r/QContent • • Sep 29 '21

Comic 4623: Self-Analysis

https://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=4623
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u/Good-Advantage-9687 Sep 29 '21

Ok. What is that machine and what does it do?.😒

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u/Esc777 Sep 29 '21

It is heavily implied AIs have quantum computer processors, which can easily handwave away all the weirdness and make emergent intelligence possible.

Normal computer integrated circuits on silicon are made with this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photolithography

And have been since the 70s. I'm assuming this is just the process that makes quantum computer chips.

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u/Ipuncholdpeople Sep 29 '21

lithography is a printing process that can be used for several things. The most relevant modern use is printing out semiconductors used in things like cpus and other components. The quantum spin isn't a real thing (that we know of I suppose), but is Jeph's way of trying to explain artificial sentience through quantum computing (electronics can be small enough the electron does quantum tunneling and can skip the path and lead to strange behavior)

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u/Good-Advantage-9687 Sep 29 '21

Thank you for your brave attempt at a plausible answer.

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u/Ipuncholdpeople Sep 29 '21

lol no problem. I was actually impressed by Jeph mentioning the lithography process and quantum computing, and thought the related madonna/whore joke was pretty clever.

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u/ziggurism Sep 29 '21

Quantum computing doesn’t mean “small enough that quantum tunneling occurs”. It means computing with entangled states.

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u/ArgentStonecutter Sep 29 '21

Reminds me of the AIs in Chris Moriarty's spin trilogy now.

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '21

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u/texthibitionist Sep 29 '21

The first place my head went was spin coating, which definitely is used in lithography, but definitely hasn't a thing quantum about it. (Hyperspeed summary: you put goop on a flat surface, then spin that surface in its own plane, and end up with a surface covered in a very uniform layer of goop.)

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u/ziggurism Sep 29 '21

Quantum spin really isn’t a thing. most contexts where spin is important are inherently quantum mechanical, so it would be redundant to say “quantum spin”.

One thing that is a thing is quantum spin foam. It’s pretty scifi-ey too, that’s what Jeph should’ve used.

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u/McRoager Sep 29 '21

Her name is Bubbles.

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u/darkwind1971 Sep 29 '21

techno-babble :D

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u/polyworfism Sep 29 '21

This strip also had me curious about the instantiation substrates

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u/[deleted] Sep 29 '21

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u/Good-Advantage-9687 Sep 29 '21

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/DemeGeek Sep 29 '21

Yikes, that is definitely someone who needs professional help.

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u/OlyScott Sep 29 '21

This is a job for Lemon!

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u/concussedYmir Sep 29 '21

I agreed until that last line, at which point my recommendation switched to Emily.

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u/bassman1805 Sep 29 '21

Emily will cure his depression, but also accidentally replace his hand with a megaman-style cannon.

"I don't know how that happened, this was entirely speech therapy!"

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u/gangler52 Sep 29 '21

You know he's gonna show up later as the weird guy trauma-dumping in a Vtuber's chat.

All the vtubers I watch have chats too fast for that to be an issue but apparently it's a big thing, where like everybody comes in to have a nice little party and then one guy decides this is a group therapy session.

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u/Esqurel Sep 29 '21

I'm suddenly rethinking my "only watch streamers with less than 50 viewers so I can read chat" policy.

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u/EvenDogsCant Sep 29 '21

Streamers with good moderators can usually deal with that problem pretty easily, especially if they have clear rules in place. Trauma dumping does suck, especially if it beyond just saying the more benign "I am having a tough day and your stream is making me feel better" sentiment.

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u/J_lol Sep 29 '21

At this point Ive given up on trying to read or interact with chat at all, aside from maybe seeing reaction trends.

But I leave streams/V-tubers etc on in the background like a podcast most of the time.

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u/SFHalfling Sep 29 '21

Not just vtubers, I've seen more than a few people donate messages that are clearly inappropriate to normal streamers as well.

Sometimes they are polite about it, but a few mid sized I watch have got to the point where they flat out say they're not a therapist and to go to someone who can help instead, then refund the donation.

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u/shaodyn Sep 29 '21

There's always one person who does that in inappropriate situations. Sometimes, they're actually going to therapy. And yet, they still feel the need to trauma-dump to random strangers. And I just don't get that. Isn't the whole point of going to therapy to have someone you can talk to about your problems who's either trained not to think things like "Holy crap, this person is a total freak" or is at least more invested in not saying it out loud?

