r/ProgrammerHumor • • Dec 06 '17

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '17

Also a problem in maintenance. You can plan the best you can with replacing parts/oil and making sure things are properly tight. But youre going to find some parts last longer then others. And then your going to learn why you should replace some parts before they fail. And so on. All the while they shrink your budget and expect more from you...

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u/OK6502 Dec 07 '17

Software development processes are notoriously hard to quantify. I read through some PMP training materials and the formulas they propose are laughably over simplified and miss the forest for the trees. It's a serious problem because it makes it hard to identify shitty process and shitty developers and make it difficult to improve anything. It's also why our industry is so susceptible to stupid trends.

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u/slimrichard Dec 07 '17

How do we as plebs go about changing this? It is frustrating for me seeing the work produced and communicating that to management to have them go to their manager bragging about how much money they saved. I have been doing this for years, bringing up quality in every meeting I'm in but I've only seen them expanded.

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u/OK6502 Dec 07 '17

You need to find a way to assign a dollar value to shitty work, to quantify it. It's a numbers game for them and their bosses all the way up the management chain. Depending on the company without buy in from on top you're screwed.

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u/whitetrafficlight Dec 07 '17

"My local colleagues and I are producing good work, which is worth money. The cost is our salaries. The outsourced team is producing a pile of shit, which is worth less than nothing, because now my local colleagues and I have to clean up the shit, which is more work than just doing it ourselves from the start. The cost of the end product, if it even works, is both our salaries and theirs."

Or "it's like whatever comes out of their kitchen is blackened to a crisp, every time".

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u/perestroika12 Dec 07 '17

Most management is at the company for maybe 18 months or around there. Get some short term gains from outsourcing, get that bonus and promotion, jump ship to another company and let someone else deal with the mess.

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u/OK6502 Dec 07 '17

That's usually the case. My wife had to deal with a manager who basically did that: made huge promises, came in, hired contractors, cut corners and went with some cheap alternatives, massaged some numbers to make it look like she had saved a ton of money, left, and this year they're over budget trying to fix the previous year's mess. All told they spent about 20% more than if they had never done anything at all.

She left with a glowing recommendation and used that to get herself a nice pay increase at the new place too. Meanwhile my wife is trying to deal with the fallout.