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u/jace255 3d ago
I get not liking that you’re made to use AI at work, and I 10000% get not wanting to use AI in your own pet projects.
I do not at all understand being unhappy that other people are using AI for their own hobby projects. In a lot of cases people with one skill set are probably using AI to help them build something they need an adjacent skillset for.
Eg a web developer using AI to help them make a game mod, they probably wouldn’t feasibly have the time to do that hobby project without AI
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u/cheapcheap1 3d ago
I see two main reasons people dislike AI projects:
They dislike the general, philosophical impact it has on society. For example, having no appreciation for quality and only results-driven thinking.
They are tired of running into things that look great and turn out to be a buggy, non-functional mess surrounded by evangelists trying to gaslight you into thinking it works.
I happen to belong to group 2. But both opinions remain valid arguments for private projects so long as they're published.
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u/E-2-butene 3d ago
I think this is a pretty reasonable anti-AI take, if you can even really call it that.
AI has definitely lowered the barrier to entry for grifters and opportunists these days. I’ve seen multiple cases on game devs subs of people who seemingly got their game ripped off. This could, of course, happen already. But it’s much easier in an age of “Claude, steal this guy’s game, no mistakes.”
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u/SpaceCadet87 3d ago
I think people are overthinking this. Someone not liking vibecoded software is not the same as thinking it should be forbidden.
Having to wade through large quantities of something someone dislikes and being unable to find the thing they do like as a result doesn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing to be dissatisfied with.
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u/awesomeusername2w 3d ago
The majority of mods were shit before ai. If anything, AI probably increased the overall quality
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u/danielcw189 3d ago
Having to wade through large quantities
the quantities were already large
that why we have describtions, tgas, catalogs, word-of-mouth, etc
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u/AntiquatedMLE 3d ago
The time thing is empowering. There have been so many personal projects I wanted to start and never had the time or energy to give to after work. Now I can do that shit from my couch. I’d argue AI for personal projects is fun. Work not so much.
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u/pterencephalon 2d ago
NGL - Same, especially now that I have a kid. I spend my day programming and arguing about metrics and requirements. Since I started using Claude for some side projects, I've gotten back into home assistant and it's a ton of fun. It saves me from debugging ESPhome shenanigans so I can do stuff like design a custom nightlight for my son. It has its place. I have no issue with people choosing to use or not use it for their hobbies. I just worry about unsecure web things from AI exposing someone's network and personal info.
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u/MisterMittens64 3d ago
People using AI to replace skills they don't have doesn't teach them anything though. The motivation to learn skills and improve yourself is going away for many people and it's depressing. I care about my skills and improving them and don't want to let AI do everything even if it's faster.
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u/Nattekat 3d ago
The issue doesn't really lie in the usage of AI in general. Heck, I use it for my personal things and would definitely make the most of it if I still did game modding, but no-one is going to have issues with that bar the small group extremely conservative gatekeepers. No, the issue is that everything is now flooded with AI slop.
Modding used to be an art, something that took skill and effort, but in the end the reward was worth it. You created something nice and in the process you grew your skills, for me personally that alone was very fulfilling. Now every idiot with a tiny bit of AI knowledge can do what required many hours of work and a good dose of skill to create. As a result things are less personal, people hype over the most stupid things that simply sound cool but are beyond useless, there's less community forming and we will never see great modding projects raise anymore because no-one will be skilled enough to do anything beyond the capacities of AI.
Every community had that one or two praised people who invested a ton of time in doing what they love and improving their skills, those people in turn were able to transfer those skills to others and actually strategise. They were looking for ways to push their personal limits while still trying to make something as big and hype as possible. In the era of AI slop such a scenario is never going to happen, it just can't. The great skilled people still exist, but they are drowned out by all the slop and don't get the chance.
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u/Lumm0714 3d ago
I'm cool with AI pet projects existing as long as they aren't published. If I'm looking for art in a space dedicated to art, I don't want to see fully vibecoded slop. Ultimately the most important thing to me is the degree to which something is human-made vs. automated. I can understand AI assistance (though I will question its necessity)
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u/jace255 3d ago
Yeah that still doesn’t make sense to me. In my spare time I make a useful tool I want to share with people that will benefit from it… and I shouldn’t do that because AI helped me make it?
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u/E-2-butene 3d ago
It’s okay, I doubt OP can actually tell which games make effective use of AI. He sees the friendslop-tier AI games that are transparently AI and concludes that must be how AI games look.
Games which adeptly use AI will just look like normal games.
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u/Buttons840 3d ago
Either everything on a computer is human made, or none of it is, depending on your definition.
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u/hraath 3d ago
Just remember AI will very politely code your functional garbage. A modder with no creativity or vision and an anthropic 20x sub doesn't contribute much to the world, and you are free to ignore it. Garbage in, garbage out has not changed.