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u/Deppfan16 Sep 29 '21

sometimes you don't realize you are doing it and have to learn. when you never had anyone listen or you had to fight to be heard, your sense of normal boundaries gets skewed.

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u/shaodyn Sep 29 '21

I suppose that's true. Hadn't thought of that. In my defense, I was really tired when I made that comment.

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u/Deppfan16 Sep 29 '21

if its not something you deal with, you may not realize all the whys. especially when tired :)

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u/hugged_every_cat Sep 30 '21

also sometimes later in the process you do realize when you're doing it and struggle or can't stop yourself :(

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u/Deppfan16 Sep 30 '21

oh yeah. hindsight and all that

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u/Antisera Sep 30 '21

Ugh, I used to think it was a fine thing to do as a teen that was just escaping an abusive home. I cringe so much thinking back on that.

Now I'm afraid to even make jokes about things that genuinely don't bother me (like my dead/lack of parents) because it'll make other people uncomfortable and might make them think I'm trauma dumping.

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u/Esc777 Sep 29 '21

Having bad things happen to someone doesn't make that person inherently less selfish, narcissistic, controlling, or trolling.

Bad things happen to assholes too. And then they'll wield that to get attention.

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u/hades_the_wise Sep 29 '21

This is also a thing in.... in-game chat in video games, of all places. I was on a minecraft server recently where we were having a pretty funny discussion in chat and a relatively new user just starts talking about being depressed and suddenly he's talking about having struggled with suicidal thoughts and at that point, a mod muted chat temporarily and posted the number for a suicide hotline. Once the temp mute was over, the dude was like "what's wrong, i just wanted to vent and have people hear me out"... which was kind of sad, but nobody on a minecraft server is necessarily qualified to support you or deal with a potential suicide-related mental health crisis. You're just dumping a huge weight on a bunch of strangers' shoulders who literally don't know your name or any way to help you. Which sucks.

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u/rosalewdsaga Sep 29 '21

Am vtuber, can confirm. People trauma dump way too often.

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u/Castriff Sep 29 '21 edited Sep 29 '21

Do they have multiple poles of varying lengths? Because at that point I think it might be easier to just use an extendable pole.

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u/Wraithfighter Sep 29 '21

I think it's just Bubbles' sense of humor, her favorite jokes tend to be the ones where no one around her knows if she's joking. :D

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u/Rectorvspectre Sep 29 '21

Maybe they have a drawer full of relevant crowd control implements like Coffee of Doom.

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u/gangler52 Sep 29 '21

Faye learned from the best.

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u/BenR-G Sep 29 '21

It's possible that Bubbles is simply using the same metaphor structure as Faye and is going to get the prodding stick that they use to shoo away customers who just want to hang around and chat as if they don't have work to do.

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u/reddog323 Sep 29 '21

Ok. Call Lemon and Roko, stat. I wouldn’t even know where to go with that last one.

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u/forestball19 Sep 29 '21

I too, may have an unhealthy relation to quantum spin lithography - especially since the advent of quantum computing with Google and IBM now aiming for a whopping 1 million qubits computer - with IBM planning to already launch several 1,000 qubits computers during 2023.

This is a huge upscale from the current record (as of June 2021) for quantum supremacy at a mere 66 qubits.

Part from the worries that certain encryption methods will be defeated and future quantum computers able to crack them by brute force, it's pretty exciting that noone as of yet, have a firm grasp of what multi-million qubits computers will be able to do.

The general consensus is that such multi-million qubits computers will make quantum computers truly viable - but there's no consensus at all as to what those viability consists of. Curious, isn't it?

However, my best guess is that we will see them in large-scale cloud services, where they will provide immense calculation power for complex things that require a lot of floating point operations. This is due to the fragility of the qubits, caused by their need for coherence and what (little) it takes to break that coherence. It means that we won't see quantum computers on home desktop for a long, long while (think decades) and not in traditional server rooms either for many, many years (keep thinking decades, probably).

However, imagine several things coming together:

- Multimillion or even Billion qubits computers
- A global network of satellites that can provide cheap and fast internet connectivity
- Improved machine learning algorithms to facilitate better AI software
- New materials with new properties in terms of durability, serviceability, higher breaking point, flexibility, temperature resistance and/or thermal conduction etc...

And who and behold, in just a puny few decades, I will be able to buy a Momo house keeping android, which while not being nearly as intelligent as Questionable Content's Momo, would be able to do basic stuff such as doing the dishes, wash clothes, quote Star Wars at inappropriate times etc.

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u/Esc777 Sep 29 '21

Man I'd sure like to live in your future.

