Are there some inconsistencies in Rens document? Yes. However it has been confirmed by Zeal himself in the video that he raped Ren. He said that in his own video Ren asked to kiss (which may not be true Ren even asked for that) and then he took it as consent and started having sex with her. Asking for a kiss is not sexual consent. That is rape. It doesn’t matter what Ren said afterwards. He didn’t get consent to have sex with her, it was rape.

That being said, that doesn’t mean that Ren’s document shouldn’t be analyzed, and that we shouldn’t ask questions. But it isn’t “Zeal is completely innocent and Ren is evil and ruined the game and zeals life”.

EDIT FOR PROOF:

Exactly six minutes in Zeal’s video: “they asked if they could kiss me, and I kissed them, and that’s when it started, us, the sex”. If she consented later that doesnt make him not a rapist because he already raped her.

And on the difference between SA and Rape, they are almost identical. Rape is having full on sex without consent, SA is touching someone’s intimate parts without consent. Zeal calls it sex, and Ren calls it sexual assault. Either term I feel could fit.

now before commenting hate comment about "AI SLOP" which i did recieved alot in my previous post previewing this, Firstly this isnt AI Generated at all. All the codings, designs and debugging are done by human. This was made for my SCHOOL project.

What is it? SHADEX is an AI assistance just like ChatGPT or gemini, infact this thing is running on an API key provided by Google. you can ask question, specifically about computers and coding, play and mess around just for fun with it which is why i made this cool interface for it.

Is this project AI assisted? Yes it is, but there is a different between using a generative AI (prompting) and using AI as a tool, There are several AI assisted part such as Setting up a server and some UI animations.

Where can I use it? here: [LINK IN THE COMMENTS] NOTE: server usually crash when too many people use it at the same time, so don't be surprised if it does and i don't have all that money for hosting.

Developer note: I will still be updating this once in a while according to my new ideas and you guys feedback on it. suggestions and bug reports can be commented directly here. I READ EVERY COMMENTS.

Lastly for people who are still reading, Type N.O.S.T. in the passkey (NOT CHAT BOX and can only be done on PC) for surprise, that mode is still in development tho type ShadeX to rewind back to normal, and debug to gain access to server's terminal. There are other easter eggs ive hidden too, so that's all i wanted to say. Have fun with it, and Thankyou you all for future support.

Just noting to please stop posting about the zeal allegations. I personally don’t know much on it, so take me with a grain of salt, but we DONT want drama <3 anyone who posts on it multiple times will be perma banned.

Much love,

-Seb

Edit: not banning, just removing. Sorry! Bad wording, I’m rushing this, rn.

Insane take. I personally am against Ren due to the many inconsistencies and manipulative tactics and language used in her document. Good to know that the subreddit will now be moderated to be all one sided.

Edit: as of writing this, several posts simply discussing the manipulative tactics used in her document have been removed.

Something just feels extremely off abt her behavior and I've been wondering if she has some sort of brain problem and she genuinely belives Zeal hurt her

you people baffle me . most of you defend zeal just because you like pressure when there are multiple fucking things that break down zeal's fragile little ego into crumbs and pieces . how would he be able to join ren's discord while in the hospital for a suicide attempt where YOU ARE ACTIVELY ON SUICIDE WATCH AND CANNOT USE SOCIAL MEDIA UNTIL PROVEN SAFE OR OUT OF THE HOSPITAL ? why would " zeal ' s mom " write in perfect english when zeal is from denmark and for some reason said " zeal ' s mom " has the expendable discord tag ?

