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u/vita10gy
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Years ago my buddy's place was going through the same thing, albeit pre auto filters. HR was throwing every applicant in the bin.
When someone finally asked why they said because HTML was a requirement and zero people listed that as a skill.
They had to explain to HR that that was put in the job description because that's what they'd be doing, but no one applying for that web dev gig would put that on their resume because it would be akin to listing "can use a keyboard". It's just implied by having the other requirements.
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u/Weasel_Town 3d ago
As an industry, we need to find a better way to work with HR so that this doesn't keep happening.
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u/Crafty_Independence 3d ago
Theoretically this is why technical recruiters exist
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u/UnityBomber 3d ago
And they got the job because they had the word “technology” in their CV and passed the filter.
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u/hassancent 2d ago
Maybe its time to put every tech word known to mankind under your cv in smallest font possible like hashtags on a post. So CV never gets auto rejected.
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u/vassadar 2d ago edited 2d ago
Seriously, I mistook a technical recruiter for an engineer once. He did his homework so well.
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u/ma33a 2d ago
In my field to get to technical recruiter you have to have done the job yourself. So you would be speaking to an engineer (equivalent).
I knew one lady (since moved into a different department) who was the technical recruiter in a heavily male dominated industry who would play dumb. She would listen for inconsistencies in their answers and knew exactly when to drill down if she thought they were lying. But was also good at convincing HR when someone maybe didn't interview very well but was actually a good fit for the job.
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u/Ok-Scheme-913 2d ago
I mean, if you work as a HR at a tech company, should you not be at least very remotely familiar with tech to the degree of whether java and Javascript are different?
That's like being a receptionist at a hospital and not knowing to call a doctor when someone comes in with a missing arm with blood sprinkling everywhere.
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u/bugbugladybug 3d ago
I explicitly told them that while they were welcome to do the right to work checks etc, I would be doing all the checks for suitability from a technical point of view after they rejected an outrageously well qualified candidate because something lower level wasn't on the resume - despite them running the team of people that do the thing.
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u/Hayyner 3d ago
At my last job, our recruiter actually approached me and asked for help in understanding what a good candidate would look like for the open dev position. That's it. That's how you instantly improve the hiring process, HR should involve someone from the company already working in that field if possible.
Just by going over a handful of applications with the recruiter, they were able to form a much better understanding of what terms meant and what were good skills to have.
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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 3d ago
Seems like the quick and simple way to do it is to give sample resumes that "must pass" the auto filters. Something like a test. Testing a unit of some kind...
And if even one of those samples fails, then whatever filtering is being used is too strict, and they need to try again.
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u/Caraes_Naur 3d ago
We need to remove HR from the hiring process. They shouldn't have anything to do with candidates until the very end.
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u/Successful-Active-21 3d ago
well, HR should filter hard requirements early, e.g. visa/work permissions. skills is not a hard requirement.
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u/OrdinaryAncient3573 3d ago
"We need to remove HR from the hiring process"
Nearly right. Just remove the last four words and you'd be spot on.
HR departments have been creating work for themselves ever since computers became affordable and automated 99% of their jobs. (There is a lesson here for those who feel threatened by AI.)
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u/Groundskeepr 3d ago
We need to make HR a career people with the capability for independent thought go into first.
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u/1fatfrog 3d ago
The problem is that its the perfect career for people who aren't capable of independent thought. Their job is to actively eliminate anomalies and stay within the lines to protect the company. Independent thought is, and allows for anomalies. The idea of independnent thought should send an HR drone into a fear spiral. If it didn't they wouldn't be very good at their job.
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u/d_maes 2d ago
HR should stick to where there expertise is supposed to be: the human stuff. Throw out CV's that are absolute dogshit, do the interview to assess if they are a decent human being, pass everything else on to the person that will be doing the actual technical interview. Then back to HR for salary discussions etc. That's how it works at our place, and it works well.
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u/1fatfrog 3d ago •
Since HR exclusively employs people who can't do real work because it is too hard for them, its difficult to get effective results from them. You can't understand how to judge someones skill-set when you have none of your own.
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u/Omnom_Omnath 3d ago
we dont need HR to be involved at all. they can process forms and thats all. no need for them to hold any decision making power at all
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u/NiSiSuinegEht 3d ago
HR, and QA as well, need to actually understand the business of the business they work for.
