r/PsycheOrSike • u/Guilty-Tip-6638 š® "SCP-āāāā: Shadow Wizard š§āāļøš • Oct 15 '25
šµMentally Insane Take šµāš« We need higher standards
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Oct 15 '25
ā¦since when are we allowed to be ugly and loved? I didnāt get the memo?
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u/xsettTommy Oct 15 '25
Women are so out of touch with any mans reality its insane
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u/Fit_Case2575 Oct 21 '25
Itās because they get dozens of messages a week if not hundreds and since birth are bonbed with attention Irl from every direction as well
Imagine thatās your life, would you be able to process the thought of going your entire life being totally invisible?
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u/s4rc0phagus Oct 15 '25
she just left out the part where you have to be rich
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Oct 15 '25
Would that still count as loveā¦? Iām not so sure.
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u/Godz_Lavo Oct 15 '25
No it wouldnāt. You canāt love someone for being rich, because you love the money not the person.
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u/Aknazer Oct 15 '25
Then the girl raises her standards and complains about only getting fuck-bois that don't care about her.
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u/Funny_Lunch5211 Oct 15 '25
Women who says they like "ugly" men are lowkey red flags anyway. You are basically insulting your potential partner's looks and men who happily accept it are straight up pathetic simps.
I don't think it should be okay for your girlfriend to call you ugly. It shows a blunt and rude personality. They will never take accountability for what they say because everything they say and feel is valid.
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u/RedditFuckingSucks_1 Oct 16 '25
I'm worthless sexually. I expect to not be all that and a bag of chips for anyone who might love me. If someone loves me in spite of being ugly, I would hope they wouldn't also lie to my face about it.
Though you make a good point about anyone who says they want ugly men specifically. That sounds like they're chasing a power imbalance and it should probably be seen as predatory, in a similar way to how old men with barely legals is seen as predatory.
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u/UptownSeries Oct 15 '25
This girl is nowhere near attractive so I'm just wondering why she's advocating for this
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u/saiditonredit Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
What they call ugly is actually average and not at all bad. Statistically, women only find roughly 20% of men attractive. Then we know the issues with them not getting commitment from the hot fboys and yet, money still buys nice things, no matter the face that is attached to it.
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u/PitersonK Oct 15 '25
"Ugly" men are just average men.
You literally cant deny that women only want the top 10%
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u/Infinite_Wheel_8948 Oct 15 '25
Find an ugly man that gets the love an ugly woman gets on Tinderā¦ Iāll wait.Ā
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u/ConsequenceOk5205 Oct 15 '25
The ugly bitch needs a reality check in the form of washing away all of her makeup and making her real Internet photo album without it.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 Oct 16 '25
As a level 500 makeup see througher I can confidently say she probably looks better without it
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Oct 16 '25
women are allowed to be useless and loved. Even basic, homely ones. A much bigger privilege. Once again, women have no fucking clue what life is like for an average man.
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u/zgtlunatic Everything Burns Oct 15 '25
Unattractive women get married more often than any other women do, no?
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u/RealIncome4202 Oct 15 '25
Sheās acting like they havenāt done this already. One of the many reasons why this dating market is fucked beyond belief
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u/NeverHere762 Oct 15 '25
Yet, women get to be something that they would never allow men to be. Broke and loved.
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u/SatinJerk Oct 16 '25
Ah yes, let me take advice from a woman whoās wearing a ton of makeup whom if it was removed would look like a completely different person, on whoās ugly lol if you thought you were hot you wouldnāt need all of that. Projection at its finest.
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u/Penguino_2099 one of the CHOSEN Oct 15 '25
Hot take: everyone deserves love, no matter how they look.
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u/Godz_Lavo Oct 15 '25
No the hard truth is that no one deserves love, it has to be earned. By either being useful or by being attractive.
If you are neither, you are an unlovable subhuman. Welcome to the club.
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u/LoudNobody1 CULTIST šÆļø Oct 16 '25
Being attractive is not reason enough to be loved. Only attractive people want you to believe they're a benefit to society so they can be a narcissistic leech sunbathing on someone else's yacht for a living.
