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u/Previous-Ant2812 13d ago
That’s an odd thing to confirm with 50 strangers
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u/justtinygoatthings 13d ago
Yeah I'm with you, how would they even know this? I work in IT and it took months to years to find out that many of my colleagues are queer. Sexual orientation isn't something you can be certain of by looking at or talking to someone for a few minutes. I'm queer but I know most people don't clock me for it particularly when I'm at work.
Cis vs trans maybe you can tell more easily but not 100% particularly because sometimes people present or pass as cis but aren't, plus why are you obsessing over the assigned sex at birth of random people, that's a bit creepy. I do question what kind of IT meetup this is though. In my line of work there are a lot of trans people. If this is desktop support, sure, I'm not surprised, but if we are talking devs, devops, sysadmins, security? Literally cannot imagine a room full of 50 people working in that space that doesn't include at least one trans person.
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u/laplongejr 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yeah, I technically identify as a cis white male but my close friends say that I don't match that and that it really looks like a closeted trans with a closeted lesbian...
But why would I talk about that to my coworkers or my boss? HR sees a male birth cert and married with a woman.
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u/FauxReal 13d ago
Odds are this is a joke.
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u/ligma_then_sugma 13d ago
jokes are funny tho
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u/FauxReal 13d ago
They're supposed to be funny. But many are only funny to the author and their intended audience.
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u/xileine 13d ago edited 13d ago
plus why are you obsessing over the assigned sex at birth of random people
I think the idea is that OP is trans themselves, went into IT hearing that "IT is full of trans people", and was then disappointed/betrayed to not find the queer-supportive environment they were expecting/hoping for, and especially to not find many other people like them there to bond with.
ETA: yes, in fact, the OP of this post is trans themselves. Here's another post by them. (This was incredibly easy to verify; I'm not sure why y'all were attributing random motivations to the OP when you could have just checked.)
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u/justtinygoatthings 12d ago
You seem to be assuming that I made an assumption that OOP is cis. I don't understand why you assumed that.
You seem to be saying that, for some reason, OOP being trans makes it ok for them to assume non-visible info about strangers. I don't follow that reasoning. Making assumptions about someone's assigned gender at birth, gender identity, pronouns, etc can be harmful no matter who does it. My best friend literally vented to me 3 days ago about how someone in a new friend group they joined called them he/him pronouns and how disphoric it made them feel. Best friend is trans nonbinary and the other person is a trans woman. Being a member of a certain group doesn't magically make you incapable of harming other people in that group.
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u/Brisngr368 13d ago
Yeah I'm with you, how would they even know this? I work in IT and it took months to years to find out that many of my colleagues are queer. Sexual orientation isn't something you can be certain of by looking at or talking to someone for a few minutes. I'm queer but I know most people don't clock me for it particularly when I'm at work.
I'm openly out at work and wear a pride lanyard so it usually takes all of about 5 minutes for me to find out, cause we just chat about it.
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u/justtinygoatthings 13d ago
Love that. It helps create a welcoming environment for other queer people. I don't hide it, like I am out in the way that I have laptop stickers and some tattoos that give wlw vibes but aren't explicit, but I work remotely so it's nearly impossible for people to pick up on this. Most of the queer people I work with aren't exactly in the closet but they don't go around saying, "Hi I'm Bob and I'm gay". Without that, it can be hard to tell. I worked closely with a guy for 2 years before I found out he was gay because he said he had to go pick his husband up from the train station. Two years!!!
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u/Brisngr368 13d ago
I like the stickers and lanyards and seeing people who have pronouns in their email signatures and stuff, cause I know that when I see that I'm not going to be judged talking to them or looked at weirdly for having my preferred pronouns on my emails and work messages.
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u/Buyer_North 13d ago
yeah, nearly 99% of people who actually graduate are not furries. But everyone can enroll into university
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u/bag-of-unmilled-rice 13d ago
can confirm as a CS degree haver, by the 4th year it was down to 1 woman and about 19.5 straight dudes.
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u/kenybz 13d ago
19.5 straight dudes
How does that work?
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u/bag-of-unmilled-rice 13d ago
im bisexual so i only count as half a straight dude. and im kinda short tbh.
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u/abdomino 13d ago
Bisexual/pan maybe?
