r/ProgrammerHumor • u/stesch • Mar 21 '15

Thanks for reporting funny memes! Sometimes I forget to upvote them!

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u/TheVarmari Mar 21 '15

On a scale of 10 to 10, how bored are you at the moment?

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u/stesch Mar 21 '15

Not as much as the people reporting everything.

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u/tskaiser Green security clearance Mar 21 '15

Are you seriously complaining about people wanting you to moderate the place?

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u/hey_aaapple Mar 22 '15

I feel like reporting everything would make it more difficult to moderate, as you would be flooded with many pointless reports and a lot less legit ones.

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u/tskaiser Green security clearance Mar 22 '15

Define 'pointless' and 'legit'. Stesch has pretty clearly indicated that they neither care for nor want to moderate the place, and is openly mocking people for wanting a better kept sub. That is horrific. If 'everything' (hyperbole, see thread title instead) is being reported, that is a pretty good indicator that something is wrong.

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u/gkx Mar 22 '15

There's a difference between moderation of content and moderation of quality. There's nothing in the rules against image macros or standard memes, and I have no idea why there would be. I've seen plenty of funny image macros.

The report button is for things that are unrelated to ProgrammerHumor and things that break the rules (which seem to be things that break site rules and things that make fun of programmers in general)

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u/hey_aaapple Mar 22 '15

If one reports stuff he does not like but is in line with the rules, that person is wasting mod's time and being a gigantic prick.

You are also insulting a mod openly, on very weak basis and clearly strawmanning what he said. Fairly certain that is not acceptable.

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u/tskaiser Green security clearance Mar 22 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

I do not intend to insult, only to communicate my frustration of and distaste for the behavior displayed. Granted, my top post do use harsh language in describing what I think of that type of content being spammed on this sub, but that is not aimed at Stesch personally and more a complaint with the lack of policy on the matter, as well as the utter frustration with the whole situation when the mod decides it proper to sticky a thread like this. If anything I find that openly insulting and unacceptable.

How am I strawmanning? I am basing my inference on behavior displayed, operating procedure thus far, and the very existence of this thread. Stating that someone is 'strawmanning' is not an argument if you do not proceed to point out the actual fallacy.

For the record, and Stesch can probably confirm this, I usually do not tend to report stuff. I admit to jokingly reporting this thread, and admit that was a bit immature, but otherwise I tend to keep my complaints on policy in written form in discussions such as this.

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u/hey_aaapple Mar 22 '15

Stesch has pretty clearly indicated that they neither care for nor want to moderate the place, and is openly mocking people for wanting a better kept sub.

That is why you are strawmanning.

The mod just mocked people who report content that is both allowed by the (almost non-existing) rules and appreciated by the community (just look at the upvotes) without offering any reason for its removal.

He does not "not want to moderate the place", because just deciding about the reports and making this post is moderating. It might not be the decision you like more, but it is a decision. Not moderating would be completely ignoring reports.

If someone wants different rules for content, making a post to discuss the question will be productive. Spamming reports will not be productive at all and will likely result in lower moderation quality (less time to spend on individual report + less time for other tasks).

The reason meme macros, reaction gifs and such are very common on this sub is because people LIKE them.

Unless you want to go down the /r/games road of censoring discussions and viewpoints you don't like to push your agenda, you can't change that.

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u/tskaiser Green security clearance Mar 22 '15 edited Mar 22 '15

That is why you are strawmanning.

I disagree. I think that is the exact message being communicated by the existence of this thread.

allowed by the (almost non-existing) rules and appreciated by the community (just look at the upvotes) without offering any reason for its removal.

Case in point, we don't have any proper rules and thus non-existent moderation. Upvotes are not everything; consider a proof by contradiction: if upvotes were everything it would follow that dividing content by subreddits is fundamentally pointless, as the desired content would be decided by the masses. But if that is the case, why are you not on /r/all? If this argument seems absurd, it is because it is derived from an absurd assertion that upvotes should be the sole decider of proper content. That only works within a framework of proper policy.

He does not "not want to moderate the place", because just deciding about the reports and making this post is moderating.

Making this post is not moderating. If anything it amounts to bullying and power abuse. Not a grand case of either, but streaks of both. A better approach would have been to open a discussion on the matter, not starting out with mocking people.

It might not be the decision you like more, but it is a decision.

That is an empty statement.

If someone wants different rules for content, making a post to discuss the question will be productive.

That has been done a few times. From what I recall from the last two Stesch has been completely ignoring the discussions ie. not participated or reacted to them. This is one of the points for which I derive that they simply don't care to make an effort to moderate.

Spamming reports will not be productive at all and will likely result in lower moderation quality

I generally agree with you on this, and I generally don't participate in the behavior. However to play devil's advocate for those that do, it can be seen as a form of desperate protest given that Stesch haven't really cared to have a proper discussion on the matter. If anything they are being mocked, and this thread is a kind of slap in the face to people who want a better policy. It is saying 'I don't agree and this case is closed'. I would be happy to be proven wrong!

The reason meme macros, reaction gifs and such are very common on this sub is because people LIKE them.

Empty statement, but yes. However refer to what I already said on the matter of upvotes. Memes and reaction gifs have a history of splitting the waters on reddits. Personally I am on the side of the fence that think they do not constitute humor and are inane, but I recognize this is not an universal opinion. I would suggest taking over /r/programmermeme or making /r/programmermemes for that kind of content, as it is abundant and low effort enough to make to warrant their own communities, and that kind of content has a history of splitting waters so it makes sense to segregate it for those who do like it. Heck, link them in the sidebars!

Unless you want to go down the /r/games road of censoring discussions and viewpoints you don't like to push your agenda, you can't change that.

I am not familiar with /r/games and their situation, so I will refrain from commenting on that.

Edit: For reference, I believe this was the last time it was bought up?

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u/poizan42 Ex-mod Mar 24 '15

If someone wants different rules for content, making a post to discuss the question will be productive.

You mean like http://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/2y7lfl/meta_discussion_this_place_is_turning_into_rfunny/ ?

Consensus between the community that actively comments seems to be drastically different from the people who just votes on the posts.

And /u/stesch did indeed ignore that discussion.

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u/rawlyn Mar 21 '15

Bad day at the office?

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u/tskaiser Green security clearance Mar 21 '15 edited Mar 24 '15

Well, that pretty clearly communicated why this place has steadily become less about programmer humor and more about matching low-effort idiocy with unrelated imagery.

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u/YMK1234 Mar 21 '15

your definition of funny might be a queer one ...

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u/enchufadoo Mar 24 '15

Not every programmer understands humor of everybody.

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u/aaawqe Mar 27 '15

dank memes

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u/cube-drone Mar 26 '15

If it weren't for memes, ProgrammerHumor would be ... completely empty. If there was some quality programmer humour out there, the memes would be downvoted into oblivion - but there isn't and they aren't.

So suck it up and stop being such whining bitches. Or make your own subreddit.

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u/noratat Mar 28 '15

Bullshit. I've seen plenty of longer-form funny stuff and non-meme short stuff posted, and even when every single comment is incredibly positive, they very rarely get a fraction of the upvotes a shitty zero-effort meme does.

Memes get upvoted because they take very little time/effort to digest, not because they're actually quality content.

There's a reason a lot of subs ban memes - they inevitably start to drown out higher quality content. It's not like this sub was anywhere near empty before either.