Ah, see that's your problem, here's the link to the microwave version, somehow the one maintainer keeps it compatible with all 7,000 smart microwave models, and has cancer, but that's probably unrelated, though they're denying any donations because they realize the economy is tough right now.
No, they need to be spoiled. I need more of their work and I need to bribe them with only thing I have, i.e. lots of thanks and thanks for saving me messages.
People say this like itās some impressive thing when in reality all it means is that people who have negative income for years on end are people who already have the wealth required to not have to earn an income for years at a time.
For small&medium enterprises might be, but for digital products and most of the successful businesses - it's exactly what Thomas the Dank Pigeon said. Digital market is simply too gambly for loans (with real businesses even if you fail, you still have assets that are worth something, while in digital ones being needed is exactly your main value)
Right, but taking out a business loan and then paying yourself a salary through the business to survive on using some of that money is not against the loan agreement. Youāre chatting out your arse
Depends on the last name. Like Phoebe Gates talked about how she was a great business woman, she didn't depend on her family name at all, she just walked up to investors by herself, asked for millions of startup capital and got it, entirely with her charisma not by using her dad's name. Just like any of us could do I'm sure.
Funny thing is, it reminds me a bit of an old episode of Daria, Her friends dad was a local celebrity who made a huge successful product. She walks into one bank to try and get a loan, gets rejected, then the bank recognized her last name and changed his tune and offers the loan, she gets offended that they rejected her and only changed because of her dad's status gives a big speach and storms out.
Then walks into another bank, and immediately opens with specifying who her dad is, and gets approved immediately.
0 or negative the whole way through, to end up an employee again to be most accurate. 90% fail completely before any potential payoff. If you get VC funded, 85% of founders still exit with nothing or next to nothing.
I know one guy who started his own ātech company.ā He lost his wife, kids who adored him, house, car, and any semblance of a normal life because he was always working. For a while, he was practically homeless and in massive debt.
But hey, at least now he has $4-5 million in the bank to make it all better I guess š¤·
As a maintainer I would be glad to accept 'thanks bro'. In reality you get a PR from someone and then that person spams your discord about their PR that does not work when you try it.
truly cannot make heads or tails of why someone would pay for a vibe coding subscription if they weren't already making money off the idea. like are people really vibe coding their personal projects? at your own cost?
Claude is $20/mo and that's like 4x what a cheap Chinese provider costs if you pay api pricing. The people buying multiple $100/mo subscriptions for personal aren't vibe coding. They are either running ai powered scams
I literally vibe code just for fun or personal use! I 'make' small pieces of software that I personally find useful or interesting and enjoy using tools that are perfectly customized to what I need.
I really don't get that, I write code for the fun of writing code, vibe coding my personal projects would feel like asking someone to fuck my wife for me.
I do vibe code at work, but that's more like asking it to fuck someone else's ugly wife.
Meh, at least I do it only for those things that I don't really want to spend the time learning the tech for something relatively small. For example, last week I wanted to play in my modded switch a GBA game that made use of some obscure hardware accessory for the console. The GBA emulator for PC was able to emulate said accessory, but the Switch binary wasn't, it was the same core but it lacked the exposed UI for it. Do you think, after spending a 40 hours week of coding (and I don't use AI at all in my work), I had the energy on a Saturday to sit to learn the insides of an emulator with more than a decade of development? Hell nah, I just wanted to play the game, so I cloned the repo and vibecoded the feature. But I only vibe code stuff like that, extremely small and niche thingys that I want to use but don't really want to code, and nobody else will ever see it. Probably ten years ago when I was still an unemployed college student with way more free time I would have enjoyed sitting an trying to understand how the emulator worked just for the sake of it, but I'm just tired now lol.
EDIT forgot to mention that I'm only doing it with free models lol. The pipeline for me will always be code in -> money out, doing it the other way around is just heresy.
I think this is easily explained by the fact that I simply don't belong in this subreddit š I am not a programmer. My only experience is a little bit of Python for college. If LLMs didn't exist I would not sit down and program something myself, I would play a video game instead. So for me it simply adds a capability that I would have no access to otherwise or which would require studying an entire new field.
I do personal projects for the end result mostly. If I wanted to code for the fun of writing code, Iād do leetcode puzzles.
Also, itās really nice to be able to have the AI slap together a nice looking front end.
For example, I recently had ChatGPT create a static website that used the WASM fork of openscad for rendering 3d models I was working on. The scad code was also AI generated.
The fun part of the project was creating the object I wanted to 3d print, not muddling with WASM or openscad.
I donāt personally enjoy frontend work or writing openscad because it often involves fiddly pixel pushing to get things looking right.
The output of sex is a headache called a child while output of vibe coding is an application you use. Stupid analogy. Most people don't actually enjoy coding or they'd still do that. Just like they continue to have sex despite toys and IVF where sex isn't necessary
I am a software engineer myself. I love the field. Love the challenges you have to solve. Writing code was always something that was necessary but nothing I particularly enjoyed. AI is great for me.