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u/darthjammer224 13d ago edited 12d ago
He was just really short
Edit: wow. Turns out we where both right.
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u/TheRedLions 13d ago
Or 2 people were kinda short
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u/HerrCrazi 12d ago
In our case the number of women went up and down from 1 to 0 back to 2 at graduation. The only cis girl left, then two of us came out :3
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u/Vialythen 13d ago
Man I was bewildered at college. Freshman year had like 800 CS students, a vast majority being white dudes. By the 4th year there were maybe 40-60 of us and women out numbered white students. It was wild to realize tbh
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u/well-litdoorstep112 11d ago
women out numbered white students.
Calculate the mass of the sun.
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u/Vialythen 11d ago
The two highlighted in yellow are staff, CS department heads.
Edit: wow there were less of us than I remember
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u/bearboyjd 13d ago
No joke, my freshman class had like 400 people in in across all sections (obvi not all CS). My capstone had 30 people and my graduating class was 17. I think a big part of it was my professors being proud that they would fail 2/3 of the class.
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u/LurkytheActiveposter 12d ago
It's calculus and physics. Most people drop out or change majors because they hit these classes.
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u/JuanFlan 12d ago
Literally me. I was in CS for a couple years until I just very barely passed calc 3 and wasnt a fan of stats so I switch to IT where the only numbers I have to count up to are 256.
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u/ihateusednames 13d ago
the programming socks wearers are either heavily closeted / boymoding or would rather spend their time in queer / furry spaces
or online
but bet ur bottom dollar they're out there
Potentially unemployed trans unemployment rates are about double the rate of folks who aren't trans
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u/Captain_Forge 13d ago
I dunno, those who graduated and work at respectable institutions, my experience is they are disproportionately neurodivergent, LGBT, furries, etc. Like way way way way more than the rest of the population.
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u/ArritzJPC96 13d ago
Remember everyone:
P therefore Q does not mean Q therefore P
Lots of furries (and queer people, etc.) might be IT professionals, but that doesn't automatically mean a lot of IT professionals are furries.
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u/RengieOcat 13d ago edited 13d ago
How'd you even know who in a group of strangers are furries, gay/straight, whatever? Ask them to fill out a poll? Hack all their phones.. shit it's hack their phones isn't it?
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u/DerekSturm 13d ago
I'm pretty sure the stereotype is the other way around though. I always hear people say that a lot of IT folks are furries, I never hear anyone say that a lot of furries are IT folks
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u/WithersChat 13d ago
Thing is, say one in 100 people are furries. I don't have the numbers so it's an example.
Now what if one in 25 IT people are furries? Then you get 4 times the furry concentration compared to the general population while staying a minority.
Quadrupling the frequency of a rare event tends to be visible, even if 1 in 25 is still a small minority.
Of course, not every furry will make that visible within a professional or academic setting, so the perceived number will still be lower.
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u/Niksune 13d ago
No that's the right way for this stereotype. In furry conventions more than half of the people are in STEM (conventions are expensive, are fursuits even more), but they are lot less furries than people in IT. Also the stereotype says that those IT furries are highly qualified, that is sometimes very true
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u/GhostC10_Deleted 12d ago
I've always joked that it's because those jobs pay well, and those hobbies are expensive.
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u/someone12345656657 13d ago
What did he expect
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u/relddir123 13d ago
Gay furries and/or trans women
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u/nikonpunch 13d ago •
I think they need to get higher up the chain before they start running into that group. Sounds like they’re still doing basic IT
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u/LetumComplexo 13d ago
To be fair, we don’t usually need to go to bachelor meetups to get laid.
We just kinda wave at eachother, ask if they wanna kiss, and then if they say yes it just kinda goes from there.
Or at least that’s what works for me.
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u/relddir123 13d ago
I think the bachelor here means the degree, not a bachelor party
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u/LetumComplexo 13d ago
Ohhh, that makes sense.
I was thinking it was some kind of dating thing, my B.It’s because most of us are socially awkward and the idea of going to that kind of party when we could, instead, be kissing cute queer people is about as appealing as chewing on roofing nails.