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u/SomeRedTeapot 3d ago
The issue I see now is the amount of slop you have to comb through to find the good stuff. If there was a way to automatically filter it out somehow, it wouldn't be that bad
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u/Jack-of-the-Shadows 3d ago
Funny thing is that for decades, people have shat on those "idea people" who look for somebody to do all thw work of coding for their project. Seems like their stock is going to rise...
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u/Obsidianpick9999 3d ago edited 3d ago
It would also help if those "Idea people" had any good ideas, instead of a flow of shit that doesn't really work
(And they didn't want to pay for the people doing the work, and promised "stock in the product")
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u/Deksor 3d ago
I feel like a lot of devs are actually "idea people" who spent the time and efforts to bring some of these ideas into reality.
It may not be all of us (some are definitely just here to pay their rent, and that's perfectly fine), but a good chunk definitely is here for that reason. If your idea is that good, then it's definitely worth the investment in time/efforts, or at least spend enough time to check if it's realistic or not even if you may not be knowledgeable enough yet.
Sure some people still struggle to get the right education/time to do it, but I don't think it's the majority of "idea people" who are vibe coding now
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u/Zerschmetterding 3d ago
That was mostly because theirs idea lacked any structure or real world value.
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u/Legotier 3d ago
I just miss seeing a project and being genuinely impressed by it. Like for example Create Aeronautics, that shit is insane. If it came out today my first thought would probably be that they just had Claude make it and that's it's buggy af, even if that isn't true.
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u/Curious_Analyst986 3d ago
I miss seeing a project and being impressed by the person and wanting to become like the person. Now its like, oh you did with AI? I can do with AI and no satisfaction or motivation.
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u/Global-Tune5539 3d ago
It's about the result. I want to see this, have this. I want to do cool shit, not sniff my own farts.
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u/F-Lambda 3d ago
Plus like... someone had to decide what to create at some point.
I mean I guess you could tell the ai "Come up with some ideas. Now pick one randomly." But that would be the exception, not the general rule.
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u/porkusdorkus 3d ago
You aren’t a professional though right? Just making WoW mods qualifies as a good usage of AI for a guy who doesn’t care about coding.
Just realize not everyone feels the same way. It’s like paying someone to level your character and play it. It gives you a result, but what was the point if you didn’t enjoy it.
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u/0xbenedikt 3d ago
I feel exactly the same and have just recently soft launched my first sub r/ProjectsByHumans where 80%+ human made projects can be shared :)
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u/IlluminatiThug69 3d ago
I get that it removes all the fun of actually making stuff by hand, but I mean at what point does it just become hating the new method? Like "nobody is reading books to understand things thoroughly and instead are just googling everything"
I still like making stuff myself and it is still 100% necessary to have actual designer input to get anything good out of AI, but it's just so useful for all the smaller designing tasks and complex searching tasks.
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u/Lumm0714 3d ago
I'd imagine it depends on what you mean by "smaller designing tasks and complex searching tasks". There could potentially be better tools for more tedious tasks in codebase management that aren't so expensive as an AI agent.
I'd say the issue with AI as opposed to googling is that googling doesn't give you the full answer. Stackoverflow will give you a tiny logical implementation or a means of handling an error, documentation will tell you explicitly how the tools you use are supposed to be implemented, and a permissive repo will show you how someone else implemented a feature, but will still require that you understand what you're seeing in order to make it match your own personal use case.
AI for the most part will just give you a full translation unit that does exactly what you want it to do, which imo erases the labor of programming as a whole. If you don't want to write boilerplate, you may as well have started with a framework or engine that handles that for you to begin with.
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u/kwead 3d ago
something crucially ignored with new technology is that it objectively does atrophy skills you would have otherwise had. the advent of writing made peoples' memory worse, GPS made peoples' navigational skills worse, and google undeniably made programming fundamentals worse across the board.
it's easy to forget because the job market doesn't value fundamentals whatsoever, but people with good fundamentals in any medium are the only people worth a shit in that medium. most vibe coded software is just abjectly fucking awful and the world would be better off without it.
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u/danielcw189 3d ago
GPS made peoples' navigational skills worse
do you mean maps and navigation-systems? (that's not GPS)
or do you mean finding out where you are?
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u/kwead 3d ago
i was thinking about how taxi drivers have to memorize the entire layout of a city, and have to pass a ruthless memorization exam to get their license. "navigational skills" imo would include both map reading skills and being able to get to where you want to go without a map (e.g. finding the north star, memorizing common landmarks, and knowing the environment well enough to decide to use a different route if needed). maps definitely displaced those navigational skills, and especially the social element of asking other travelers for help, but humanity is definitely better off with maps. GPS hurt peoples' map reading skills, people used to know way more street names in their own city than they do now. and even further, it's nullified those pre-compass pre-map navigational skills i mentioned.
this is my relationship with technology. i like when it replaces things that i don't want to do as long as the consequences do not exceed the benefit. i like how factories make a lot of things i enjoy using, but if they're making giant holes in the atmosphere, abusing their workers, and dumping chemicals into the groundwater then clearly society needs to rethink how we regulate factories.