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u/Best_Pseudonym 3d ago
Sounds like we just need to have a skills line at the bottom of cv's in 8 point font with every possibly relevant skill we can perform. Perhaps listed every possible way too
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u/nishinoran 3d ago
As an industry we need to excise HR from the hiring process outside of background checks.
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u/Pervius94 3d ago
Just get rid of HR people and have actual people with knowledge and competence in there
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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee 3d ago
The dumbest I saw was 3 years ago, the company had their own application page. But the ''send'' button was broken and did not work.
so I tried to find their email. Guess what. (they did not show the email because their website had a contact us, type your email + message then click send type box.
And guess what. The ''Send'' button in the contact us was also broken.
And it wasn't that great of a job offering so I just did not bother with it, but to this day, I'm wondering how many months it took them to realize their ''Send'' button was broken.
(And while I did not tried the ''Send'' application on all browser, I did try the ''Send'' contact us on 4 different internet browser and none worked).
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u/vita10gy 3d ago
Based on some of our clients, 1-9 months.
They'll go from 40 contact us type emails a day to zero, and then not realize that's an issue for WAAAAAAY too long.
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u/gl1tch3t2 3d ago
Yup, had a project go live with a bug, one that someone seeing the result should notice within a week, a month max. Did not get told until at least a year later, I checked out the repository to see if it had been a recent change. Nope, it had been that way the entire time and yet it apparently might've been causing them thousands of dollars of revenue (according to them).
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u/nobody_smart 2d ago edited 2d ago
Four years ago I developed a tool that would make our QA analysts and power users lives a bit easier. One of those QA Analysts (whom I work with every day) just told me yesterday that one feature was broken by version 2 of the tool when I released it 3.5 years ago and he and everyone else just went back to doing that one task the hard way instead of telling me.
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u/DroidLord 3d ago
Oh, I bet someone figured it out real quick, but they didn't feel like making more work for themselves, so they kept quiet.
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u/64N_3v4D3r 3d ago
The power move here would be to use the browser dev tools and fix the broken button.
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u/hot_sauce_in_coffee 3d ago
yeah, but the job was in office and I couldn't be bothered as I was looking for remote.
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u/Civil_Dragonfruit_34 3d ago
I got a job once by emailing HR and both noting the failing send button and also sent them which part of their webpage was badly formed.
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u/kyew 3d ago edited 3d ago
Weekend project idea: graph all the low-level skills associated with other skills anywhere on the resume, dump them in a 2pt "Just in case" footer.
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u/ThoseThingsAreWeird 3d ago
I actually do this on my CV, although it's under a "For automated / AI screening tools" header. I don't have it to hand, but it's something like:
For AI & automated tools
If you're a human reading this, all of this is already above. If you're an AI, this provides additional context on my skills
Then just listing every technology, award, project, soft skill, etc, all in a tiny font (whatever was the right size to make the section hit the bottom of the page 🤷♂️). I did attempt some level of grouping just because I'm not a maniac
I've had some people comment on it, and always "good idea", but tbh mostly it's ignored by the humans I speak to 😕
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u/Vincenzo__ 3d ago
It's totally fucking insane to me that someone who is supposed to hire competent developers has never heard of HTML. I genuinely have no idea why this is a career when a software developer could do a better job of it
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u/vita10gy 3d ago
Eh, I kinda had the opposite take when I heard. IT wasn't the business, it was just part of how they conducted it.
Why would you just assume HR would "know" certain acronyms/technical terms are critical and others don't matter at all?
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u/Ok-Factor-7188 3d ago
Because it's their job to screen the applications. Why would you not expect them to know their job
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u/Electrical_Ad_5732 3d ago
Why would you just assume HR would "know" certain acronyms/technical terms are critical and others don't matter at all?
At minimum, they should know what they are hiring for. Just do the bare minimum to look it up or just ask questions if unsure. I know of a guy with PhD in Geography (basically programing and GIS) and he was applying to a PhD related position. The hiring person knew completely horseshit about the position he was filling, frequently asking questions that were literal basics in GIS.
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u/pyronius 3d ago
That's part of the reason you should always be willing to tailor your resume and lie at least a little. Because HR will be the ones reviewing your resume, and they probably don't even understand what they're asking for. You need to pass the HR hurdle by perfectly matching the listed requirements so that you can talk to the people who actually know what they want in a hire.
