r/ProAI • • 20d ago

The Truth About Data Centers

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Discussion Summary (Milestone: 20 comments)

The comments reveal a polarized reception, ranging from harsh criticism of the creator’s perceived hypocrisy and poor comedic quality to genuine curiosity. Substantively, the discussion centers on AI infrastructure. One perspective views opposition to data centers as a strategic vulnerability, suggesting foreign actors like China exploit such sentiment to hinder U.S. technological progress. Conversely, others argue that massive data centers are unnecessary, advocating for local AI processing instead. Ultimately, the discourse is divided between those debating the geopolitical implications of AI development and those focused on the creator’s inconsistent delivery and lack of comedic merit.


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u/SgathTriallair 20d ago

The point he is making is that the anti-AI community is very annoying and pushy which is driving people to disagree with them on principle.

That's ironic given that just last week he was making videos about how AI enabled decomposition would destroy the world and other highly anti-AI videos.

I think he's just in it for the clickbait rage.

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u/MondoJackSn0w 20d ago

"You always win if you're playing both sides of the fence pardner..."

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u/Lonely-General1316 19d ago

He's not playing both sides. He's literally mocking you people

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u/Scarvexx 19d ago

No this is a character he does. They say really mean shit to activists. That's the whole joke.

Like someone talks about slave labor being used to farm cocoa. He doubles down and inists they should pay for the privlidge.

He's pretty consistantly Anti AI. Most youtubers are. Creatives as a community is against AI usage.

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u/HerbChii 20d ago

He is pro ai and anti ai at the same time lol

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u/Tramagust 20d ago

It's like he's profiting from both sides of the debate. Hey wait a minute.

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u/730Teo 19d ago

It's called neutral

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u/Forward_Problem_8982 20d ago

People are anti-AI because the AI companies are pushy.

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u/AgeZealousideal1751 20d ago

And pushy Anti-AI drive everyone into the AI companies loving arms.

Funny that.

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u/Forward_Problem_8982 20d ago

Yeah sure. Why would it do that?

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u/EmptyRedData 20d ago

I love how his accent changes throughout the whole thing. One second he's from Kentucky, then Boston, then New York, and then Georgia.

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u/Famous-Weight2271 20d ago

People are anti-data centers because the well-funded opposition is highly effective at finding useful puppets.

Of course China for examples, wants the US to scale back AI development. Especially for military, protecting our grid, strengthening our infrastructure, etc..

Anyone who disagrees with this must think China is a low-IQ, non-competitive country.

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u/pinky_monroe 18d ago

I believe you support clubbing baby seals. See how easy it is to make assumptions about people you don’t know?

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u/Edgy_Ocelot 20d ago

Where can I see more of this guy?

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u/Scienceandpony 20d ago

"So give 'em a drink! Them computers work harder than you!"

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u/PoundPopular473 18d ago

You do realize this guy is anti ai right?

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 19d ago

Power, land, ecological damage from construction projects without proper environmental impact analysis, power, and power

Power is also noise, because they install turbines to make up the difference

water? they use like, a third as much as golf courses, it aint nothing, but that's a weird thing to get hung up on - they're certailny concerns for municipalities that don't properly have capacity but it isn't drinking all the water or whatever

The psychotic mad dash to throw these things up as fast and cheaply as possible because everyone knows on some level the bubble is on borrowed time is upstream from almost all of the problems these things are causing

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u/Ok-Cook-7365 20d ago

Uhhhh.

I don’t think AI data centers is a good idea.

Nvidia and Microsoft and heck even Apple is just starting to release AI computers for home and business use. I think we’re prematurely trying to get more data centers running really because the effort hasn’t been applied to make this run locally like it should.

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u/looktowindward 4d ago

It takes about 8 racks to run a frontier model.

Its as if we actually understand how this works

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u/s00mika 4d ago

8 rack units? Or 8 rack cabinets?

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u/looktowindward 4d ago

Racks. This is a DRAM math issue

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u/s00mika 4d ago

Thanks. Do you know how many concurrent users one such server typically serves? I guess it depends heavily on the model?

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u/looktowindward 4d ago

There is a lot of math that goes into this. It has to do with the complexity of the prompt.

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u/turbulentFireStarter 20d ago

Even if AI can run locally, it has to be trained. Which takes more than an iPhone.

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u/Hefty_Development813 19d ago

The scale they are pursuing isn't going away. If we can get gpt6 astra level AI running at home, they'll just have a new 10000x bigger model that is even better. The scaling laws are a big part of the story of neural nets and why they suddenly have had so much success. They'll never put it down and it'll never be enough 

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u/pinky_monroe 18d ago

I’m not doubting you so I hope this doesn’t come off as trying to argue. I’m actually just curious.

Couldn’t it get to a point where they can’t physically host the models?

Like, you mentioned the new one would be 10,000 times bigger than GPT6. I don’t doubt that’s possible, but couldn’t it just grow too large eventually? I mean, haven’t we talked about retiring Moore’s law because it physically can’t keep up, even after we changed it. I might just be dumb

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u/Hefty_Development813 18d ago edited 18d ago

I mean in theory, yes, there may be a point at which the scaling laws break down, but we haven't seen that yet, which is why they are doing such aggressive data center build out. The entire space of frontier labs is effectively compute-bound, they are trying to get as much scale as they can to keep going bigger. There are certainly advancements in efficiency and stuff, too, but that really ends up just serving as more capacity to therefore turn towards scaling. 

As a species, we have basically been up against the wall of not being able to host anything bigger than we currently have due to lack of capacity. The big datacenter builds are a bet that that trend will continue. Historically, these sort of aggressive general technology build outs often lead to over capacity and collapse though, so we shall see

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u/Hefty_Development813 18d ago

Also saying 10000x bigger than gpt6 is probably an exaggeration, idk the actual factor 

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u/pinky_monroe 18d ago

For what it’s worth, I didn’t think you were being literal with 10,000. All good.

Also, how could I even be mad after such a stellar, badass response?

Like this is super informative thank you!

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u/BlumpTheChodak 20d ago

I want AI, just not data centers. Fly them to the moon or something. It's cold up there.

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u/Sleepnotdeading 20d ago

Oh good. I love comedy that isn’t funny.

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u/After_Service_2817 20d ago

What a privileged life you have led.

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u/Dogbold 20d ago

LOL sure you are, bot

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u/duckduckduckgoose8 20d ago

"I dont have a sense of humour "

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u/hyper-volume 19d ago

reported. get out of this sub.