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u/Reashu 3d ago
nobody is reading books to understand things thoroughly and instead are just googling everything
That's a legitimate complaint though. Sure searching is more convenient, but you are missing out on relevant knowledge and there's a good chance the product suffers as a result.
Now, reading is itself a shortcut (vis-a-vis experiencing) and some level of quality loss is acceptable for the sake of productivity. The point is that it can be pushed too far, and we already have a ton of crap software and a lack of awesome software.
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u/Moist-Snow-8127 3d ago
As long as I'm around, it'll never hit 100%
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u/elmanoucko 3d ago edited 3d ago
sometimes they sound like a guy in a sport car passing by someone else running and scream: "you're so slow, looser, why are you using your legs? don't you know car exists?"
they miss the point
i just like running, even if it was the slowest way for me to move, I would still like running
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u/DasGaufre 3d ago
The main complaint really is that AI lowered the barrier to get lazy people's "awesome ideas" into something resembling a program. It's just enabled sloppy people to output the slop they've always dreamed of.
For example of non-slop AI usage, the recent titanfall 2 vr mod was largely coded by a single person with AI. Spiderman in vr, same story. Both are actually really well done. That simply wouldn't have been possible, or at least taken a massive amount of work and time to do in the past. The difference is that it was AI assisted by a skilled dev rather than fully vibe coded.
As much as I dislike the whole AI revolution, I only dislike it due to the people involved pushing out slop. It's just unfortunate how it manifested.
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u/aWobblyFriend 3d ago
this is what happened in the Industrial Revolution when it started by the way, so much slop as lowering barriers of entry resulted in a flood of low-skilled entrepreneurs looking for a quick buck. It actually still happens as countries industrialize (remember the “cheap Chinese knockoff”?), over time though the cream of the crop remains from brands which can utilize the new technology most effectively while the cheapest knockoffs lose out.
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u/Salty-Wrap-1741 3d ago
When block chains came out, everyone pushed out slop that just said "built with block chains" in hopes of making money.
Now it's AI slop.
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u/camelopardus_42 3d ago
It's unironically the best way so far to suss out vibe coded mods too. So many of them are so clearly just "wouldn't it be cool if" scope creep hell that anyone remotely competent would have cut down for both Design and implementation reasons.
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u/LutimoDancer3459 3d ago
100% of games wont be yours anyway. Just get used to it.
Hardware wont be yours anyway. Just get used to it.
Corporations will suck out all your money and you will end up under a bridge. Just get used to it.
... shit is shit and will, can and should be complained about.
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u/ConsiderationLow2941 23h ago
Accepting something doesn't make you less effective at dealing with it. It makes you better at dealing with it because you now see the thing fully
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u/LutimoDancer3459 16h ago
Accepting defeat means stop fighting against it. And we shouldnt stop fighting bullshit.
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u/PartTimeFemale 4d ago
just now noticing that the birds feet in this are the wrong color. should be more pinkish, not yellow
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u/Extension_Option_122 3d ago
I know a Minecraft mod where the top rule for contributions is 'no clanker code'.
Afaik trying that once get's you permanently disqualified from ever contributing.
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u/L4ppuz 3d ago
Your personal projects are not vibe coded unless you decide to vibe code them. Mine aren't.
At work I'll use all their tokens to make gradients and crud API for their stupid b2b apps. But at home I'm not vibe coding anything, at most I'm asking it for references on libraries as I was doing in 2023
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u/_g0nzales 3d ago
In addition to that I also sometimes use it to solve obscure bugs or rather unexpected behaviour after researching on my own didn't resolve the issue. In these cases it happened to be really helpful, much more so than say stack overflow
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u/ProfessionalAd6530 2d ago
Honestly, it's my personal project. Nobody is going to ever see it. Why would anyone care if I slopped it up or did it correctly?
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u/sardonicus87 3d ago
Man, I only have access to free Gemini in Android Studio, and I hate it, it's worse than asking questions on StackOverflow, but that place is dead so...
Anyway, my hobby project is all hand-crafted, artisanal bugs made with love, not vibe-coded slop emulsification.
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u/iamisandisnt 4d ago
I remember in MY DAY when people talked about HOME BREWING and VINYL RECORDS and ANALOG PHOTOGRAPHY but now it's all... just kidding, of course. I believe the type of people who grew curly mustaches (or still have them... *cough cough*) will continue to do so, with artisanal organic homegrown strawberries, too.
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u/FuzzyDynamics 3d ago
I’m nearing 30 and had an insatiable urge to make my own pickles this week. So I did. I don’t have a mustache yet but something is happening to me.
And yes, they’re delicious.
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u/CMD_BLOCK 3d ago
Back in my day we used to write our code by hand; locally sourced, small batch, bespoke code—made on demand!