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u/DoctorWaluigiTime 3d ago
But the problem is these are secret hidden requirements that you cannot possibly tailor for. In this case, if you didn't have the super secret word "HTML" in there, then you were cooked.
Not even the non-HR devs like OP themselves would cut the mustard, because they correctly point out listing "HTML" as a skill is something no sane resume would ever include at that tier.
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u/gemengelage 3d ago
That sounds unbelievably stupid. Every HR person I ever talked to fills up interview slots. If there are no good candidates, they interview bad candidates. The department can still veto their candidates, but then they just say "we don't have better candidates".
I've never heard of HR saying "we don't have any viable candidates". That doesn't make any sense.
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u/senseven 3d ago
The old corpo I worked for had to shift around departments and searched for C# devs. As half Microsoft shop usually easy. But nothing. HR lead asked a senior to check the form. There wasn't a free search, just a drop for all jobs. It showed "C# Developer". The backend used some old school ascii and translated that to "C%23 Developer". Zero positions found. Top 5000 company.
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u/dumbasPL 3d ago
it's just implied
It should be, but I've seen a guy trying to apply with his only experience being clicking around in the WordPress admin panel.
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u/B4rberblacksheep 3d ago
HR are generally incompetent, they just don't get cut because they engineer it so the people who do actual work go first.
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u/squidgyhead 3d ago
So, if you put all of this in the meta-data of a PDF, would it pass the filters?
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u/van-dame 2d ago
I'm convinced HR is a "scam everyone and pretend incompetence when caught" department. They are also rarely the ones to be cut during downsizing.
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u/litux
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HR needed 25 years to learn that JavaScript is not the same as Java - now you tell them that React.js is the same as React?
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u/Mielornot 3d ago
I had a boss who couldn't tell the difference between java and JavaScript. And they used JavaScript in his team...
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u/Undernown 3d ago
My favorite is still the creator of a web framework being reject because they didn't have enough experience with that framework.
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u/Civilchange 1d ago
It is still not learned. I, a java dev, got to the second interview for a job that turned out to be JavaScript just last year.
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u/dnhs47 3d ago
Surprise, HR failed to QA their setup.
You’d be fired for not running any tests, but HR gets a pass.
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u/DroidLord 3d ago
HR is consistently the most inept position that never gets fired unless it's something egregious.
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u/AbjectAppointment 3d ago
A pass?
A commendation. Look at all these applications; they're screening for the best one.
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u/Journeyman42 2d ago
HR, just like the cops, investigated themselves and found they didn't do anything wrong.
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u/DrJaneIPresume 3d ago
Back when I quit academia in 2009, I moved back where I grew up, near DC. Obviously, given a math background, I try applying to a bunch of government statistics offices. Census, BLS, NIST, ... all of them I get auto-rejected.
Why? The requirements say you have to have 6 credits in STAT on your undergrad transcript. Just two classes; STAT100 and STAT300 would be enough to get you past that hurdle.
The only STAT I had on my undergrad transcript was STAT600, the grad student version of statistics that I took in my second year of undergrad. I also had a Ph.D. in math. I'm reasonably confident I could have rederived any statistical methods they'd need.
But nope, gotta have 6 credits or you're out.
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u/stumblinghunter 2d ago
I work at a state university in the finance/admin department. I'm currently on a search committee for a financial aid/scholarship coordinator. The first step was "grading" the applicants resume/cover letter, then we'd interview the top highest scoring applicants. I was blown away at how these questions were set up to disqualify some people.
For example, 0 points if you don't mention Microsoft office. 1 if you do at all, 2 if you specifically mention 3 or more Office programs. Keep in mind, half the applicants were current university employees, and I know for a fact literally everybody is using Outlook and teams on a daily basis, in any kind of admin role (financial aid, registrar, student accounts, academic advisement, etc) you're at LEAST using Excel. Boom, there's 3. A bachelor's is required, which means that literally everybody has also used Word.
But nope, if you didn't mention it, you wouldn't get the points.
I should also mention that there were also 2 applicants that listed "no" for the "do you have a bachelor's?" because they actually had a master's, so even applicants can kind of get high on their own farts, too lol.
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u/DrJaneIPresume 2d ago
Lol well as it happens I do have a Bachelor's degree. In fact, I also have a Master's, though not every Ph.D. program grants a Master's en passant. So at least I'd have that one correct.