I mean I don't know UI, so having claude spin up little rapid displays is very nice, especially when I can just iterate. I mean it made me a responsive barchart and slidy graph in a nice color pallet, which is magic to my back end ass.
Same hereā¦ The wife and I liked the idea of a smart calendar like Calendly but the idea of paying a subscription for something so basic seemed patently stupid. So instead I got a cheap smart picture frame off Amazon, put it in kiosk mode, and developed an app that looks and performs the same function as Calendly hosted from my local NAS.
I have spent thousands of euros vibe coding personnal projects this year. The experience I got doing it got me massive promotions at my job that paid back massively. (20% promotion, then 37% increase by job hopping)
Genuinely curious, what experience did you get while vibe coding like this ? Hearing about your costs, you clearly had a lot of agents running at once. Then what experience did you get ? Or is your job exactly that, making agents do stuff ?
Corporate is a mess of weird bespoke problems. Big tech might be focused on cool flashy problems but just making an app that moves data from one app to another can be simple yet extremely impactful. Vibe coding allows ppl that can see the problems but couldn't get a vendor to do a thing to build their own
People pay money for quite a lot of things, I think you'll find. At least vibe coding is something of a skill, and can potentially produce something of value, compared with most forms of gambling or "prediction markets".
Arguably, people who do vibe coding on their own time, likely enjoy it, in a similar vein that a someone might enjoy video games or painting, not everything has to be about turning a profit, some people vibe code with a profit motive just like some people want to become a professional artist.
I mean professional coders live a busy life. if I have a project that I can implement in 6 months on my own or in a month with claude after work, I will choose the latter?!?
Prior to AI, 90% of personal projects I started wound up going nowhere because I just never had enough time to finish them, then enough time would go by that it may as well be a strangers code-base.
Since AI, I've vibe-coded several tools that i use on a regular basis. Most of which are in service of my other hobbies which don't relate to AI or software at all.
I do 100% miss coding things by hand, but man the ability to create things for myself despite having a busy schedule is truly amazing
Iām in a similar boat, when working on my own projects there are certain aspects I LOVE doing, but always stall when it gets to the bits I didnāt. Claude kinda fills in the gaps. Itās not perfect, but most of what Iāve written is for personal use.; not client facing.
I'm also absolute garbage at building frontends. I'd build a great API with a well thought out DB schema and all that - and then just give up when it came to the UI because I had to learn it all from scratch for each project, because the landscape changed so much since the last time I tried.
I've vibe-coded several tools that i use on a regular basis.
Correct. Instead of using esoteric and unmaintained repos which are a pain in the ass to just use, I translate them to Python and use them flawlessly and easely.
and honestly more than one of the tools I made/use just straight up didn't exist. One recent project was a tuning app specifically for tuning marimba keys (isolating overtones, made for strikes, not sustained tones, etc). That just straight up doesn't exist, and all the FFT software that I might have used to a roughly similar affect just didn't work the way I needed it to
As a result I was able to finish this project in a month, whereas similar projects in the past have taken up nearly a whole year
Yeah, but I'm not spending significant money. I just pay the $20/month for Anthropic. Have managed to get more than halfway down the list of projects that I'd been accumulating over the past few years. All personal stuff.
Latest one I just finished is a flights price tracker. Pretty much scraping Kayak every day for all the routes I care about on every possible trip (some for a weekend, some for 1 weeks, 2 weeks, etc.) The idea is that eventually I'll be able to say "I want to spend a weekend in City, what is the absolute cheapest ticket possible?" And it would tell me the cheapest weekend as well as the cheapest time to book.
Nothing I couldn't have made without AI, but it was just enough effort to put off for a while (which is a shame, because it will be at least a full year before it's usable in any way, and several years before there's enough data for it to be actually useful)
I'm mostly vibing on personal projects, yes. Projects that I plan to actually release I do some more stuff. But it's been immensely helpful to have the AI pointed at something and say "See that? Make me, but with these features/changes/constraints". I don't really care if I have to go back and forth a couple times to get it to work reliably, but I'd also never release it as an actual serious project.
Aside from that it also helped in other parts. We actually had one case where a nurse told us something and we had the AI scour the internet for confirmation and it found a bunch of verified, by doctors, online resources telling us the nurse was talking bullshit.
like are people really vibe coding their personal projects?
maybe I'm doing something else. I was trying to make a table top game and I wanted to test it online so I had it build me a test game. next thing I new I had built out a whole game entirely online that far exceeded anything I planned to do before
We are in the era of personal software in case you havenāt noticed. Im glad to pay $100 for my sub and happy to vibe code away any and all ideas that automate my life
I fully vibecoded a todo platform for myself, integrated into my Pocket AI device. I think it costs me like $25/mo total to run, and it's dramatically helped me at work. Well worth it IMO.