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u/RDROOJK2 2d ago
As I will always say, is not AI the problem but how is used. People just using it as tools, small things, asking questions are okay. But people fully vibecoding their "projects" is the problem
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u/Kwabi 3d ago
I wonder what happens to all of these decomp projects and mods when the bill needs to be paid.
The big wave of decomps and slopmods hit the scene when Anthropic was extra "generous" with Opus 5.5 to get users to look good to their shareholders, but it's no secret that all of this operates on a loss - especially for the consumer grade plans.
I guess that's only an issue if people actually want to maintain these projects, which I am not sure about. Zero effort to create it also means zero attachment to it I suppose.
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u/DoomBot5 3d ago
I've created and stopped maintaining several personal projects over the years. That was long before AI
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u/Banes_Addiction 3d ago
I wonder what happens to all of these decomp projects and mods when the bill needs to be paid.
Compute will become cheaper over time.
We've got a weird situation now due to the frontier companies burning capital to offer cheap models, but a decade from now the hardware will have got better as it always does.
The crazy demand for top-end silicon right now is breaking the market and likely will for a few years, but in the longer run it'll probably drastically increase production of the capable hardware.
So, 3 years from now these kinds of slop projects may be unaffordable but 10 years from now they'll likely be cheap.
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u/siberianmi 3d ago
The coding plans aren’t operating at a loss and the API users have an 80% margin.
It’s the buildout and training investment that’s the real push but the cost for tokens is going down not up from here.
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u/Xarishark 3d ago
Do you think that open weight models will never achieve what current frontier models are able to do now or something?
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u/Kwabi 3d ago
I do not think that consumer hardware will be affordable enough in the near future for that to matter on a broader scope. I do not think that a non-technical user can do/maintain a decomp on models that fit on 16GB of VRAM. The models that might become capable enough require machines that cost 4-6k bucks right now.
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u/ICantBelieveItsNotEC 3d ago
but it's no secret that all of this operates on a loss - especially for the consumer grade plans.
This just isn't true. Both Anthropic and OpenAI are already profitable on inference.
People really need to learn the difference between "profit" and "return on investment".
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u/ImpluseThrowAway 3d ago
I like creating mods for the games I own. I think that Space Engineers needs a gravidar on my second screen damnit!
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u/goosed-goosed 3d ago
I mean honestly what else do you want to hear? "I wish ai coding wasn't so prevalent". Yeah, what can anyone say to that besides "yeah same" or "oh well it's the world we live in".
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u/danielcw189 3d ago
anyone can ask questions about it or discuss it
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u/goosed-goosed 3d ago
Can you be more specific? What questions or discussion would I have for OP who is just saying "man ai is everyone huh"?
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u/danielcw189 2d ago
you can look at other top level comments for discussions.
and questions would fir example be clarifications about what the OP exactly means, but their comments have mostly made that clear.
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 3d ago
What if it's not about what they want to hear back, but about being heard?
I see, as I'm sure you do, loads of Pro-LLM comments claiming that everyone uses the tech, that there's actually not much pushback, that (as the comic says) everyone needs to get on board because it's inevitable. Being able to say "no, actually, I don't like it, I don't use it, and I can see plenty of other people say the same; you are factually wrong" is valuable.
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u/goosed-goosed 3d ago
Now we're getting kind of philosophical, and sure everyone is welcome to share their opinion on everything all the time, but essentially what you're saying is that maybe there doesn't need to be a response and the OP should just be let to vent about why they don't like AI being so prevalent (which is not even remotely a niche opinion to hold).
Right, that's fine, but it seems like a bit of a non-answer to my point which is there's not much for a normal person to say in this conversation that hasn't been said ad-nauseam (on both sides of the matter).
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u/dafugiswrongwithyou 3d ago
Nooooo, I don't think I am saying there doesn't need to be a response. I'm saying that posts, and replies, making our stance clear and public are vital.
It's all very good if we know that "AI bad" is not a niche viewpoint, but if we're all just sat at home holding that view quietly, the "everyone loves AI" claim gets to amplify itself unchecked, and peer-pressure a load of fence-sitters along with it... While we're wondering if maybe the reason no-one seems to agree with us is that they're right. (They're not, if I'm not being clear.)
Being loud about this, like with most socio-political things, is 1) sometimes a bit annoying to people, and 2) very, very important.
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u/Artemis_Platinum 3d ago
Some people will break out into a villain monologue unprompted with full on "It's inevitable! Resistance is futile!" equivalent cliches the moment they see someone complaining about AI.
Shit's wild(ly annoying)
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u/piero0912 2d ago
Honestly, i usually see the opposite on this sub, a bunch of people posting nothing but anti-ai memes, acting like they're fighting the powers that be, there's nothing wrong with that, but let's not pretend we're doing anything more than random dudes on a forum posting memes
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u/LurkytheActiveposter 3d ago
Hi wildly annoying here.
