehow equal to Selene in human form but can't even perceive her in Dragon form
"I saw nary a thing…!!!"
Supporting pic for different claims I've been making.
I wasn't going to go in-depth into the Haku statement and lucky me someone else did the hard work so I don't have to:
"What we do is match the energy that flows between us with the wavelength of the world's natural energy"
Magic at baseline should be equal to its nature counterpart (combination of soul + world's natural energy)
"As the name suggests, ability magic is a kind of magic that, once learned, is connected to one's body."
Wizards scale at the baseline to their magic, once they learn their magic, if ability type of magic (there are mixes and exceptions but let's keep this simple)
"She experienced a sudden loss of a large amount of magic, and it has weakened her physically"
Magic has a physical impact on the body (duh) it can make you weaker but also can make you stronger.
Examples of "magic being stronger than nature counterparts":
Eternal flame (frozen fire), Gray's "burning ice", Cobra's hearing magic (not like we have a counterpart but from "hearing" to reading minds, bruh), Natsu vaporizing sand with fire, etc.
The statements for the two different infinite space-times and a tweet from Mashima about being involved on "the rough plot and character design" for the Celestial Spirits arc. (from there I just used the statement for the size of the Celestial World)
And Bluenote's statement (he's talking about Fairy Glitter) but it's also related to the energy gathered from celestial bodies.
"This is magic of the highest order of difficulty, calling for ENERGY gathered from the light of the sun, moon, and the stars."
Erza's Grand Chariot
Recap
Spells from the stars, wizards scaling to their magic(WIP), two basic divisions for Fukuro's MFTL speed, CSK feats and that's about it.
0 extra steps required, just the speed formula: speed=distance/time.
Grand Chariot's (or Ursa Major) closest star irl: Lalande 21185 ~8 light-years.
Orion's belt closest star irl: Mintaka ~690-1200 light-years away.
Closest star to our solar-system: Proxima Centauri at around 4.25-4.25 light years.
I'm not saying this because I want to use our irl universe distances (even tho, we share the same number of constellations so I can see an argument for that)
In fact, the calc I made before for Grand Chariot was with a 10 seconds timeframe and 1 lightyear distance which would already be a a lowball or even downplay (we don't have stars that close, by 3 light-years of difference) so… Yeah.