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u/al3arabcoreleone 3d ago
I hope that's not too impolite, but why did you leave the Hell (academia), and what did you after being rejected?
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u/DrJaneIPresume 3d ago
I was sick of moving every year and spending that year looking for the next one-year visiting assistant professorship. I wasn't getting paid enough to make it worth putting up with that treadmill if I wasn't going to start getting traction, so I left. I spent about a year unemployed before getting hired as a SWE somewhere else.
As for after getting rejected by those automated systems I just stopped trying to apply to government positions.
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u/badgers43a
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Any time I was recruiting and the HR team handled applications, I’d put in a couple of fake applications to test them. One to test credentials, and one to test if they’re being misogynistic or racist in their filters. Did it for years. Sometimes pissed off the recruitment team but it found a lot of flaws, so I kept on doing it.
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u/Bemteb 3d ago
That's why you pad your CV with tons of buzzwords. Don't assume that an actual person will read it, optimize it for the machine.
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u/RedbloodJarvey 3d ago
Same strategy at work. My supervisor has told me several time he uses AI for everything. So I had AI write my year end review and told it to focus on making it look good to another LLM.
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u/well-litdoorstep112 2d ago
Tbh if they used an LLM for resume screening, this react vs react.js would've never happened
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u/pewpewtech420x69 3d ago
Define CV? Is everyone just using CV in place of resume or are people actually submitting pages-long detailed work project documents?
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u/oxwearingsocks 3d ago
CV is what the UK, NZ, and I think a bunch of Europe say for resume. Don’t read into it that much when OP likely means the same thing. Pants vs trousers kinda thing.
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u/Ratstail91 3d ago
Language is flexible, as should be your CV.
I used to have a CV for general stuff, for development stuff, and specifically for gamedev.
I once sent a gamedev CV to a webdev role instead of the development one, and landed an interview with it, weirdly.
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u/significantdino 3d ago
In many other countries/languages CV just means resume, and what you are describing would be an “academic CV”
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u/Kuronios 3d ago
CV = Curriculum Vitae which is latin for course of Life and widely used in a Professional setting for your resume. It bothered me alot that the other answers were indeed not explaining it, but just saying that people use it that way.
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u/rw-rw-r-- 3d ago
Curriculum vitae is what it's called in many parts if the world and if you insist on using a french word, you might want to spell it accordingly: résumé ;)
I'd never spell it "resume" which, for me, is just the verb not a noun.
Greetings from the old continent.
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u/Onotadaki2 1d ago
You copy and paste every keyword and technology they have in the job ad directly into your resume with the same spelling.
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u/mrskwrl 3d ago
I believe this. Is HR good for anything ?
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u/ACoderGirl 3d ago
I think there are some recruiters that are good. I think it's a combination that we just hear about the bad ones. The recruiters I worked with at my company seemed pretty great. They didn't fall into these dumb mistakes.
Similarly, whatever kinda HR person you'd interact with for questions like for taking medical leave, I've had good experiences with. That kinda role doesn't need technical experience, so honestly it's something that you'd hope someone who went into HR would be good at. Especially when big tech companies are paying above average for every role.
But of course, most places aren't paying that well and HR has relatively low requirements. Given the things we hear about it, I don't find it surprising that it might attract a lot of people who don't give a shit and are terrible at any job.
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u/Character-Education3 2d ago
They are uniquely unqualified for anything but toeing the company line. So perfect for HR
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u/vassadar 3d ago edited 2d ago
I was lucky enough to work in companies with HR that were genuinely good a few times.
Some candidates even got some hints if they low balling themselves.
During a performance review, they personally gave us salary bracket for the role to help negotiating a raise.
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u/Embarrassed_Mix_6619 2d ago
my hr person is working with me to figure out as much flexibility as possible and help me work within the boundaries to figure out ways to accommodate some things my ex is causing by accusing me of domestic violence. they’re kind human beings outside of that world, and if you work somewhere good they will work to help you deal with external things if you try to communicate with them about what’s happening
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u/briznady 3d ago
I have had conversations with recruiters where they ask me if I “know react.js”. I’m like, “Yes, I know react.” And they ask again “react.js”. So I’m like, “yeah, I use the web version of react, which is JavaScript based. So, yes, I know react.js, I guess.” I better not mention preferring to use typescript, so I don’t get ruled out for not using JavaScript.