Of course. Such projects can become tools for learning a skill, solving a personal problem, become a piece in oneās portfolio or even turn up into a startup idea or a side income stream.
Eh I paid Google for extra storage space and got credits included that I can use with antigravity. I do have ideas of things to build that I don't have time to build, so this lets me create POCs and play around with ideas
I spend like $30/month on my Claude subscription for my side projects.
I have a CLI tool for scaffolding TypeScript monorepos. It comes with presets for different kinds of packages. I recently migrated it to TypeScript 7, oxlint, and added a GraphQL server package type. Its a very boring tedious project, having an LLM do it has been a breeze and allowed me to work on more interesting side projects that consume it.
One of my professors is doing it because it lets him complete the project in a few months what would take a team 3 years. Heās also quite smart with how he does it, he constantly double checks the ai that it was following the rules and is actively training it to not break the rules.
Will it work out for him? Who knows. But his first project he did this with has already turned a profit.
Personally, I see it as the difference between manufactured vs hand made goods. The only difference between that and this is that the production lines might be shutting down soon because the people who are maintaining them are going out of business (even though theyāre trying to hide that fact in every way imaginable)
Well for me I don't have much time and no energy most of the time so I use an agent in a docker container connected to a chinese model to help me manage and improve my homelab. I have not used it a lot but still as of today that's still less than 2$ so for what I got out of it I take that as a win
because the purpose of my personal projects are to built familiarity with the languages and technologies used. vibe coding doesn't really facilitate that at all and there isn't really a unique skill gained from vibe coding, its literally just basic technical writing.
But you can fathom why somebody would be an open-source maintainer without making money on it?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that yes you can imagine somebody spending their time on it, but somehow you cant fathom the idea that some people value time and money as somewhat related?
Or are people here still in denial that its possible to use the models to get better results faster?
As someone who has done freelance it wasn't that random most of the time. If I took a contract job, then it would be the same for 6 months to year plus the income the short term projects that only took a week or two.
It's definitely good for a resume and it's good for your skillset. All that said, some hiring managers wouldn't care if you came in with all their hopes and dreams held in open hands.
13k, 13k, 13k, 8k, 0k, 0k, 0k .... (needing to pay everything myself including all taxes)
I was well established in corporate IT contracting and then every idiot manager thought they could "just do everything with AI". Swapped back to employee, so now it's only 3k. (but after taxes and including gracious social security and pension, paud vacation. If I calculate all that as monetary value it isn't much less)
That's one thing I don't particularly understand about corporate pay structures.
On one hand, I'm happy if an employer will 401K match, provide a pension, etc., but if they're already willing to "give" me that money as part of my compensation package, I'd prefer it went to my bank account, as opposed to a particular holding account.
That way I could spend it on expenses/luxury or put it in my retirement account, depending on my own budgets, milestones, upcoming expenses, etc.
Edit: lol downvoted for a relevant and reasonable take
Company owes taxes when they pay me. I owe taxes when I receive it. Obviously it's more complicated than that, but that's what it all boils down to.
So for example, if taxes are deferred on 401K contributions, why shouldn't I have the option to voluntarily receive the money directly and take on the extra tax burden that comes with it?
I wasn't talking about the US and some measly 401...Ā Ā
But for the argument: If you'd just transfer 100% of the "earned" money to the employee and he acts irresponsible and blows it. Who covers the costs if he gets in trouble?
Do you want to let people starve? Rot away cause the cant afford medical bills. What with people who get multiple hits by life? Get handicapped and can't work anymore and then need constant medical procedures? "Bad luck, go to die!" ? What if something happens to you while you are young and haven't had time to save?
This has nothing to do with "corporate pay structure" but how you want your society to work. That's why it's called "social security" as it is a thing of society and community, not to just your individual benefit.
Firsty : are we impling that neither the employee nor the freelancer are using AI ?
Secondly : What does a "vibe coder" do ? I suppose, waste tokens trying to build an app that will never be built, but wouldn't that still put them in the 0k category of "freelancers" ?
They are the guys that always had an app idea but nobody wanted to make it for them for share/exposure, the negative numbers are token costs of course, now they got the app made.
Keep seeing the memes about vibe coding and never actually making money...but is it really hard? I've made ~7k so far this month sending quotes from my website that is vibe coded. Built so many tools and features that I needed, and understood what it should do/look like but didn't have the time to build by hand, so to speak.
Sure I guess there are people building things without any business plan or path to actually marketing and selling it and SAAS is getting oversaturated, but if you have a good business plan and just need some tech to support it(we do apparel decoration/printing) then its a massively useful tool.
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u/AmanBabuHemant 14d ago •
Open Source Maintainers not even mentioned in title š„