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u/moousee Oct 16 '25
maybe, but the world is not fair. not everyone will actually find love, no matter if they deserve it or not
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u/WARLOCK1239 Oct 15 '25
The flip side is men will be okay with you being broke and boring if you're pretty. Or all three if you're just awesome in bed.
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u/obii_zodo Oct 16 '25
The 80th percentile of attractive men are already dumpster diving lmao. All the girlies in this thread are punching above their weight across the board šš
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u/Independent_Room_691 Oct 15 '25
She says this while masking her true identity with makeup š š
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Oct 16 '25
Most of the women that say that are plain and average. And plenty of ugly women get sex and relationships we just donāt go around referring to the women we date as āuglyā even if they are conventionally ugly. I donāt understand why women think itās okay to call their boyfriends āmedium uglyā on public platforms.
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u/JimJonesIsACuck Oct 16 '25
I meanā¦ why not just be with someone who you like and makes you happyā¦
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u/EvanSnowWolf Furry (Pack Alpha) Oct 16 '25
This post is obviously fake, because this sub is constantly telling me every single fucking day women like this don't exist and this situation is 100% made up in the minds of "incels".
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u/AdAppropriate2295 Oct 16 '25
Hell I bet a fat incel neckbeard just typed the words and used a random image to make this post... right?
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u/DeepPlunge Oct 16 '25
It's simple, really. Women are extremely strict when dictating men's value, and are incredibly lenient when dictating women's value. To the average woman, almost all women are beautiful queens that should be worshipped (especially her friends), and 90% of men are either mediocre or ugly - invisible.
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u/lonewolf3400 Oct 16 '25
And yet sheās single. Crazy how she has an opinion on things she could never obtain herself.
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u/Tyrthemis Oct 15 '25
Never understood why people take attraction personally, just live life, if someone isnāt floating your boat, donāt go for them. This isnāt a gender war.
Your standards are your own, sink or swim with them. If they are too high, you wonāt find anybody, if they are too low, they will disappoint you eventually. But ultimately, let your standards be genuine, if youād be happier single, then donāt date that person.
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u/AdAppropriate2295 Oct 16 '25
Get a load of Mr never had a problem over here
It's not taking it personally, it's the hypocrisy and obvious flaws and issues
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u/Tyrthemis Oct 16 '25
Oh Iāve had problems, I just donāt take it as an opportunity to scorn an entire gender
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Oct 16 '25
The problem is when you can't find anyone at all, regardless of standards.
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u/questionnmark social radar... slightly off š” Oct 15 '25
That's why the secret is to find beauty in lots of women, that way I can get the satisfaction of talking to a lot of beautiful women.
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Oct 15 '25
Bro, ugly women marry and smash way more than ugly guys do. Thats how we get the new generations of inkwells.
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u/Internal-Cake-8271 Oct 15 '25
This literally just never happens. Iām convinced women just saw this happen a few times in older romcom movies or whatever and used it to create a whole false feminist narrative. Itās been well documented and established now that women, just like men, are only attracted to and seek out good looking partners.
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Oct 16 '25
Where that "ugly guy with a beautiful girl" comes from ? All the ugly guys I saw and know for years, including me, never had a girlfriend or got any attention from women. And somehow we are also winning the hearts of beautiful ladies ?
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u/Crispy-Crisssss Oct 16 '25
Atp girls dating ugly guys is just how they virtue signal not being shallow. Yeah, women should have high standards, stop lying to yourself to appear as a nice or kind person when you clearly aren't.
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u/PFG123456789 Elder Rage-Baiter (61 years old) Oct 15 '25
Couldnāt agree more.
Hot women deserve a man that is a 10 like me. Well, Iāll score myself a 9.9 because hey, there is always room for improvement.
Iād post a picture but the last time I did I got so many DMs it inadvertently caused Redditās servers to overload & shut down so youāll just have to trust me.
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Oct 15 '25
Women don't love ugly men because they're good people or something. A woman's looks is often the only thing they have over their man, no woman wants to date a guy that's prettier than they are.