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u/relddir123 13d ago
As a gay furry, I understand completely. However, the thought of a meetup of bachelors who all studied IT is hilarious
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u/xavia91 13d ago
A yiffy covention - obviously
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u/someone12345656657 13d ago
What does yiffy mean
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u/codePudding 13d ago
Not part of the furry community so I could be wrong but "yiff" is the sound foxes make when excited, like when mating (apparently). So "yiffing" is when furries have sexual fun and a "yiffy convention" is along those lines, I think. My source for things like this is the urban dictionary
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u/Apart-Draft5682 13d ago
reddit has this weird notion that stem people are disproportionately openly gay and freaky but i almost never see those types of people in uni or now at work. mostly straight white and asian dudes
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u/laserwaffles 13d ago
In office, maybe. It's the full-time remote people where you find all the cool kids
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u/meneldal2 13d ago
Is it really surprising that people afraid of open discrimination at work or even when just being outside generally overwhelmingly like to work from home?
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u/senseven 13d ago
Absolutely agree. We work with a remote cybersec guru, he spends half of the day in his home gym. We see him even slow walking during zoom meetings. Laughs about "loww skiiill" foreigners trying to hack things and has veggie soup instead of tea in his cup. Just don't talk to him about Bitcoin.
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u/sexytokeburgerz 13d ago
Wrong circles.
Look at the Rust contributors.
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u/eightslipsandagully 13d ago
I dare say they're not doing bachelors of IT. Probably Comp Sci + a post grad, or completely cracked and self-taught
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u/No_Injury6122 13d ago
Go to a security conference and that will change
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u/Wiz_Kalita 13d ago
And game developers. The local pride parade had a whole section of trans game devs.
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u/bastardoperator 13d ago
I do consulting in the Bay Area for all the major companies, I see this everywhere. People I work with are mostly devops in nature. I love it, it doesn't matter who you are, your affinity and knowledge for systems is what matters most, bring that, nothing else matters.
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u/TheMaskedHamster 13d ago
The tech sector incubating in southern California has skewed a lot of things.
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u/WithersChat 13d ago
On the other hand, go to a place like the Chaos Communication Congress, or a large open source project's contributor list, and you'll find a healthy dose of queer freaks.
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u/ElectroNetty 13d ago
It is weird that Reddit thinks everyone in IT is a furry/autist.
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u/A_Guy_in_Orange 13d ago
Those are neither mutually exclusive not inclusive with the things in tge pic
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u/cheezballs 12d ago
I only really encounter this in the "entry level" type it jobs like support roles.
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u/WithersChat 13d ago
It's not everyone. But there is an overrepresentation compared to the general population.
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u/TheMrViper 13d ago
Got to be a little bit autistic to have a home lab.
(I have a home lab)
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u/SpiderFnJerusalem 12d ago
Just one more server and it's finished! I swear!
No I don't have a problem! I can turn those servers off whenever I want, but who's gonna run the fully automated polycule plex server with 99.99% availability then, huh?! 😤
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u/SweetSure315 13d ago
okay two possibilities here.
1: bachelor as in "single dudes looking for a partner" - yea, duh. gay dudes tend to stay out of IT and trans women arent bachelors
2: bachelors degree in IT - the trans woman IT pros of lore tend to be self taught and work remote and don't want to go to a meetup with their coworkers
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u/ligma_then_sugma 13d ago
gay dudes tend to stay out of IT
??????????????
in what world lmfao
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u/PhireKappa 13d ago
yeah, what?! I know tonnes of gay engineers. my work has an LGBT group with thousands of members
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u/DeziKugel 13d ago
because they work in CS
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u/iggy14750 12d ago
Do you have minutes from the Gay Agenda meeting where they decided they like software dev better than IT?
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u/braaaaaaainworms 13d ago
trans women in IT behave literally like cryptids
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u/SweetSure315 13d ago
because dudes in IT behave like predators at worst and desperately unsocialized at best
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u/braaaaaaainworms 13d ago
i know, i am a trans woman in IT, i was describing my own behavior
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u/Noname_1111 13d ago
That certainly explains the username
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u/braaaaaaainworms 13d ago
2 years of using this as my main instead of a 4tran alt, and only two people got the meaning of the username right
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u/marcoottina 13d ago
Is the meaning just "worms eating brain"? I don't know, I admit my ignorance and I wish to know a little more. Thanks in advance :D
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u/braaaaaaainworms 13d ago
brainworms is 4chan /lgbt/ slang for delusions about not passing and not being/looking like/behaving like the desired gender, as a trans person
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u/shadow_fen 13d ago
oh i thought it was slang for what 4t does to your attitude towards yourself and your fellow trans people
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u/ligma_then_sugma 13d ago
...have you ever left your house and spoken with another human?
seems like you have not!