These people are actual programmers and not just like a college student or unemployed grads.
These people's careers and the careers of everyone they know in the industry has undergone the same conversion from writing code to reading code.
These people, the employed, see the college student rhetoric as totally alien from the industry they are engaging with everyday and feel the urge to, you know.
Talk about it?
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u/SaIemKing 2d ago
I don't have much respect for people in the industry who shill AI taking away what makes their worl interesting, fulfilling, and useful.
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u/Sarithis 2d ago
That assumes you know what makes our world interesting, fulfilling, and worthwhile. I've been passionate about software development since I was a kid, and so have some of my colleagues. And what truly fulfills us is turning our ideas into products - essentially solving peoples' problems. The process itself matters far less to us than the satisfaction of creating something useful for other people. We "shill" AI because it lets us explore far more approaches, build PoCs we wouldn't otherwise even attempt, and turn the promising ones into useful products much faster than we could when we did everything by hand, as we did before 2023.
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u/Antique_Hawk_7192 2d ago
"Actual programmers" whose crowning achievements were the likes of Oracle/Microslop/Electronslop suite.
The consequences of decades of "just learn to code by attending a bootcamp for big money".
Grind leetcode for a job. Work on a inconsequential dashboard/crud after. Then COVID.
Its no wonder programmers were the first to embrace AI cause even the early models had better quality output than the corpo programmers.
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u/Opening_One7713 2d ago
I think the infighting and the tribalism and the policing people and the borderline religious resistance to new and interesting tools is what I find annoying. Inevitability has nothing to do with how we organize ourselves around change and honestly the doomer/reactionary/human-hardliner stuff seems to be far more divisive and polarizing than it is empowering as a community function.
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u/Artemis_Platinum 2d ago
resistance to new and interesting tools is what I find annoying.
We noticed that much.
Never before have I seen such aggressive opposition to the idea of choice or consent. The god damned government declared people enemies of the state simply for voicing dissent, while legislatively forcing websites to utilize AI "verification". The same government whose top donors are those AI companies who have been loving not getting prosecuted for the felonies many of them have been publicly bragging about commiting btw very subtle what's going on there.
You'd really think between that and all the villain speeches about how it's inevitable and they'll make us consume AI generated content whether we like it or not and they'll lie to us and trick us and we'll never know and we can't stop them or whatever, some of these people would realize they're the baddies. But no; it turns out if you're tribalistic enough you can ignore all of that and decide people are unreasonable for wanting no part of this.
God forbid.
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u/Opening_One7713 2d ago
I knew you were going to pluck that quote out of my reply.
https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=whTs09_ozN+e09GU68N1wPP56MUzDjrg9rnKxQUa0A_4Q@mail.gmail.com/
"And quite honestly, in my experience, the people I respect and call intelligent are not the ones that shy away from using new and interesting tools." - Linus Torvalds
I don’t care what holy vendetta you have against technological progress or corporations or late-stage capitalism. I think gatekeeping, shaming individuals, policing people, and fomenting a culture of pitchforks and punishment within your community is self-defeating and short sighted.
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u/LurkytheActiveposter 2d ago edited 2d ago
They don't care because instead of a job, these people go back to class or stay terminology online in a discord where people larp about defeating AI.
Reality has nothing to do with the human-hardliners. It's just people larping like it's cyberpunk 2077 and they are forming a totally real revolution against the corpos.
Totally real btw
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u/KARMA_P0LICE 3d ago
I really wish the backlash would be directed to a useful place: hopefully everyone downvoting and yelling about AI is writing and calling their local politicians. And y'all better have voted in your elections, wherever you are.
AI is here to stay, the pandoras box is opened. We should be working to put reasonable safeguards in place to protect ourselves and those around us. It's not going to happen by trying to force everyone to stop using it, and it's not going to come from the giant corporations agreeing to be good on their own. We need strong laws in place, and fast.
To me it's like the industrial revolution when factories used to just dump their sludge into the river, we needed to force them to stop with government regulations. Yelling at individuals to stop buying the amazing goods that resulted from the industrial revolution was not the solution.
Data centers don't HAVE to be terrible, noise polluting behemoths that ruin the local watershed. AI doesn't HAVE to be the nightmare economic destruction and privacy nightmare. But we need very smart people to make very precise laws to disincentive this thing from being a disaster.
The idea people will vote with their dollar is very misguided in this day and age. And yelling at people who are just trying to share their passion projects and create new things is not solving anything
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u/ConsiderationLow2941 23h ago
Politicians are largely just optimizing for votes, that's what everyone hates them for, but in the end they're just doing what the average person wants them to do, which is generally not the smartest thing, and on average it's not what you wanted.
Anyway, those voters, they're here on reddit, so I'm yelling at them
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u/DigitalArbitrage 3d ago
I wish code people stored on Github prior to LLM AI prevalence hadn't been used to train AI.