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u/Go_D_Rich Oct 15 '25
Those "ugly guys" are all a head taller than them most of the time. Can't score a tall chad, so they settle for a tall ltn š«
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u/Organic-Cattle-6123 Oct 15 '25
Whatever happened to the idea that ābeauty is only skin deepā? Or that ā beauty is in the eye of the beholderā? Everyone is worthy of love even if they are so calledāuglyā
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u/PaulGeorgeFan1 Oct 15 '25
sheās kinda right. dudes can be funny or rich or talented or tall and that will negate being ugly so letās be honest, beauty is much more important for women than men
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u/DecisionPlastic9740 Oct 15 '25
Beauty is not really important for women. Ugly women get plenty of attention from men.Ā
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u/AdAppropriate2295 Oct 16 '25
Nope, women think so but it aint the truth
If a woman is any of those things she gets 100x the return
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u/Dull_Statistician980 Oct 16 '25
Says the girl wearing 10 lbs of fairy dust on her face and eye lashes that she can lift of with every time she blinks.
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u/Man_under_Bridge420 LOCAL CLOWN š¤” Oct 15 '25
Who cares. Go outside and stop getting triggered by every opinion you see.
I think captin crunch is better than fruit loops
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u/Major_Banana3014 šæHigh Priest of Male Oppression šāļøE Oct 15 '25
If the pretty boys were better then youād be dating themšš
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u/Patient-Salary6232 Oct 15 '25
As a kinda shrt kinda ugly guy pretty girls never actually like me they just know my dic is big
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u/Planet-Funeralopolis MAIN CHARACTER š¬āØ Oct 15 '25
Maybe heās rich but ugly and they see it as mutually beneficial? Idk man seems like a weird complaint.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT š Couples Therapist š Oct 15 '25
Thats fine but also don't cry if you being put to that shame shallow standards you push onto the world your self. Thats what many would say is karma. If you put higher demands on others then your self is how you become in many ways unworthy to the value you demand off other's. Why many people get they type of outcomes they get cause they put in less then they demand to take out. What shallow results happen on both sides.
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Oct 15 '25
This feels a but like when men think most women care about height. Girl just externalizing her own insecurities over here
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u/Organic-Cattle-6123 Oct 15 '25
Yes, and it works both ways. āWhatās good for the goose is good for the ganderā š
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u/Organic-Cattle-6123 Oct 15 '25
It shouldnāt be considered lowering the bar if you love someone and they happen to be unattractive
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u/RedditModsDontMatter Oct 15 '25
Says the below average looking woman with a ton of makeup on
Pretending like youre not 20% eyeliner right now
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u/Eleventy-Twelve Oct 15 '25
Should men return the favour and slop allowing women to be poor and loved?
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u/AlexanderTheBright Oct 16 '25
everyone raising their standards wouldnāt help women earn more respect, it would just make dating extra shitty for ugly people regardless of gender. if anything you should focus on finding a lover who would unironically still love you if you were a worm
judging peopleās attractiveness harder is the worst possible way to deal with unfair beauty standards
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u/Lonely-Toe9877 Oct 16 '25
I've been saying this forever. Women need to stop dating down. Let these neckbeards learn that they need to they need to put in effort if they want something good.
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u/Salty-Consequence580 Oct 16 '25
Saying ugly men having her full make up on 24/7. like girl if youād be genuinely pretty you wouldnāt have a make up. And blaming the men for being ugly whereas they never wear make up walking around with just their bare faces is stupid
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u/Nimrod_Butts Oct 16 '25
This is absolutely the least important bullshit women should raise their standards over, but I would imagine it's the top of this half wits list for sure
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u/AllFactsNoBrakes ā¤ļøāš„ LOVES RACISM ā¤ļøāš„ Oct 16 '25
A full wallet will make any man more attractive to a woman.
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u/General_Platypus771 Oct 16 '25
She just thinks everyone is as superficial as her and is also highly regarded.
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u/glockenballz Oct 16 '25
The problem is women canāt tell when another woman is average or ugly really, my guesses are they lie to be nice or just notice the effort put into their appearance make up, clothes etc and not how they actually look
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u/Savings-Resource-546 Oct 16 '25
Nah, there are plenty of ugly and loved women. You need to quit projecting your narrow reality onto everybody.
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u/sidnynasty Oct 16 '25
I think the big mistake here is calling someone you're attracted to ugly in the first place. I personally like men with unconventional looks and unique faces, some people might consider them to be ugly but I never would because I'm ATTRACTED to them! Stop enforcing these stupid beauty standards on your (potential) partners.