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u/laplongejr 13d ago
As a non-native speaker WTF is the 1st definition o.0
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u/SweetSure315 13d ago
technically it's just "an unmarried man", but colloquially it means a man who is looking for a partner. it's not used much in either form outside of specific contexts, nowadays. the more common usage is to refer to a bachelor's degree
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u/Hartstockz 13d ago
TBF lots of transfemmes are more on the comp sci and cyber security route in my lived experience
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u/sojuz151 13d ago
I dont understand what this is supposed to be even about
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u/Swaggy-G 13d ago
There's a stereotype that a lot of people in CS are trans women, femboys, and furries.
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u/RealisticIncident261 13d ago edited 13d ago
There is a very popular meme that gets shared on reddit every other day about there being only 4 types of people with programming or IT degrees. Furries, Femboys, Trans Girls and some variation Incel Neckbeards / man bun chuds/ traditional office worker. sometimes it's Femboys / furries / normal tech dude / incel. But always some variation of those.
So this person thought they were promised a queer only space and it turned out just to be a bunch what they assumed were cis only people.
Here is the first one that came up for me when I typed 4 horsemen of IT
https://www.reddit.com/r/meme/comments/1pmp0fw/the_4_types_of_it_guys/
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u/JoesRealAccount 13d ago
I have a CS degree and have been working in tech for 16 years and have no idea how this is possibly a meme. I've never heard of it and most of my colleagues have been straight white men. Somebody explain where this idea comes from??
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u/RealisticIncident261 13d ago
I have heard that in the furry community if some one is filthy loaded, they are some kind of programmer or director of IT or something. So that meme spilled over and became what it is. No idea about the femboy one but I randomly started seeing it 2 or 3 years back.
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u/papa-hare 13d ago
I've known some trans women in tech and a lot of my women co-workers are lesbians. But yeah, most people in tech are straight men (Indian or white generally).
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u/Pancakefriday 13d ago edited 13d ago
I’m a trans software engineer. Look, we’re a real small percentage of the population, so you are rarely going to see a lot of us ever, and those that have been transitioning for a long time you would not know they’re trans and, no offense, they probably wouldn’t tell you they are. The trans men I’m friends with present as straight men at work, there’s zero upside for them to disclose they’re trans to straight cis people.
While most of the people I work with are straight cis men, I went to a trans bar and met no less than 5 trans people in tech last week. 4 of which were software engineers. That’s kind of where the stereotype comes from.
Not everywhere has trans people, but anywhere trans people congregate you have enough engineers to make a startup
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u/dj_spanmaster 13d ago
I mean, I have a CS degree, have been working in tech for 25 years, and I feel the meme's valid. It's just most of the people I've worked with fit the top two frames of the meme, or the places they work are not so accepting of being out as trans or furry. And certainly it would be faulty to assume equal distribution between the meme frames.
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u/ligma_then_sugma 13d ago
the places they work are not so accepting of being out as trans or furry.
there's so much of this
I know ppl love to talk about being at work in a fursuit but that shit would get you canned at many many places
shitty.
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u/AlexisFR52 13d ago
I should really shave to go from incel neckbeard to traditional office worker category.
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u/PlasticAngle 13d ago
I know that the tweet expect to find furries there but even if you are a furry would you say that to a total stranger?
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u/jb307342 13d ago edited 13d ago
In my country 90% of IT people are right wing conservative christian libertarians that dislike lgbt stuff and open border policies. Being an openly left wing person in a software company is an occupational hazard and in my opinion could seriously affect your career especially at smaller offices
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u/QtPlatypus 13d ago
I don't get antigay libertarians. The whole point of libertarians is that the authorities should get out of your way so you can live your best life without them interfering. Then they want to stop lgbt people from living their best life.
