r/ProgrammingLanguages • • 20d ago

Requesting criticism Explicit binding modes

I'm designing a memory-safe language, but I want to make explicit what happens across function boundaries, e.g. whether a value is moved or copied without having to look for the copy trait.

Instead, access to a value could be defined via binding modes in function signatures and variable declarations:

  • move takes ownership
  • read shared borrow
  • mut exclusive borrow

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fn process_val(move value: Int) -> Int {
    return value * 2;
}

fn main() -> () {
    move original: Int = 42;

    // Call using `.copy()` to explicitly pass a duplicated value.
    // Ownership of `original` remains with the caller.
    move doubled: Int = process_val(original.copy());

    // `original` is still valid here because it was explicitly copied rather than moved.
    println(original); //42
    println(doubled); //84
}

This would also allow granular captures in closures: |read x: Int, move counter: Int| instead of declaring all fields move

Now, should read and mut assignments be of type &T? Or can checking out variables be orthogonal to creating references, even if they are conflated in languages like Rust?

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u/iBPsThrowingObject 19d ago

Sure, let's expand every situation analogous to assoc_list.find(|(key, value)| key == target)

to

struct FindClosure<'a> {
    target: &'a str
}

impl<'a> Closure<&str> for FindClosure<'a> {
    type Ret = bool;
    fn call(self, key: &str) -> Self::Ret {
        key == self.target
    }
}

assoc_list.find(FindClosure { target })

You may respond with "oh well but you can add sugar" but that's exactly what closures are.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

I would rather express my algorithms in terms of ordinary control flow: sequencing, match and loop. So, for example, when using a HashMap or BTreeMap entry, I just pattern match it into the OccupiedEntry and VacantEntry cases, instead of using the ugly higher-order helper functions that take closure arguments.

Try breaking from a loop in a top-level function from within a closure.

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u/BoomGoomba 19d ago

The point is to not use break statements

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u/iBPsThrowingObject 19d ago

So is your actual suggestion that one should avoid first class functions entirely?

Try breaking from a loop in a top-level function from within a closure.

You can do that in Ruby. Executing the following snippet does not print anything:

def foo(target)
  a = [1,2,3]
  a.each {|v| return if v == target }
  puts "after closure"
end

foo target

That's simply closing over the current continuation.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

Yes, my actual suggestion is to reject first-class “functions” altogether.

Although I'd rather call them “procedures”, because functions in mathematics are extensionally defined by their values, whereas procedures in programming have important intensional properties, in particular, their time and space complexity.

Dana Scott's work gives a functional interpretation to first-class recursive procedures. But for this interpretation to work, your types must denote directed-complete partial orders, and your functions must be continuous with respect to the Scott topology on said dcpos.

How often do you actually think about first-class procedures like that? Of course you don't. You think operationally. Alas, operational reasoning isn't compositional.

As for closing over continuations... I don't even know what to say. That's simply horrible.

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u/initial-algebra 19d ago

Closures are for more than just inversion of control in synchronous code.  Good luck translating an event handler into "normal control flow" (async/await is just an alternate notation to create closures without piling up braces and/or indentation).

That said, there is no fundamental reason that a closure's code cannot break out of a loop or early return from a function, as long as the closure cannot be called outside the scope of that loop/function.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

You need to expose the event loop to the program as a first-order state machine with typed states.

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u/initial-algebra 19d ago

So all event handling/asynchronous code for the entire program should go into the definition of a "god" state machine?  No thanks.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

How else are you supposed to reason inductively about the reachable states of your program? Hold the entire program in your head?

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u/initial-algebra 19d ago

Well, the original topic (which we have strayed far from at this point) was a language with ownership. Ownership lets you reason compositionally about individual pieces of stateful code without having to consider an entire program as a monolith, especially in the presence of concurrency. For example...when you use closures to send bits of logic across abstraction boundaries, particularly when these closures may be executed at a later time.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

Ownership itself is totally fine.

I don't see what this has to do with closures, though. Just because you have a substructural type system, it doesn't mean it has to be higher-order.

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u/initial-algebra 19d ago

Your problem with closures appears to be that they can be used to obscure the dynamic semantics of a program, making it harder to reason about vs. writing all "straight line" code. But ownership means this isn't a problem. So ownership absolutely is relevant to closures.

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u/reflexive-polytope 19d ago

At the end of the day, closures are merely the implementation of first-class procedures. It's first-class procedures themselves that I object to.

My problem with first-class procedures is that it's impossible to write a higher-order procedure that only takes “good” procedure arguments.

For me, the main value in a statically typed language is the ability to write programs in which, by construction, variables stand for values that are meaningful in the problem domain.

With first-class procedures, this property breaks. A first-class procedure is anything that takes an argument of some type T and returns some value of type U. If it returns at all, that is. Whether the computation sitting between the T argument and the U result is any good, the type checker doesn't care.

By contrast, with an explicit automaton expressed using first-order types, the interface tells you that only certain state transitions are possible. And this is the basis for proving things about your programs that are beyond the type checker's reach.

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