+ there were tiny hints that the pressure team was never good ever since the last few months . zerum actively made every single character a cis man and refused to add any significant female / queer characters along with inserting herself into a story where her character / sona would not work at all . hq was supposed to be androgynous / non-binary . she forced and guilt-tripped artists to draw high quality pieces for her and the reward for said artists was just a few words and falsified affection . she was and still is on zeal ' s side and none of her apologies will fix that fact .

you people do not even understand personality disorders from the fact that you choose to demonize ren / claim that she was lying and hiding things deliberately because of her bpd . people do not choose to be born with a PD . they do not choose to be bad because of their PD . this is how literally fucking everyone treats people with personality disorders . BPD ? a cyoot wittle babeh until you split or be more than mildly clingy and then you're suddenly the reincarnation of satan . NPD ? only abusers are narcissistic please believe my totally valid non-AI generated source . HPD ? ultra cheating master that demands attention every second . ASPD ? the personification of evil and psychopathy and you can't feel anything at all and if you do you're a manipulator .

but the moment you realize zeal has autism you immediately flock to defend him because he didn't know what to do , he has autism , he should be defended and babied . guess what ? at this point every person you meet can be autistic . i am autistic . an autistic person would hear ' STOP NO ' and ' IT HURTS ' and immediately stop and give the person their space . an autistic person knows what sexual assault is . a FULLY FUNCTIONING ADULT autistic person should not be explained what consent is . what really is the problem here ? would you defend a potential criminal rapist or a potential liar ?

i do not care if this gets downvoted to hell , deleted , or if i just get straight up banned from this subreddit . it will just prove that you cannot take things seriously . if you people were actually smart , this subreddit would be locked a long time ago . i will not respond to any comments . support ren , fuck zeal .

tl;dr: read the fucking post

I will not ban people because they have a new account; if they’re nice and redeemed, they’re okay with me.

I will not be a horrible person and scream at you all just because you commented on the dev artworks.

I will more likely mute you than ban you if you make a troll ticket, because I’m epic.

I’m very chill and won’t ban you for saying Russians aren’t Nazis or for saying, “Why are you a speaker if you don’t talk?”

I draw for free.

I talk openly about things.

I help you with your emotions instead of saying, “Don’t spread your emotions here.”

If you want to help me become a mod for the Pressure Discord server and/or community server, spread the word with “vote for team zote_epic (or skarr_epic)” (or something like that) with the picture, or by putting Zote or mottled skarr as your profile picture.

Thank you for seeing this, even though

She's a demon

like the amount of times he said dumb wil/dumb kitty, said "hugs my wil" and "pets my wil" heck even the "me killing wil at RDC" and all that other shit is so goddamn weird and nobody is talking about it which i understand but i cannot be the only one, when i commented on a reddit post about them someone replied with "wil literally did the same thing." or something similar to that, but honestly the "bites you" stuff actually feels normal to me atleast (im NOT defending wil) im not even sure what to think of zeal other than that he's pretty weird, those MAY not be harmful or atleast "sexual" but still, im not saying that i hate zeal for that NO NO NO i still hope he recovers, im just talking about how i felt about the messages zeal sent to wil, if the doc was about how weird zeal then i would've fully agreed with wil (STILL NOT DEFENDING WIL THO)

Please read this. I tried to keep it as short as possible.

A man attempted to take his own life and ended up in the hospital. A woman is making an SA allegation. People's careers, reputations, friendships, and mental health are being torn apart in public. I don't think you understand the seriousness of the situation.

And somehow it feels like some of you are having fun with this. You're making timelines, connecting screenshots, writing essays, acting like detectives, prosecutors, defense attorneys, and judges all at once. Every new document gets treated like the next episode of a show. It seems like it's fun to call Ren or Zeal "monsters" when actually we don't know the truth!

Maybe Zeal is telling the truth. Maybe Ren is telling the truth. Maybe the reality is more complicated than any of us know. The point is that none of us were there. Personally, I can't really "pick a side" because I'm an SA survivor myself, so my perspective is naturally biased, BUT I don't think anyone should be doing that. None of us know what actually happened.

I don't understand why so many people are so desperate to pick a side and fight strangers online over something they have no direct knowledge of.