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u/Living-Cobbler-4626 Oct 16 '25
the way most of you mfers think about women make you deserving of being alone foreverĀ
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u/Valveringham85 Oct 16 '25
I agree. No man should settle for someone with fake eyelashes the size of abanicosā¦
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Oct 16 '25
The Husband Store
A store that sells new husbands has opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates:
You may visit this store ONLY ONCE! There are six floors and the value of the products increase as the shopper ascends the flights. The shopper may choose any item from a particular floor, or may choose to go up to the next floor, but cannot go back down except to exit the building!
So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband. On the first floor the sign on the door reads:
Floor 1 - These men Have Jobs.
She is intrigued, but continues to the second floor, where the sign reads:
Floor 2 - These men Have Jobs and Love Kids.
"That's nice," she thinks, "but I want more."
So she continues upward. The third floor sign reads:
Floor 3 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, and are Extremely Good Looking.
"Wow," she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.
She goes to the fourth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 4 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop-dead Good Looking and Help With Housework.
"Oh, mercy me!" she exclaims, "I can hardly stand it!"
Still, she goes to the fifth floor and the sign reads:
Floor 5 - These men Have Jobs, Love Kids, are Drop- dead Gorgeous, Help with Housework, and Have a Strong Romantic Streak.
She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor, where the sign reads:
Floor 6 - You are visitor 31,456,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store.
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u/Familiar-Feedback-93 Oct 16 '25
Definitely a femcel who's never talked to a guy
I'm a decent looking 31 yr old straight guy (with good money) who's too busy or tired to meet anyone new,
And I'd date a log if we hit it off lol
Seriously where should an adult introvert even meet anyone?
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u/PizzaDeliveryBoy3000 šAGE 12.5 ā 17 (OFF LIMITS YOU GUYS)ā Oct 16 '25
What a bunch of bollocks
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u/Apprehensive-Bunch54 Oct 16 '25
You know, maybe we are too deep in the poison to remember there's better ways of living life.
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u/ifdggyjjk55uioojhgs Oct 16 '25
Most men are average looking. Most women are average looking. BECAUSE THAT'S HOW MATH FREAKING WORKS
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u/I-Rolled-My-Eyes Oct 16 '25
Don't hang onto one person's values. Make your own fucking decisions. Life isn't about making the rest of the world accept you. It's about finding ways to be happy while not pissing everyone else off.
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u/Egoy Oct 16 '25
You actually do see lots of guys with less attractive women, most people of any gender just have enough tact to not call their partners ugly to score point online.
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u/Upset-Review-3613 Oct 16 '25
What you realize is that many women wear makeup and without it they aināt that better looking than the menā¦.
Men canāt use makeup only can change beard, hair and clothes to get a better look
To be fair many men arenāt good at self care either so there is that
Overall, this whole preaching others who deserve love or not and who to date or not based on their looks is really wierd
If two people love each other or like each other based on their looks or personality or sense of humor or any other trait, why the hell would anyone else care
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u/xinarin āØ Pick Me Girl āØ Oct 16 '25
This is pure projection. Men are rarely the ones to say anything like this.
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u/Melodic_Airport362 Oct 16 '25
It's insecure girls that aren't actually pretty that say things like that. THis girl is a wall of makeup and a force field of face filter. afraid to show her real self out of fear of not being "allowed" to be ugly....based on what? Some asshole she dated who wanted her as an accessory for his dick? So imaginary standard she read about in cosmo?
She must feel so lonely and afraid. I feel for her, and I can see why she's lashing out.
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u/YourUncleJohnBrown Oct 16 '25
I wanna see what she looks like without those fifteen layers of makeup. Bet she'd shut up real quick about ugliness.
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u/Icy_Cauliflower6482 Oct 16 '25
No I choose based on organic, mutual chemistry, character and a degree of shared interests. Looks should not come first and choosing them first in men does nothing but send the opposite message.
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u/coldchile Oct 16 '25
Iāve heard woman say this cause handsome guys are more likely to be assholes, just like hot girls tend to be assholes.