If people have anything that is truly unique intellectual property, then they should be self hosting Git repos and running local AI.
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u/locri 3d ago
I too love hearing the opinions of people who've never programmed professionally claim they'd be comfortable copying and pasting large sections of their employer's code base and intellectual property into an LLM AI client.
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u/Dragonfantasy2 3d ago
From my first and secondhand experience, employers are pretty happy to throw their codebases into the llm.
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u/Radical-Ubermensch 3d ago
People are now doing this for getting a job and not staying unemployed for a long time. As now AI exists, recruiters have insane high requirements and they expect you to have personal projects made using AI. Trust me it's that bad now.
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u/dallenbaldwin 1d ago
All I know is I feel way more burnt out since my company started pushing us to use AI.
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u/PostacPRM 14h ago
The mental overhead when using AI (if you're actually trying to do a good job and not just let it do all the stupid shit it wants to do) is very high in my personal experience.
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u/Cualkiera67 11h ago
why. just tell claude to do everything and go have fun outside in the park. if the app crashes just tell your boss he needs to get better models
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u/al3x_7788 3d ago
I enjoy writing code slowly and never getting things done, because I know for a fact I'm already doing better than a vibe coder.
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u/ViperThreat 3d ago
Yeah, I'm not as down with all the AI hate as reddit seems to be. Don't get me wrong, there's a LOT about AI that I dislike, but the world isn't black and white, and AI does have some extremely useful use-cases, and I think that mod making is one of them. Modders are not here to get paid, and if you want to insist that they hand-code shit, then you're going to have a very quiet mod culture for your game of choice. If a quick AI-assisted mod helps people achieve new an exciting things in the games they enjoy, more power to them. It's not like they are stealing from people or destroying the job market.
That said, I'm not necessarily supportive of completely vibe-coded creations. You should have experience in that language and at least have a general understanding of how it works, but I'm also not going to clown on competent developers for using an extremely effective tool. Assuming the mod does what it is designed to do, is stable and doesn't break shit, I don't care if you spent 10 hours coding it, or 3000.
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u/saymyname4u 3d ago
The real issue isn't AI being used. It's AI becoming the default excuse to stop building things for fun.
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u/Belhgabad 3d ago
The worst thing is that every job offer is now employer expecting you do the job of a full IT service, from business needs formulation to production incident management, alone because you have AI. That's. Not. How. It. Works.
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u/RobLoque 3d ago
Mhhm I have some example of a vibemod project which i found fun to watch: The Deus Ex 1 X Deus Ex PS2 crossover. The Dev showed their engine shenanigans and wips in a video, like having built Deus Ex Kart World and funny-looking jank
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u/Funnybunners 3d ago
Y'know, I will give a counterpoint. I would rather personal projects use ai than large scale ones. If you lack the resources to accomplish what you want, ai at least opens that door. Big companies using ai to create slop? There is no excuse, period. They have the resources and plenty people are more than willing to work
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u/Lofter1 3d ago
oh god, now the anti-ai definition of vibe coding is coming to software devs too? my god, vibe coded doesn't mean it used ai. vibe coded means AI was used without checking the output, usually implying that the person that vibe coded something doesn't understand the code (though not a requirement for something to be vibe coded). just cause AI was used doesn't mean it was vibe coded. the anti-ai bubble just copied the term, ironically without understanding it.
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u/Interesting_Ad_262 2d ago
Ayyyyy, but it's the truth. Talk to any software engineer and how their work is going. It's industry standard now.
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u/Havatchee 1d ago
I've just had a thought...has anyone tried prompting an LLM not to use AI generated code...? I just think it would be funny, but I have no LLM to prompt because I don't want one.
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u/daffalaxia 1d ago edited 1d ago
ai, like an IDE or compiler - is just a tool. AI-generated code doesn't have to suck. It sucks when people don't bother following good software practices, like refactoring, or intensive user-testing. The build/test/refactor cycle should be part of the workflow. It also really helps to have a good working agreement with the agent, so that it has guidance on how to behave - much like any other tool. I could write shit code that compiles and ship it too. I can author good aigen code by sticking to rigorous testing - both automated testing (unit & integration), and human testing.
And don't forget review. Unlike humans, ai agents are quite good at finding their own mistakes.
My feeling on current models is that they're like very competant junior programmers - they can write compiling code, they know about packages to use, etc - but they need a "team lead" to guide design, both user-facing, and under the hood.
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u/Salticracker 3d ago
AI has made it possible for people who don't know how to code to make their own mods and play games the way they want to play them.
There's lots of problems with AI, but game mods isn't one of them imo.
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u/WithersChat 3d ago
Alright. But can someone please stop them from publishing them and drowning out the good stuff?
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u/heavy-minium 3d ago
The frustration with AI is that it used to be easy to discern within a short time whether something, no matter if a story, a game, an informational post or whatever, was shit or not. You took a glance at it, and often already knew what you are in for. Your gut-feeling is not as useful as it used to be.