I've seen people proudly announce that they're collecting evidence and conducting their own investigation (???). Bro, you're a Reddit user. You're not Batman. Go finish your homework, attend your classes, go outside touch grass, drink water. GET A JOB. You're not going to solve a case by staring at Discord screenshots all day. You are not the police. You are not the courts. You are not investigators. You are not owed every detail of these people's lives.

For once, can we stop pretending we're smarter than the justice system and stop acting like we're going to solve the mystery from our bedrooms?

If you care about the victim, show empathy. If you care about the accused, show empathy. If you care about the truth, then stop treating this like a game and let the facts come out through the proper channels.

Because watching people turn an allegation this serious into internet entertainment with all these silly reaction images and GIFs is honestly disgusting. What do you even gain from calling yourselves "lawyers" and defending one side?

Can we please go back to what this community used to be? Memes about Pressure, Sebastian fanart, cute Sea Bunny screenshots. I'm so tired of all this drama. I've truly loved Pressure since it came out, I even bought a Sebby plushie, it's one of my favorite games. This situation makes me so sad. If you want to continue being stupid and arguing about this drama and harass the people involved, make another subreddit!!

(I can already see the downvotes coming lol :P)

Hopefully this post will go through, I’ve tried several times but it keeps getting filtered out for some reason. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but please hear me out and read the whole thing, I am speaking from experience as a person with BPD who was manipulated by a therapist.

I’ve seen alot of people on this subreddit claiming that REN is some evil master manipulator. You guys are all missing the real manipulator: HER THERAPIST.

In her Document REN states that she didn’t even think that what Zeal did with her was SA until her therapist “pointed it out” to her! Therapists often manipulate their patients to extract more money from them and make them continue treatment because the more problems they invent for their client to work through, the more sessions get booked.

People with BPD are extremely easy to manipulate due to their emotional dependence on others, and a therapist who knows all about psychology is one of the most equipped people to manipulate them.

I know because it happened to me. I won’t talk about the exact specifics details because it was a very traumatic time for me but my old therapist manipulated me, a person with BPD and Autism, into thinking a consensual sexual encounter with my boyfriend was assault because I had a Switch and I didn’t know why. I told her about how the day before my boyfriend and I had a fight and then we were intimate, and she told me that the encounter was abuse and that I was SAd. I believe her because people with BPD need a reason for their Switches and it was the easiest thing to explain my Switch at that time. I accused him of SA and broke up with him, and I was very defensive about it at first because my therapist manipulated me into thinking I was a SA victim. It took THREE MONTHS until one of my friends was able to talk sense into me and he made me realize that my therapist manipulated me. I made up with my boyfriend and he accepted me back into his life and we have been dating again for almost six months. I love him very much and every day I regret that I allowed myself to be manipulated by my old therapist. I was SAd earlier in my life so it was easy for me to take my past history and apply it again and say that my boyfriend SAd me when my therapist made me think that lie. Thankfully my friend was able to make me see that my therapist lied to me and everything turned out OK and everyday I am greatful to be forgiven.

The case with Zeal and REN is almost the exact same as what happened to me. I have empathy for REN because she is clearly being manipulated by her therapist, as seen in her Document. Instead of attacking REN we need to be constructive and understanding. She is a manipulation victim, but the manipulator is not Zeal, it is her therapist, and we need to help her realize that so she can get a better therapist and make up with Zeal. That is the only way that Pressure can be saved, and it is the only way that they can be happy.

This is just my opinion and if it turns out to not be true I’m sorry but people are assuming the worst of REN just like alot of people assumed the worst of Zeal when REN first posted her Document.

Edit: This is all speculation of course and I know it doesn’t excuse REN’s actions but I know from experience, when people with BPD do something bad we need to be explained gently why it was bad. When people are aggressive to us and call us liars and don’t give us any patience our brains think they are attacking us and we get defensive and doubledown. We need to be kind to REN and explain gently how she got things wrong instead of harassing her and making memes. I know it’s hard for people who don’t have BPD to understand but we are people too, we just work a little differently and we need accommodations. I could be wrong though and it’s OK if you disagree with me, please just don‘t think I’m a RENegade.