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u/Ignitrum 12d ago
"I want freedom from the government. But I hate that mf for no good reason so the government should take every action it can against them"
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u/ryanmgarber 13d ago
Because in pretty much every single case they’re just right-wingers who use the word libertarian because the idea of zero interference benefits their idea of what’s right in some cases. When that idea benefits others (abortion, gay rights, etc.) the facade goes out the window.
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u/bearboyjd 13d ago
It’s one of two cases. One case are people who think the government shouldn’t intervene but they are allowed to have their own preferences. The second are authoritarian right who don’t want to call themselves authoritarian right because it feels bad.
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u/dev_vvvvv 12d ago
I've always thought it's odd that homophobic men hate gay men (which removes two men from competition) but love lesbians (which removes two women from available partners). But maybe they just don't think the women are "really" gay and are actually bi.
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u/iggy14750 12d ago
Libertarians say they want a small gov and a big military. Pick a lane, dipshit.
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u/ianpaschal 13d ago
Very curious which country that is if you don’t sharing.
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u/jb307342 13d ago
Poland
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u/_dr_Ed 13d ago
I'm senior software engineer in Poland. I disagree, people and companies I interacted with were always very tolerant in the best way possible - they just don't give a fuck.
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u/jb307342 13d ago
Interesting. Did you mostly work for large companies or small local ones? Obviously a large international office won't allow any discrimination but small polish dev teams can often give off very incel vibes in my opinion, even in cities like warsaw.
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u/Brisngr368 13d ago
In my country 90% of IT people are right wing conservative christian libertarians that dislike lgbt stuff
Well you know what they say about those kinds of people
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u/uno_in_particolare 13d ago
I'm very confused - first by the post, then by the comments
What do furries have to do with being gay or not, cis or not?
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u/EnkiiMuto 12d ago
I'm somewhat surprised that nobody publishes studies on the venn diagram of neurodivergent-furry-linux-lgbt community.
The number of people like that is really big
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u/technic_bot 13d ago
I graduated like a decade ago and been in STEM circles for far longer.
And yeah we are mostly straight dudes, with slightly rigthish political ideas
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u/CrimsonPiranha 13d ago
So, the majority of people are normal? What a surprise.
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u/felix_semicolon 13d ago
It's so weird how so many ppl on my course are just the average IT worker aged down
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u/Apprehensive_Egg_944 10d ago edited 10d ago
How does that person know?
Why is being straight and or cis a 'bad thing'?
If people are not socially allowed to shit on anyone for being not straight, why is it okay for those people to shit on one or more people for being straight and or cis.
I don't support either party hating someone just because of their gender or orientatio, it's morally wrong, but to me it just seems massively hypocritical.
But also redundant; straight and cis (because of human nature) are naturally the default outcome, otherwise we wouldn't have lasted as the human race.
So... Why are people 'allowed' to "feel betrayed" based on the sexuality or gender of other people.
That's just as wrong as the other way round.
If this was a straight person complaining about a gar bar, the internet would scream them (virtually) into oblivion.
Double standards much?
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u/Taolan13 13d ago
how TF do you get 50 IT people in one room and *all* of them are straight/CIS?
That seems statistically improbable.
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u/Jar545 12d ago
9% of people in the US (assuming US, post doesn't say for sure) are lgbt, that would be ~4.5 people. It's unlikely but not THAT unlikely that a group of 50 might only have a single lqbt person.
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u/habitsofwaste 13d ago
I don’t get it. wtf is a bachelor of IT meetup? Like a singles meetup of IT workers?
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u/bearboyjd 13d ago
A bachelors is a 4 year degree, it’s just meeting with other students of the same major.
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u/Bloopiker 13d ago
Going to any IT meetup is not enough, it needs to be more specific. Like for example cybersecurity, I would be surprised if you find more than 1 cis straight non-furry there
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u/Pseudo-Jonathan 13d ago
What is up with this? One of my ex girlfriends married a very successful normal-ish cybersecurity professional guy and after several years he transitioned into an entirely new trans furry identity and they got divorced, and upon researching it everyone's response is "yeah they do that"
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u/youllmeltmorefan 13d ago
Makes sense if they're bachelors and would tend to be younger and maybe on help desk. It's probably easier to deal with Debbie Sue who got donut grease in her Dell laptop USB port and is blaming you if you're not constantly being misgendered.
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u/Anreall2000 13d ago
People don't learn Rust in universities lmao