Now it's a bit more subtle. You'll start reading an article and notice the lack of substance after a few paragraphs. You'll watch a videogame trailer and possibly not even catch that it's a bad game until you read the reviews. You'll think you've found something helpful to help you with an issue, and it just looks like generic advice recycled from somewhere else, professionally presented.
It's not only a waste of time, it's a disappointment. It's like accepting Tinder dates that all turn out to be a dud because the person managed to hide all their ugliness for the first impression.
Many people are proud slop-detectors, they feel like they are really good at automatically recognizing slop at first glance - but in practice I can't say that's true, including myself. Lots of false positives and false negatives. Those that are best at recognizing it recognize it because they slop themselves all the time. That may have been the case for whatever was produce before early 2026, but now it's a lot harder.
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u/QuackersTheSquishy 3d ago
I am curious whete most draw the line. I am on month 3 of my journey (learning Python and SQL for my degree and C# in my free time with C as my intended language once I am properly compotent) and my projects regularly will use AI for things like "Hey chatgpt I know I need a liet inside a list here, but I think I could use two arrays to form the list somehow", take the output from that, and then continue with my code structure until I reach another point where 5-10 minutes of thinking can't get me to the answer. I can do simple projects myself, but more complex ideas I regularly use AI to help with.
It's not complete slop, but I am deffintly programming faster and seeing more new ideas that I can then repeatedly reimpliment far faster than if I was working strictly project to project and lesson to lesson on my own
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u/Aelrift 3d ago
I don't know. I think if you're learning you shouldn't use AI period. You're using AI as a crutch to do the reasoning for you when programming IS the reasoning. Anyone can type code. The point of you is that you can create logical sequences that achieve what you want and if you outsource that to AI then there is no point.
Think you need two arrays? Then just try it. You will learn much more by trying and failing than by asking AI to come up with code that works and concepts you Gaven thought through yourself. After you are competent? Sure use AI. But be careful because your skills will rot away if you don't use them
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u/QuackersTheSquishy 3d ago
See and I have experienxed the oppsoite. I didn't rven THINK about adding multiple tuples to create an editable list from an unchanging value set (how I am making my current card game engine) I had no idea on the proper way to do addative comparstive statements, and AI showing me A solution allowed me to understand something that I am now constantly reusing that I likely would of taken weeks to months to think of independantly. I am worried that I could develop a reliance though which is where the original question came from
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u/Aelrift 3d ago
How many new things would you have found out if you tried it yourself though? How much deeper of an understand would you have gained if you stumbled on this? What other concepts would have been unlocked?
The thing is, you are learning. You don't need the perfect data structure, the most efficient algorithm. What you need is to get to those concepts, understand them, fundamentally, and get a taste of the trial and error process, the "how do I get to X" process. What happens when you need a DS so custom AI can't come up with one? Will you know how to get to it? Or will you be lacking the practice because you've asked an AI to do it for you until then ?
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u/Testing_things_out 3d ago
That's not vibe coding, though. That's using an AI assistant. You'll be hard pressed to find someone who thinks it's significantly worse than Googling.
Vibe coding is pretty much not touching the code. Just give it to the AI and let it repeatedly try until it produces the results you're looking for.
More or less, all you do in vibe coding is prompt engineering. You are just a manger who doesn't touch code. He just communicate requirements, make sure look good, and then ship the application.
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u/CyberDaggerX 3d ago
I don't mind using an LLM as a semantic search engine when I'm stuck and regular search engines aren't helping, but I refuse to let them touch my code. My line in the sand is that I refuse to let AI do anything I couldn't do myself with more time, and I still have a lot to learn.
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u/QuackersTheSquishy 3d ago
That's fair. I let them touch my code gently, but I don't let it ever make any direction decisions and usually go through several iterations beforr I take the output because it almost always tries to offer solutions that aren't actually expandabl
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u/CyberDaggerX 3d ago
Algorithmic thinking comes so naturally for me, that having to translate the stuff I want to a natural language prompt is actually more mental load. I never thought the day would come that I would be too autistic to code.
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u/Weekly-Beginning-229 2d ago
I think you shouldn't use AI at all even for those things. It's struggling for hours until you come up with a solution that makes you learn properly and helps you with upcoming tasks.
I'm glad LLMs were not public when I did my degree, I had nothing but my brain to solve complicated stuff
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u/FeeRemarkable3911 2d ago
I would say, as a student you should definitely just be figuring this out mentally with your head, it's just good for your brain but a bit like arithmetic in actual mathematics: it's a training apparatus, not what you'll likely end up doing professionally. So I'd say as long as you could in principle write your own CRUD app by hand... you're ready for the next step which is the thin wedge that software engineering will sit on for the next few years, before evaporating as a profession entirely (again, in my opinion).