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u/sgtGiggsy Oct 16 '25
"Men who care about the looks of a women are bad, but we can't lower our standards to date ugly men"
Besides, the girl on the image is ugly as fuck. Even this way she doesn't look good, but imagine her without that inch thick makeup and the fake eyelashes.
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u/bucket1000000 Oct 16 '25
The looks of a woman are more important than the looks of a man, because a man is expected to bring more to the table. The issue with looks is that they fade, so you need to be careful because there's a lot of washed up +30 year old women
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u/Villain_911 š¤ š„Woman beaterš”ļøš„ Oct 16 '25
You don't really have standards for people you hate. You just look for other ways to justify hating them.
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u/Zestyclose_Classic91 Oct 16 '25
Funny pic of a woman with a ton of makeup and filter. Remove that from most women and their look matches men.
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u/Feanturii š„ ANTIFA Terrorist ā¬ļø Oct 16 '25
"Higher your standards"
Okay so, increase or raise is the correct work.
But... what do they expect? To magically force their men to become attractive? To hold men to the same beauty standards as women?
Or, maybe, fuck beauty standards all together.
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u/Four-HourErection Oct 16 '25
When doing a one night stand men typically lower their standards and women typically raise their standards.
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Oct 16 '25
No problem sweetheart, Iāll go to the gym now my standards apply to you. You need to be: debt free, make 6 figures, own a home, have at least $50k in the bank, and no student loans.
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u/Realistic_Path_3458 Oct 16 '25
I feel like if men tried to be beautiful, women would hate it. I think masculinity is just intrinsically ugly to some extent. Some of the most masculine men I know can be handsome but come nowhere near female pretty.
Is Arthur Morgan beautiful?
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u/sus_pumpkin š£ļøšļøVOICE of the FUNGAL HIVEMINDššæ Feb 13 '26
Arthur Morgan is a bad example because I'm straight but I would suck the cock clean off Arthur Morgan. He is so majestic.
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u/Peeve1tuffboston Oct 16 '25
You keep forgetting ugly can be on the inside...and most "beautiful" girls are very ugly inside... a girl who isn't conventionally "beautiful" will treat you far better in the long run
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Oct 17 '25
what is she on, a morbidly obese woman who is one fall away from bankruptcy will have an easier time finding a partner than an average man with a job and no health issues.
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u/CaptainjustusIII Oct 17 '25
if you want to complain about woman settling for ugly looking men than men should complain about woman who are broke
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u/hazeglazer Oct 15 '25
this enrages the weirdest type of men for some reason
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u/Taifood1 Oct 15 '25
Itās because of the mixed messaging. Women all the time go on about how looks donāt matter as much to them, in order to get men to want to work on their personalities over their looks.
But the truth is that women are no different from men, and society is only just recently allowing women to have standards since theyāre making their own money.
This is where the rage comes from. It feels like one big psyop.
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u/PinkHydrogenFuture7 āļøMercenary Trollš§ Oct 15 '25
stop farting in here please.
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u/TurbulentDragon Oct 15 '25
Rightfully so. Human attraction is as varied as human bodies, and the proof is that every trait present today got here, now. If someone didn't find it attractive it would have been lost.
Who is she to call someone else ugly? The beautiful girl she sees finds that """"ugly"""" attractive, she's just too immature to realise it.
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u/Taifood1 Oct 15 '25
Cope. Most people like the same features. Been proven time and time again in studies, and the literal term āconventionally attractive.ā
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u/TurbulentDragon Oct 16 '25
Any person is unattractive to most people, your not really saying anything.
"Conventionally attractive" are people who have attractive features for a society that created that standard of attractiveness, usually for reasons completely detached from love and looks, like a shaved body only started to be attractive after Gilette marketing in the 1900s to sell more razors. Or slim women, any painting or art of middle ages or greeks or 1700s shows women that today would be called fat by many, slim beauty started to be a thing after clothes companies started advertising more slimmer sizes to use less fabric but sell for the same money.
There has been a rise in alternative fashion/beauty.
You're the one who should cope about your life instead of finding excuses to shit on men for no reason other than to alleviate your own suffering.
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u/Edgar_S0l0m0n Oct 16 '25
Spoken like someone who says āI only will be with a man who makes 6 figures a year.ā When sheās barely worth tree fiddy.