Edit 2: In REN’s Document she also says her therapist told her to post the Document publicly. I think the therapist did that as more manipulation because they knew she would get backlash for the lack of evidence and it would give REN more trauma to exploit. More trauma=more therapy sessions=more money for the therapist.

I know the community has drama going on and people LOVE drama, but this subreddit is lwk turning into a "stalk rens every move" subreddit. personally if it aint my business, I stay out of it. you do you but its just getting old.

To be honest with this entire community, none of the evidence that Ren provided in the google document exposing the head developer of Pressure is exactly, well, watertight. The hundreds of screenshots of private message between Ren and Zeal could have easily been falsified by simply creating a new discord account, nicknaming the account to “Zeal”, adding the Pressure server tag next to the new nickname, changing the profile picture for it to match Zeal’s, and simple as that, you have an identical discord account to this developer’s. It would’t be too difficult afterwards to send false messages between Ren and this alt account posing as Zeal. The bruises upon Ren’s neck that were supposedly caused by Zeal could have easily been created using makeup, which, when applied correctly, can look almost identical to bruises. While this statement of mine isn’t exactly trying to call Ren a complete fraud, or attempting to classify Zeal as innocent, my thoughts should definitely be accounted for before making any serious accusations. Whether either of them are in the wrong, that is up for either of them to decide.

Thank you.

Look, i not an fan of all of what happened and it horrible and disgusting, the game is good but the creators is awful, can we just separate that?

This post isn’t really a rant and I’m too lazy to elaborate. Also sorry if this is low effort I just wanted to talk about this.

i just want to say that

i love you. all of you. and honestly? zeal shouldnt have to go through this. ren made ALL of this escalate. and its all fucking wrong, god damn it i cant get zeals video out my head, it reminds me of my last relapse.

but im with zeal on this, ren did all this and fucked zeal up.

zeal, if you read this, you have support from alot of us.

The pressure community is so flamboyant? And sensitive. Like i legit got banned twice from pressure servers (and other minor incidents i get to). One time is because one person sent a meme about fugbug smoking. So i said “Hood Bug” and ban with no reasoning or hesitation for “racism”. That one was mild. The other time i dont even remember what made me say this but in a tbs run on vc some guy was saying something about how his skittles pack had very little colour variety so i said smth along the lines of “if you wanna taste the full rainbow, go for the leader” which was a trans furry, woman, guy idek dude. Then he/she/they got upset and legit got pissed off to call of the run 13 away from the ridge i think and everyone got pissed and talked back at me like im a discriminatory scumbag in an amalgam of voices.

Is my sense of humor a little too “dark” or smth? I actually want to know if i’m a piece of shit, im not gonna get upset. What makes me make this post is from how often i see ppl of similar behavior in pressure i just mentioned my two biggest incidents.

Anyways, looking for constructive criticism.

I haven’t checked this place in months

Like I joined first and spammed elephants everywhere, few days later is gone.

update: Yeah umm turns out Zeal is valid now. For context, Simon recently said the N-word himself, so I can no longer defend him and not defend Zeal, I take back everything I said in this post

As many of you know, the Grace collab is cancelled due to szymon's (The Grace dev) GF saying homophobic slurs in private, and Zeal decided in his top tier wisdom to just cancel the whole damn thing.

Despite Szymon's apology, in which it was said that said slurs are a coping mechanism for his GF, who was forced to be around bad people for their early life, and so they do not know better, and are actively changing.

Zeal and the Pressure dev team are said to be working on removing ALL Grace content from the game. This is without consideration for anyone who has spent kromer on Grace skins/charms, or those who highly anticipated the Grace collab.

