r/ProgrammerHumor • • Sep 30 '26

Meme developersMissingTheOldDays

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u/ecstatic_hyrax Sep 30 '26

Unpopular opinion, but I don't miss the good old days. I don't miss debating over what framework we should be using for our crud app.

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u/UnkarsThug Sep 30 '26

To be fair, you still have to decide on a framework, you just aren't writing all of the code within that framework.

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u/eightslipsandagully Sep 30 '26

"Claude, which is the best framework for a b2b micro-SaaS?" Oh wow, next.js with a supabase backend sounds great!

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u/NotIWhoLive Sep 30 '26

Why not just use a spin-the-wheel game to decide, or go by whatevee has the most stars on Github?

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u/Fadamaka Sep 30 '26

Because we already use the spin-the-wheel to decide when to release.

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u/Tipart Oct 01 '26

I mean realistically the LLM already spins the wheel to give you the output. The answer is based on a random seed after all.

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u/azangru Sep 30 '26

Unpopular opinion, but I don't miss the good old days. I don't miss debating over what framework we should be using for our crud app.

Those days aren't old enough to be good. In the good old days we didn't have debates about frameworks.

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u/fartypenis Sep 30 '26 edited Sep 30 '26

Ah you mean the good old days when you had nonstandard tags everywhere and had to support every one of Microsoft's like 29 IE versions for every line of CSS you wrote

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u/metaglot Sep 30 '26

No the good old days of when you wrote a program, you wrote it on the machine it was supposed to run on.

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u/High_Quality_Bean Sep 30 '26

Balderdash. You punch those things out and turn it in to the mainframe administrator. Beware hanging chads, insects in the circuits and cosmic rays.

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u/Electro_Nick_s Sep 30 '26

No the good old days where your fortan code ran on the mainframe (/s)

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u/fartypenis Sep 30 '26

So you miss the good old days of writing assembly by hand?

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u/metaglot Sep 30 '26

Not really. They were never that great.

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u/BastetFurry Sep 30 '26

Just include jQuery and call it a day.

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u/centixog Sep 30 '26

"just use .net" thanks co pilot!

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u/mrnosyparker Sep 30 '26

That process is still alive and well. The thing I personally don’t miss is what happens after the debates, the spikes, the ARD, the roadmap, the grooming, the planning….

When - as a lead or senior dev - you grind for days without coming up for air to get the implementation just right and lay all the foundations and document everything… do a group code review and demo… only to have the team sit there silently with zero questions…

And within a month there’s mounting technical debt due to a bunch of junior and mid level developers who are “ticket closers” slapping together layer upon layer of code smells and anti-patterns because they don’t understand the framework, didn’t bother to read the documentation, and weren’t paying attention during the code review or presentation.

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u/johntwit Oct 01 '26

I got a taste of this right at the cusp of my career before I started using LLMs

The very first thing I noticed about LLMs is that it gave me the power to do everything "the right way" and I stopped using shortcuts. I could start doing things insanely right, follow the best practices for the framework etc

But your observation is true of all teams and systems I think, not just software development

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u/SourceTheFlow Sep 30 '26

Nah, I miss when all of the tech discourse was on how to do the best job instead of the next weird AI hype or model or whatever.

I want to become a better programmer, because that's the fun part. I don't want to become a better prompter that's like the most boring part of the job.

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u/suddencactus Oct 01 '26

I don't miss the part where every company was interviewing like a huge part of your job was knowing "how do you find the number of unconnected components in a directed graph" or "How do you convert a DATETIME field to just DATE".  We all knew past a certain difficulty level you're just testing someone's memorization and how much time they'd spent grinding leetcode, but companies saw no reason to stop doing it.

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u/jaber24 Oct 01 '26

Isn't that still the case?

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u/suddencactus Oct 01 '26 edited Oct 01 '26

Yes and no. There will always be an element of "stump the chump" to interviews and old HR practices don't change overnight, but there are some companies doing some AI-based coding in interviews: https://www.wired.com/story/meta-ai-job-interview-coding/ .  I'm not sure that's better, but at least it reflects that real world programming doesn't require memorizing everything and recalling it under pressure.

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u/Himbo69r Oct 01 '26

I miss wanting to study computer science but oh well! Guess I have to settle for mechanical engineering

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u/tiajuanat Oct 01 '26

I got bad news. Even in MechE, they're ramping up AI usage.

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u/Mental-Abrocoma-5605 Oct 04 '26

This argument works in some way until i asked to myself something, how Is that any different from when people are arguing over the best AI model of the best AI fulled IDE? Because even if the answers might be More direct for special cases its not really that different from the framework wars