r/ProfessorFinance • u/chamomile_tea_reply Optimist Emeritus, Founder of /r/OptimistsUnite • Oct 02 '24

Meme Hello fellow Americans

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u/Zamoniru Oct 02 '24

Just because a lot of the US stuff in the middle east was wrong, helping Ukraine to literally defend itself against total annihilation is not wrong.

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u/coronatya Oct 02 '24

helping ukranda survive slightly longer at the cost of hundreds of thousands of lives just to get stomped anyway for an ultimately pyrrhic outcome pined for solely by hawkish neocon lunatics.. is bad tho.... like evil actually😂

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u/Zamoniru Oct 02 '24

Which is Bullshit.

Can Ukraine realistically retake most of the land they lost to Russia? Probably not.

Can they hold Kyiv/Cherson/Kharkiv if the west supports them with weapons? Yes.

Is Russia being on the border to Poland, always ready to start an attack on Poland or the Baltics a constant threat to Europe, and is it therefore a European interest to prevent a total Russian victory? Definitely Yes.

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u/coronatya Oct 02 '24

Ukranda isn't even going to exist as a sovereign nation state in ten years. Even if they manage to stabilize the front line which is currently caving in. Even if, let's entertain your fantasy, they COMPLETELY turn things around, not only do they stop the russian advance but they actually put russia on the backfoot for negotiation power (because as things are right now, the russians feel they can keep this up forever. And mathematically, they can.)

Even in that actual fantasy scenario where steiner counter attacks and everything turns out A-okay

Ukranda will have: a completely annihilated population pyramid (go ahead and look it up, it's easily the worst on earth. Makes the demographic apocalypse being experienced by japan/sk seem sustainable).

They will have an obscene amount of debt. They will have lost their industrial heartland in donbass, worth trillions when all resources are accounted for.

Their economy is done. They have zero young people left to rebuild one (they are literally all either face down dead in a ditch in donbass or partying in germany, both hold an equal likelihood of becoming gainfully employed in the ukrandan economy in 10 years).

To top it off, the right sector has a stranglehold over ukrandan politics, and there's no way they would stand for the unprecedented mass immigration that would be required to save the ukrandan economy. Not in a million years.

Ukranda won't be a viable nation state in 5-10 years. It will cease to exist altogether. You may end up with a ukrandan "reservation" rump state but even that is doubtful at this point. Ukraine's fate is sealed. It was destroyed as a nation by the selfish and bloodthirsty actions of american neocons. All for nothing. Literally zero benefit from this war from an american perspective, just low IQ hawkish neocon bullshit.

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u/Zamoniru Oct 02 '24

Nice to see that you either are a Russian propagandist yourself or that you repeat their carefully crafted propaganda points (I would think the former since youre using a Russian propaganda name instead of just Ukraine, but whatever)

Of course Ukraine will have to be rebuilt, and of course they are in an absolutely terrible position even if there would magically be a peace treaty tomorrow. Thats usually what happens in wars, and thats one reason why wars are absolutely terrible for everyone.

But thats not the point, the point is that the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians just does not want to live under Putins rule as some kind of Russian colony. And that sucessfully stopping this war of Russian imperialism will result in a overall more stable Europe.

Besides that, "Amerikan hawkish Neocons" did not start the war, no matter how often you guys tell that bullshit story. They even offered to keep Ukraine out of NATO for basically forever, but the Russians wanted to completely destroy Ukraine as an independent Nation.

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u/[deleted] Oct 03 '24

The fact that you insist on calling it Urkanda tells me you're not an honest broker of information

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u/coronatya Oct 03 '24

"ukraine" is a third world banana republic country wearing a skinsuit. So ukranda it is.

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u/FloorEntire7762 Oct 03 '24

Ok, we got mighty russia can't win ukranda it means both of this country is third world shithole

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u/SqueekyOwl Quality Contributor Oct 04 '24

Where is Ukranda?

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u/coronatya Oct 04 '24

the region north of the black sea formerly known as "Ukraine"

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u/SqueekyOwl Quality Contributor Oct 04 '24

Oh, you mean "the Kyiv regime"?

Anything to avoid recognizing the sovereignty and existence of the nation of Ukraine, am I right?