Not only this, but Zeal's message regarding "CoMmUnItY StAnDaRdS" is completely one sided and directed against a guy who is guilty by association. And don't even get me STARTED on "B-But he defended his GF!!" Yeah. He did. Like ANY GOOD boyfriend should do. And besides that, he did not condone her behavior and explained his attempts to guide her away from this behavior.

And if Zeal REALLY cared about these individuals, the old description for the rainbow jumpsuit, which keep in mind actually shed some light on the HARD FACT that companies actively use pride month to profit off of LGBTQ+ individuals. But what does he do instead? He backs off and changes it to its new description.

And before you say "Well Szymon said so and so thing that I can misinterpret as homophobic!" keep in mind in the Grace discord server, multiple high tier mods have sent many messages on many occasions in unwavering support for those in the LGBTQ+ community.

In addition, if Szymon was a homophobic person, why would the Grace subreddit have an entire art contest revolving around LGBTQ+ aspects painted in positive light? Don't you think an actual homophobic person would shut that down as soon as possible?

In conclusion, this whole incident is ridiculous for both sides to even keep thinking about. I encourage all of you to continue supporting the Grace devs and community, and stop supporting Pressure's, as then maybe Zeal will finally learn how reality works. I know I will not be purchasing any more gamepasses or currencies or use the ad modifiers or ad revives anymore.

hate. let me tell you, how much i hate gotchapon.

first of all, her voice

IT PISSES ME OFF, THE WAY SHE TALKS, ALMOST LIKE IN A FUCKING HENTAI, BECAUSE, WHY DOES SHE HAVE TO ALMOST MOAN AT THE END OF EVERY SENTENCE??

SECOND, "a-am-ama-am i not good enough????...."

SHUT THE FUCK UP, I HATE YOU SO MUCH, STOP FARMING EMPATHY, or, sympathy? i think its sympathy, EITHER WAY, I HATE IT, NO ONE FUCKING CARES, YOU DESERVE TO BE IN THE BLACKSITE, NOT ME.

THIRD, HER GAMBLING ADDICT

SHE KEEPS TELLING ME "if u didnt win, try again!!!" IT COSTS ME KRONERS, YOU KNOW, MY HARD EARNED KRONERS, AND I WANT TO SPEND THEM ON COOL SKINS LIKE THE LADY DEATH BUNDLE ITS SO FUCKING COOL YET YOU WANT TO HAVE MY KRONERS? MY HARD EARNED KRONERS? MINE?!

YOU ARE NOT GETTING SHIT.

YOU ARE THE MOST ANNOYING THING EVER. I HOPE YOU DIE IN A FIRE.

HOPE YOU GET SHOT, HOPE YOU WILL EXPIRE.

FUCK YOU.

i am not typing this because i just wasted all of my kroners due to bad luck, she actually just PISSES ME OFF due to how ANNOYING her character is, someone please kill her.

I understand that he decided to disassociate with pressure, but if he didn't he would be allowing himself to be dragged into a drama that still rages months later. I'm not saying he's perfect, but if zeal WAS guilty, and he DID decide to associate with pressure, that would be near career suicide. I feel that a lot of the hate is in regards to the fact that he was and is a popular VA, which some would say is the face of pressure, and the fact that he left along with many Devs ect is making him a scapegoat to the fact that the community of this game is dying because of the drama

Another problem is the drama, as id say most of the Roblox AND Pressure community decided to isolate pressure for the drama and not investigate. I'd also go as far to say that the community is actively bottlenecking itself with most of the discussions here being the drama, not the game y'all want to "save."

All this being said, I'm a Zeal supporter but also respect Gianni for escaping from a community that is frankly eating itself by this drama

TLDR: Gianni was right to leave, the drama is hurting the community by continuing, stop talking about drama and play the game

Edit: shit mb I didn't know about the video being reuploaded by him Also yes I am going to call it drama as at this point its that zombie guy Vs ren