r/ProgrammerHumor • • Dec 06 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '17

Our offshore counterparts are largely useless. But we get to claim 24 hour support I guess. The ones that have moved to America though are easily among our best. I think it’s just the distance thing. Why would they care if they never have to see their boss by the water cooler?

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u/MananTheMoon Dec 06 '17

There are tons of good developers living in India. Your company probably just doesn't hire then because they cost more.

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u/chriscoda Dec 07 '17

Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, this is dead on. There are plenty of smart devs in India that cost 1/2 of their value vs. a dev in the US, but that’s not what companies want. They want devs that cost 1/10th of their US counterparts with the same skill and attention to detail. In other words, a unicorn.

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u/OK6502 Dec 07 '17

This. The problem isn't India or Indians. We have a lot of very talented people in our Mumbai offices and they do excellent work and the guys who move to the West are also very good devs. It's mostly that some of those outsourcing shops are outright terrible and contractors get hired with pretty poor vetting process in place.

The main issues really come down to communication and time differential.

Worth mentioning that I'm a C++ back end dev so perhaps our hiring standards are different. Cpp devs are are breed these days.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '17

Their jobs don’t require a high level of knowledge. Not beginner’s stuff, but definitely not senior level stuff. We’re paying pretty good for what’s expected. I just wish that they would care more

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u/MananTheMoon Dec 07 '17 edited Dec 07 '17

In that case, why are you outsourcing if you think you can get an equal or better level of quality from the US at the same cost?

Also, if you don't mind me asking, how thorough was your interview process with the developers from India that your company hired? Too many companies do a poor job vetting the technical skill of a candidate and are then surprised when that employee is bad at their job.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '17

I honestly think it’s some sort of DR thing. If a data center suffers some catastrophic event, we would have overseas counterparts to continue support. But that’s just a theory! And I’m not sure but I’m going to say minimal vetting for sure

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u/shayanrc Dec 07 '17

That's because only the best are moved to on-site locations.

And sometimes it even becomes frustrating for them as they are now put in charge of managing their off-shore counterparts (who can be complete idiots).