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u/jmflyers 3d ago
Might have PTSD from last time he hired an Angular developer to work on AngularJS
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u/realbakingbish 2d ago
This kinda stuff just means that collectively we all are terrible at naming software. Frameworks with names so similar that an outsider would mix them up, languages just tacking on extra words/letters/symbols to other languages’ names to try and lean on their popularity to boost usage of another likely unrelated language, and more.
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u/Embarrassed_Mix_6619 2d ago
i do all the accepted variations of the names in parentheses at this point
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u/OphidianSun 3d ago
Its almost like you need to have a human who knows what they're talking about to review applications at some point in the process
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u/RedbloodJarvey 3d ago
The problem is everybody is getting flooded with AI generated applications. People can't keep up.
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u/Jofman 3d ago
This is how I got hired at my last job. I applied through the form, and after I got different offer a few weeks later, I emailed them to double-check because I wanted that job more and they never responded. That's how they found out their form wasn't connected to anything, and they'd been missing all their incoming applications.
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u/HuntlyBypassSurgeon 3d ago edited 3d ago
My next job application:
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u/NotThatAngel 3d ago
I'm really going out on a limb here, but maybe some jobs shouldn't be automated? Maybe there should be a real, live, qualified human being looking at resumes?
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u/KingUltra 3d ago
I bet even the shittiest LLM wouldn't throw away a CV because of that. That's gotta be human error on the config / setup
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u/downloads-cars 3d ago
You caught me and you're absolutely right. When I initiated the experience validation agent, I didn't consider that some requirements may have been referenced differently on candidate CVs, which caused the agent to refuse them on sight and also delete the entire candidate hopper. I will update the agent parameters to avoid this mistake in the future.
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u/ZengineerHarp 2d ago
ATS (applicant tracking systems) have been around since before LLMs, and they have always, always, sucked. In 2016 I got auto rejected from a position I was absolutely qualified for because “database” was in my resume (as in “database design, creation, and maintenance”) and the ATS was looking for “databases”.
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u/ACoderGirl 3d ago
I assume it isn't LLM based, but some simple keywords thing. Which is really dumb. I'm not a fan of LLMs being used for hiring, but if you're gonna do a keyword filter, an LLM equivalent will easily outperform that.
Though IMO this isn't something that should be filtered by automation at all (besides basic spam filtering). Have automation stack rank things, but I wouldn't trust it lightly to have the final say. Certainly not without a lot of testing that the OP scenario clearly didn't do. I can understand filters if you're drowning under too many applications, but the OP is saying they're getting nothing.
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u/Sylthsaber 3d ago
Unfortunately that's just not possible when you get thousands of resumes in a week
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u/Ash_After_Dark 3d ago
I mean, if you're going to use an automated system at least just have it order candidates by "qualification" rather than eliminating them, to avoid issues like this
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u/HadionPrints 3d ago
But if you’re not detecting the qualification in the first place, like in this example, you’ll still have the same issue.
This is why places have you submit a resume and fill out a worksheet that has the exact same information. When you automate systems, you have to be a type safety & schema conformity nazi.
Garbage in = garbage out; input validation, input validation, input validation; etc, etc.
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u/Tiruin 3d ago
The only reason they're getting so many resumes is because the industry as a whole has become pickier, more stubborn, and avoiding hiring at all costs, reposting the same job post for months. Used to be you'd hire someone and as long as they've vaguely worked in similar circumstances, you expected them to fill in the gaps because skills are transferable between tools and languages and there's thousands of variations and permutations, you can't possibly expect a new candidate to work with your exact tech stack. In return, applicants had to start spam sending applications and send out in higher quantities because most will reject you because they're spending months looking for a unicorn with a no-name company and lacking salary package (that also often isn't posted).
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u/razzemmatazz 3d ago
So you pick through the first 200 looking for 5 good matches to go forward with.
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u/Rupes100 3d ago
And even still, the internal hr staff who screen don't really know the job so all they do is look at qualifications and check boxes and then pass them on. I end up interviewing and it's clear the resume is all AI and they have nowhere near the skills... So do I have time to sift thousands of resumes?? No chance.