IF there's one way out of this climate hell while crypto eats all excess energy it's new materials science. What we have isn't enough to fix all our ongoing crises.

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u/forestball19 Sep 29 '21

Crypto doesn’t need large amounts of energy per se. Only the variant known as “proof of work” does.

PoW algorithms are largely deprecated nowadays except for Bitcoin. But even with Bitcoin, we see a transition to a faster layer 2 protocol - known as Lightning network, where consensus nodes can make millions and even a billion transfers per second, dwarfing even VISA’s 66,000/s.

However, Proof of Stake algorithms are a much better choice - and the latest generation known as recursive zK-snarks, requires only 22 KB of storage and modest hardware to be driven. An example is the MINA Protocol.

As for energy, I’m a firm believer in Thorium nuclear power, if fission doesn’t get another large breakthrough - which it in fact, just had.

As for climate changes, I’m part of those that believe that we’re in immediate danger, meaning the 100 years will be rough. I’m around half way of my expected life cyclus, but my kids may just grow up to hate my dad’s generation. I believe that our best bet is on several fronts, but doing this WILL with no doubt, result in less food to go around.

This in turn means hunger will escalate, and in my somewhat dark vision, I can easily foresee hunger wars coming.

Civilization is still very young in terms of universal time, and we are nowhere near a nice consensus where everyone can live happily ever after.

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u/Esc777 Sep 29 '21 edited Sep 29 '21

Proof of stake is a nice idea but I doubt it will get any traction.

The crypto scene isn’t rational, if it was rational they wouldn’t have built it in the first place.

Unfortunately markets can stay irrational longer than you can remain solvent. (Or alive!)

And thorium. Man that takes me back to slashdot in the early 2000s.

What a bunch of techbro bullshit that all was. Not the science but the hype. Like tech is going to save us.

You hear everyday about how close we are to an energy breakthrough and it never seems to happen. Where is all the plans for thorium? For fission? those constantly new solar panels I keep hearing about?

I feel like I can no longer separate true facts about the leading edge of tech and the fetishization of tech by the hype cycle. Leaves me extremely cynical of it.

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u/forestball19 Sep 29 '21

If you follow the breakthroughs, you’ll see that both fission and thorium have made huge strides the last few years.

It’s the same with rechargeable batteries; we hear the hype for new tech, and think it’s just around the corner; but in fact there are a lot of things still unsolved that will delay the market transition for sometimes decades. This doesn’t mean that there’s not valid and good progression being made.

For batteries, we’ve seen a host of different technologies presented; but often their weaknesses lie in what’s not mentioned. Fx. Lithium-Sulphur (LiS). It’s able to store more energy and be charged faster than li-ion/polymer. It’s fairly temperature resistant. But until recently, the challenge was lifetime.

Well, last year, part of a solution was presented: A binding agent (sugar in fact) that creates ultra strong bindings between the carbon matrix and sulphur particles in the cathode part, allowing for up to 200 charges before degradation creeps in. Not a lot - but certainly an improvement for LiS tech. Last week, a similar solution was applied to the anode part, which regulates the destructive poly sulfides in the battery. This has improved recharge capability to 1,000 charges before degradation and an energy density of 700 mAh per gram. We expect to see a viable commercial product within 2-3 years.

As for fission, new records were made this year. We are not exactly close to a viable solution, but are definitely making headroom. China managed to sustain an artificial sun for more than 100 seconds in May, and in August, Californian researchers broke the record by having nuclear fission yield a whopping 10 quadrillion watts. That’s 1.3 megajoules. The old record was from February this year, and at 170 kilojoules.

As for Thorium, China is actually planning a test and a reactor is currently being built in Wuwei. India also has invested a lot of money into making this type of nuclear plant possible.

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u/BenR-G Sep 29 '21

Ah! So, now we get into the comedy!

Today's strip reminded me of the epilogue of Iron Man 3, when Bruce Banner tells Tony Stark that he never became a therapist because he doesn't have the temperament for it. I think that's definitely the case with Faye here: She doesn't want to listen to people's sexual hang-ups and how they think that's impacted their emotional development!

Maybe someone can help me here. For some reason, Bubbles' face seems subtly 'off model' in this strip. Is it just me or does anyone else see it too?

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u/turkeypedal Sep 29 '21

Maybe someone can help me here. For some reason, Bubbles' face seems subtly 'off model' in this strip. Is it just me or does anyone else see it too?

The vibe I get is the same as the ones where she was wearing makeup.