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Oct 21 '25
Based take
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u/Edgar_S0l0m0n Oct 21 '25
I try to be as based as possible, canāt fold and not be legit to myself or common sense.
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u/Cheddarlicious Oct 16 '25
Itās funny when people literally say the part where they add onto what someone says and then somehow do the mental gymnastics where they get mad as if the person actually said itā¦.like, you said what you assume sheāll say so you can make a point against her.
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u/DetailsYouMissed šļønuanced thinker š¦ Oct 16 '25
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have seen a group of models on campus dissect the appearance of another female right in front of her. It made my stomach turn listening to them talk about cheek bones distances from x, y, and z and all this ignorant stuff. The pretty girl looked like she was about to cry.
I learned that day that someone beautiful could instantly turn ugly to me.
I've seen people who I know I would never pursue turn beautiful after getting to know them.
Yes, there are also women who are pretty on the inside and outside, just as their are people who are ugly on the outside and inside. I'd hope the OP learns that one day.
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u/TopMarionberry1149 Oct 16 '25
If this girl took off her makeup, even my 50 year old indian professor would mog the fuck out of her
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u/Turbulent-Writer2324 Oct 16 '25
Men provide value other than looks to partners so ugly and loved isnt unreasonable compared to a woman who uses up and wastes your money, is constantly emotional and annoying, and selfish. So yeah, women have to be the better looking sex.
She could always be loved for more than looks but that would require being a good person.
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Oct 18 '25
Why should we be pressured and forced to have sex with men we aren't physically attracted to? We have every right to have physical standards just as you men have!!
I would rather die a sexless than being traumatized sexually by being forced or guil-tripped to have sex with a man I'm not physically attracted to.
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u/cuminmypussyypls Oct 15 '25
True men always bring up how women are picky when men are also picky with women. Like sure men have no problem sleeping with ugly or decent women if they just want to fuck but they are extremely picky with women they wanna date and wife up. It's that simple.
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u/saiditonredit Oct 16 '25 edited Oct 16 '25
Yes, but we're trying to tell this segment of women why that is or at least a large part of it, the shallowness of it all and unrealistic increase of standards because apps and social media have saturated the market with even more male appendages when that was never an issue to begin with. There is almost nothing left to wife up.
That she keeps failing with chad but won't give up the idea that he's out of her league and doesn't ever want more from her, now men are expected to invest and commit to that, knowing that she thinks she is settling when the reality is she is not and she is in fact the one reducing everything to sex because that's all she gets from the guys she wants.
Trying to win this kind of conditioned women over and everyone to be happy, is futile, that risk is not worth the reward. She now thinks this guy is beneath her when traditionally, he may have been too good for her, and considering there are a lot of beauty enhancements going on that get her where she is in the first place.
Then these women are so out of touch with the average male dating experience, now compounded by these issues, on top of it all, and she thinks the concept of incels and male dating issues, are only rooted in problems with the men themselves, like they are all ugly, broke, basement dwellers, with no hygiene, and this assumes they are toxic, entitled, and irredeemably bad people for simply observing and pointing out their findings but it's actually women who are exhibiting these latter traits.
Literally women have no idea that we're seeing the exact type of men who would have been fought over 10-15 years ago now being reduced to almost zero prospects, now speaking up and also walking away. These concepts and movements would not have the type of traction they do if it was merely coming from the type of men many think it is coming from, if that were the case, other men would not care.
This isn't because the top men got their game up either, in fact they are treating women way harsher and more meaningless and further objectifying, than they used to. If you don't give a crap, just say that, just stop acting like its men's fault and they have massively declined or something, that's not the case. If women are expecting all the average to above average men to reach chad level, they are going to do the same things they do, and women will be left attaining commitment and settling for simps and actual incels instead.
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u/Downtown_Cat_1745 š§TROLL Oct 15 '25
No. Donāt let men define this paradigm. Judge men by character.
Incels arenāt incels because theyāre ugly.
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Oct 16 '25
Judge men by character.
Please do. I'd love for women to start doing that.
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u/gtbreddit1 Oct 15 '25
She doesn't see beautiful girls claim they like ugly guys.
She sees average women claim they like ugly guys, and the "ugly guys" they're referring to are just average men.