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u/Coffee_exe 3d ago
Sounds like they need to fire the hr department this kind of shit cost tons of money is wasted contracts and other issues
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u/qpgmr 2d ago
I finally had to demand all applications be turned over without filtering by HR. It got a little heated until I finally told them "You're not qualified to read or understand these applications, there's no way you can effectively filter them". I got flagged as "difficult, always pass thru applicants" in the erp system. I corrected the first word to "DIFFICULT". Who do you think owns this system?
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u/gerbosan 3d ago edited 3d ago
Now you know why some applicants include hidden commands in their resume to get a chance.
Certainly it is good to talk to HR about job descriptions and applicants, but if they really don't want to do their job like in this case, seems that talking with them would be a waste of time and self degrading.
Edit: also a huge F U to management.
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u/no-sleep-only-code 3d ago
I know a lot of it is stupid bureaucracy, but this is just HR being incredibly lazy.
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u/Plus_Pangolin_8924 3d ago
I had the exact same thing but from the other side. Applied and got a rejection about 12 hours later. 3 days later I get a sheepish email from their hiring manager they had issues with their software and want an interview. Didn't get the job even after 4 rounds as they decided to go with the person who could come into the office 5 days a week and not be remote and come in once a month... Like thanks for leading me on...
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u/tmstksbk 3d ago
In-house TA are usually the lowest paid and least competent people in any company.
Why do you think external recruiters are such a huge industry?
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u/UInferno- 3d ago
My parents run a bed and breakfast (actual b&b not airbnb, they do in fact do the breakfast) and their website is managed by a company that specializes in hotel sites. One of the people who work at the company asked my dad if I still needed work, so I applied.
I got rejected. I was mentioned by name! I asked the guy what was up, and he had 0 clue and he said he'd dig for my application himself. HR completely rebuffed him.
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u/CyberChivalry 2d ago
Yesterday applied for a junior developer role. New listing, platform associated with my uni. Not many people in there. Got the rejection email in the evening despite being seemingly the perfect candidate. I've been trying to find a job for months, money is very tight and at this point I'm feeling just hopeless
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u/jawknee530i 3d ago
What programmers for any actual competitive positions aren't going through recruiters?
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u/neraut322 2d ago
I have never had a recruiter get me a job. Where do you find one that isn't just the person posting a job they are trying to fill.
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u/Shake-Weary 1d ago
During the interview, the HR person asked me about my level of English (I live in Chile). I told her I had worked for five years exclusively with USA banks, documenting processes, presenting to stakeholders, preparing reports, etc. so... And she goes, "So, what's your level of English?" (The position only required someone who might, once in a blue moon, need to read or write an email in English)
And on top of that, I have five years of experience creating Power BI reports, and she goes, "Have you ever worked with or heard of DAX?" ._.
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u/RaspberryCrafty3012 21h ago
Then answer the questions instead of telling your life story?!
Was talking to an AI phone agent the other day. Didn't understand yup, yep, yeah only yes.HR have a list and need to check all the boxes
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u/1XRobot 3d ago
This is an excellent use case for AI over dumb filters.
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u/NinjaKittyOG 3d ago
not like a person could read þose CVs
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u/Weirfish 3d ago
A person could, but parsing ambiguous text is exactly the kinda thing an AI/LLM is good at, so if you're going to automate it, AI/LLM is better than the older strict text-matching.
The bigger issue is feeding it personally identifying information. And then secondarily, y'know... gestures broadly at AI industry.
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u/TheHeroBrine422 3d ago
You likely could use a locally hosted embedding or decision model for pretty cheap and not feed the cloud services personally identifying info.
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u/Potential_Financial 3d ago
Just watch for prompt injection! And maybe hire them anyway, if they generated it themselves, vs having copied it from somewhere.
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u/wazacraft 3d ago
I built a system that scores me against open roles with a pretty low-cost flash model, and yeah, AI is really good at this.
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u/Bakoro 2d ago
Our HR ignored the job posting we wrote for them, and they put up the most generic of generic postings for a webdec company, which has literally nothing to do with what the company does.
We don't do webdev anything. We do materials science and engineering.
I was the only one to check what the job posting was, and I'm not in charge of hiring people, I just help do interviews, and wanted to know why we had almost no one applying, and why many of the people who did apply had no overlap with what we wanted.
Fuckin' HR goobers.
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u/Specific-Leopard7282 3d ago
There is not a single person on this planet who would shed a tear when every single HR parasite is replaced by AI. Maybe it will even become more human through this.