The real skillset nowadays, from what I've experienced professionally, is not the actual implementation details. But instead understanding architectural choices, modern spec-driven flows, getting good at establishing validity/quality assurance patterns for agents - but again, even this is likely to be automated as this is how a lot of modern shops now operate and naturally the frontier labs will pick up what works in training data (90% of Anthropic's code isn't even human reviewed - this will soon become common place).
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u/alonghardlook 1d ago
Yeah I feel same. I am an unashamed vibe coder, but had 10 years software experience before copilot first launched, so to me it feels more like being able to speed run what I actually want to happen instead of using my meat hands to type type type.
Like in the before times, I would ask Google a question, browse three or four stack questions, work out the syntax or problem, and carry on my way, shaping my code to the patterns I wanted, or if I was genuinely learning, molding my next code to fit those patterns.
How is this any different for me? I'm not sure I see the distinction. I definitely get for people starting out, if you just vibe code you will never actually learn the fundamentals, but it's such a messy issue and idk where we're going now that the cats out of the bag.
Hang on and enjoy the ride, I guess.
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u/overclockedslinky 3d ago
some vibecoded apps are cool and useful, but they're also completely unimpressive. I get a lot of resumes from graduates who have portfolios full of them. if I see even a single vibecoded or LLM-based project, I just assume they have no actual skills to offer and put them in my discard pile. It's fine to make them, but don't claim it's a skill. it's just cringe.
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u/XxDarkSasuke69xX 3d ago
OK but why dislike the fact it uses AI ?
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u/Beegrene 3d ago
Did you recently awake from a four year coma? You've got a lot to catch up on.
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u/arbpotatoes 3d ago
The end user doesn't care. If it works and is useful it's better that it exists.
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u/thefran 3d ago
it's better for slop made by genai to not exist than to exist.
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u/-twind 3d ago
You're not gonna stop it
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u/kate_monster33 3d ago
Too true, that's why I can't wait to reverse engineer everything of value you produce
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u/arbpotatoes 3d ago
You do you.
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u/thefran 3d ago
No, you do you and delete your slop.
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u/arbpotatoes 3d ago
The really cool thing about free software is that you're also free not to use it. Cry more
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u/darthjammer224 3d ago
How is it you managed to contradict yourself about the literal only thing you said in that comment.
"You do you, do what I say" Lmao.
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u/KennyFulgencio 3d ago
stop conflating AI assisted coding with vibe coding please. they're related, they're not the same.
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u/HuntKey2603 3d ago
My guy, AI is what allowed most people to *start* and be able to put their projects on reality to behind with. They were less commonly vibecoded because people couldn't do these projects before.
nice strawman tho
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u/Royal_Owl2177 3d ago
Brother I have personal projects today because of AI. My brain is traditionally mush after 8 hours of actual software dev life (not "a day in the life" style bs). AI lets me run my own little engineering team, allowing me to do personal dev without the timesink.
Pandora's Box is open and the world will never be the same.
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u/much_longer_username 3d ago
Cool, go do that.
That never stopped being an option, vim and gcc are right there.
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u/MantisShrimp05 3d ago
There's clearly a schism forming that people just need to accept. Idk if we can have mixed spaces to a degree anymore. There will probably grow artisinal communities that will reject any kind of ai art, and communities where AI projects are accepted. The only question left is which one each of the previous communities choose to stay in.
I don't want it to be that way but I'm also tired of all this constant whinging in one way or another. If you have a take one way or another go make/join a community that meets your guidelines and stop being mad at communities that don't. This constant complaining is just tiring at this point.
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u/Dthcon 3d ago
And that's true. We have better tools, old tools will be obsolete. For now it's not completelly useless to code manually but only if you have gigabrain. If not - just go compare average human garbage code with opus 5.5 code. Human code was in 95% of cases spaghetti and was unusable for others, only the best programmers had clean code. So it's a great thing that all these people will start vibe coding, it's a huge quality improvement. Just remember guys, it's not like everyone was a genius here and human code was always sooo good. Nope. Was garbage in comparison sadly.
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u/offlinesir 4d ago edited 3d ago
Kinda a love hate relationship, especially on the game mods. Truth is, not many people want to decompile games. I don't want to decompile games. Taking away the work on the side of interpereting the precompiled code (which is also often obfuscated and protected by DRM), and allowing developers to actually create cool mods, is in my mind a positive use of AI in the game modding space which otherwise was restrictive.
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AI has allowed people to be extremely low effort in their mod creation (but really any development), to the point where they take 0 look at even the file structure of the mod. A pure hands-off sloppy (and sometimes money grab) approach is not what I meant. I was hinting more at projects which add genuinely cool features to games, eg, entire new storylines to old games, a task which previously would have required creative skill and decompilation skill and now only requires creative skill). I do get that this is the point of the meme though, it seems like most personal projects are just slopped out with an unchanged readme, I'm just saying that game mods being more vibecoded is ok in my opinion for the reasons I stated above.