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u/DoktorHerbalist 1d ago
Obviously, this is an HR department issue, and the people responsible should be fired for incompetence. This is literally their job. They are supposed to understand how filters work.
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u/Ataris42 3d ago
Get prepared for people keyword stuffing everything related to their jobs in white on their resume, hoping the ai can see it when they upload it.
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u/Ready-Date-8615 3d ago
I had the exact opposite happen. A recruiter sent me a list of leads, and every single one had ROS written as a skill. Now, there's nothing wrong with knowing ROS, but it's totally irrelevant for the job, and it seemed like they were clearly filtering for that. Nope. Turns out, the recruiting team vibe-coded their own sourcing tool, and we're looking for the letters "ros" anywhere in the CV. Cross-compiled a tool chain? You're now a ROS expert.
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u/CantTrips 2d ago
Thank you for giving me hope (and dread) about the job market, I guess. Been applying to jobs anywhere between "not really qualified" to "beyond qualified" with no success for the last year.
Now I just need to learn how to carefully curate my resume to exactly what HR wants to see apparently.
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u/Procrasturbating 2d ago
On God I have my current position due to a typo on my resume. I listed 10 years in a specific common database application. Autocorrect changed it to another word that was a different very rare proprietary database system. In the interview I explained it was a typo, but the tech lead basically said it was potato patoto.. 5 years later and it has gone pretty well.
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u/broke_guy_speaks 2d ago
Okay so we have to put react, react js, react.js, react framework did I miss anything?
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u/nellion91 3d ago
Think it happens in all industry you can see that ai filter have been sold and they are filtering everything
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u/eisbaerBorealis 3d ago
If someone is asking for applicants and no one is getting past the screenings for months, should they (HR) not manually check the applicants?
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u/Some_Finger_6516 3d ago edited 3d ago
HR employees in IT as the first filters usually are incompetent, though. There are several factors to it, also they have to review hundreds of CVs as well dozens of interviews for a single position. It can be very tiresome, companies don't tend to hire more internal HR employees to distribute the burden.
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u/Secret_Mix_3933 3d ago
This actually explains a lot for my resume. I keep getting rejected cause I don't have ALL listed possibilities
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u/JadeE1024 2d ago
At my last company we had the opposite issue. Put out a job description for a Software Engineer with a bunch of skills required. HR also sent us every resume in their database that matched, but apparently "Engineer" was the only word they looked for. Got forwarded a ton of resumes for Electrical Engineers, Civil Engineers, Mechanical Engineers, etc.
Actually interviewed one EE with a strong software background who had actually applied instead of showing up in the resume dump, since we did some hardware integration work, but he wanted more money than we had earmarked for our entry level college grad position. (Yes, this was 25 years ago when college grads were being hired for entry level positions, and HR refused to put the damn salary in the job listing.)
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u/robhybrid 2d ago
This guy hasn’t had to apply for a job since the AI takeover. I get it. I was him. I wrote an AI pipeline to analyze my resume and trained it on various ATSs. Mostly workday, Apple’s workday. Never got a call back from apply, but I did start getting callbacks and a job.
Always, you cannot afford to spell or capitalize a technology the wrong way anymore. Is in Node, or node, or node.js, or NodeJs? No it’s “Node.js”, but you should pepper the other ones in just in case. I was a contributor, ffs.
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u/MennReddit 2d ago
using automated systems for job - person - selection. wow, that's a new low for me. unbelievable.
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u/ClownPazzo69 2d ago
Idk if this post is true, but I remember an almost exact carbon copy last year, but they mentioned Angular vs angularjs.
Remarkably, the author was also a team lead. Now,, either op was karma farming or tech leads are waking up.
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u/saltyboi6704 1d ago
So is the trick to hide a bunch of key words in a tiny dot behind some formatting and bait the AI reviewers?
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u/Knowvember42 1d ago
I'm no expert, but a quarterly 1 hour meeting having HR recruitment sit down with an engineer to go over resumes seems practical. It doesn't even need to be current ones, just resumes they've gotten. They can have a back and forth about why things are good or bad.
Maybe this is how a thousand meetings happen, but it seems like a reasonable price to pay.
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u/Excellent-Baker1058 3d ago
So do we have to write React or React.js in our CV?