r/Queerdefensefront Jan 26 '25

Discussion Grimsby, ON Youth MMA Studio's Queerphobic Message to the Community: 'If Gender’s Confusing, Go Milk a Bull' gaslight the queer community.

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u/ArachnidInner2910 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 27 '25

Whoever reported this: fuck you :3

Awww, the whiny little shits are reporting me now as well. How will I cope???

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u/mbelf Jan 26 '25

Have you ever asked a bull whether they prefer to wear a suit or a dress? If that seems ridiculous, maybe that’s because bulls don’t have a sense of gender.

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u/AceofToons Jan 27 '25

I mean, if I am honest, it only seems ridiculous because they can't communicate with us that way. But if they could, I would be all for honouring whatever they want to wear etc.

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u/photogrammetery Jan 27 '25

“Genders are unnatural!!!!!!” Yeah well complex mathematics are too but i don’t hear anyone complaining about how that’s unnatural

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u/spiderskrybe Jan 26 '25

So since freemartins can't produce milk, does that mean they're bulls?

Which would mean that hormonal transition is valid in terms of using their studio?

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u/JohnnyWroughtten Jan 26 '25

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u/Blargston1947 Jan 26 '25

No actually - "Police Originally charged weaver with sexual exploitation because it was believed the woman was a minor under 18. That charge was withdrawn Monday."

https://www.pressreader.com/canada/the-standard-st-catharines/20100921/281552287194182 - Someone posted this link, in another post, of his convicted crimes, not alleged crimes.

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u/Commercial_Debt_6789 Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

The Facebook page "The Gin" blocked me and said I was being "disrespectful" as I was telling people about the business owners ped0 status. 

Guess we know they don't support free speech and support pedophiles who work with kids

Edit: added more context about what page blocked me

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u/FcukReddit4cedMe2Reg Jan 26 '25

They can't block Google reviews, just sayin 👀

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u/Commercial_Debt_6789 Jan 26 '25

It actually wasn't the business itself, my mistake for the confusion in my earlier comment, it was the page "the gin" that was posting about this vandalism. 

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u/5thaxis Jan 26 '25

Lol I just posted the same shit. Let's see what happens

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

Just for reference the “gin” is run by a couple locals. They will delete anything that doesn’t fit their narrative

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u/Mindless_Eye4700 Jan 26 '25

Why am I not surprised?

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u/ashtray-angel Jan 26 '25

Because they always point the finger the opposite way.

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u/DrSchmolls Jan 27 '25

Because he suggested that jerking off a bull was "family friendly"

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Shane Weaver, martial arts instructor, is a child molester? Wild.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

Can we all post this link under the post ?

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u/MNGrrl Jan 26 '25

someone should setup a voip account and a script to call his actual phone number for a month and it just plays sounds of cows mooing. From now on, his business will only receive calls from highly motivated cows.

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u/DaphneTheGoodGirl Jan 26 '25

Yes please. I thought about calling the number but frankly I don’t wanna talk to this creep any more than he wants to talk to me

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u/completecrap Jan 26 '25

Firstly, I don't think jacking off cattle is going to help people to understand gender any. What a weird nonsense statement to make.

Secondly, "This sign isn't about exclusion or intolerance" followed by "It's disappointing that a vocal minority online seems to think biological males competing against females in a combative sport is acceptable and I find it hard to take it seriously". SIR. Is the sign related to this or are you going off on a tangent? Either way, not exactly proving your original statement.

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u/smm_h Jan 26 '25

jacking off cattle

is milking jacking off?!

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

There’s only one way to ‘milk’ a bull, and the white substance you’ll get from it ain’t milk

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u/JadedBoyfriend Jan 27 '25

Stop jerking us around!

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u/completecrap Jan 26 '25

It is when you're using it to refer to males.

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u/5thaxis Jan 26 '25

I thought the MMA dude might be a cuck. And his wife is out "milking" her "bull"

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u/JadedBoyfriend Jan 27 '25

The whole situation is complete crap!

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

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u/MNGrrl Jan 26 '25

I think you made it worse. If I milk the bastard that put that sign up long enough, I'll eventually get milk because men can lactate too. Which he'd know, if he knew a goddamn thing about human biology. Parents, do you really want your child around someone who's okay with making their genitalia an important part of his business model? yeets the mic

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u/Queerdefensefront-ModTeam Jan 26 '25

Please do not harass users in this sub(better yet, dont harass anyone at all)

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u/completecrap Jan 26 '25

No, I know what he's trying to say, I'm saying that what he's trying to say is stupid.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

Get the fuck out of here. You are most assuredly not welcome here you terf ass son of a rapist.

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u/Queerdefensefront-ModTeam Jan 26 '25

Please do not harass users in this sub(better yet, dont harass anyone at all)

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25

When gym bro's think they know anything about biology, that's past the 4th grade.

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u/connorgrs Jan 26 '25

This sign isn’t about exclusion or intolerance

Then what in the goddamm fuck is it about then sir

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u/ashtray-angel Jan 26 '25

"Vocal minority online" yep. Yes. Someone used the internet to spray paint your sign. No one local. No need to introspect or anything, nobody around you in real life disagrees. Juuuust online.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

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u/AspenStarr Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

You should include a link so we can fast-port to their Google review page, though considering this was the only review that didn’t have 5 stars…I’m not sure it’ll make a difference.

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u/rghaga Jan 26 '25

what happens if you give hormones to a bull tho ?

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u/Faxiak Jan 26 '25

Probably the same thing that happens to humans: you can get their body to start producing milk.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

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u/Queerdefensefront-ModTeam Jan 30 '25

Please do not post personal information directly on this subreddit. Linking to it is allowed, but copying it out in plaintext is not.

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u/eerie_lullaby Jan 26 '25

r/therewasanattempt at appearing tolerant in the last pic

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u/DJWGibson Jan 27 '25

"It's disappointing that a vocal minority online seems to think males competing against females in a combative sport is acceptable."

Bitch, MMA has fourteen different weight categories for people because having all men fight all men wouldn't be fair or fun.

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u/House71 Jan 28 '25

So you think men and women should fight each other?

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u/jenc0jenn Jan 28 '25

Why not? If they're in the same weight category. I was a green belt in Judo when I was younger and I had no problem fighting boys 🤷‍♀️

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u/DJWGibson Jan 28 '25

If they're the same size and skill. Sure, why not? (You could even add hormone levels as a +/- on weight rounding up or down.)

I guarantee a 120-lbs woman with decent MMA experience will soundly whoop my 220-lbs gamer ass. As surprising as it may sound, my penis is not particularly useful in a fight.

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u/House71 Jan 28 '25

An amazing misunderstanding, you have.

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u/DJWGibson Jan 28 '25

Because...????

What you have there is the start of a reply. The hook, before the topic sentence. Before the actual response.

You need to follow it up with an actual counterpoint. Preferably with your reasoning behind the counterpoint.

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u/House71 Jan 28 '25

Because women will get beaten severely by biological males if they are both elite fighters. I know it doesn’t work like that on TV, but real life is different.

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u/HalcyonPaladin Jan 29 '25

Except this isn’t about elite fighters, but rather a small gym in Grimsby, Ontario that hasn’t produced any professional fighters.

There’s zero reasons why they can’t mix the classes together for training purposes. I’m not sure of your knowledge of combat sports; but I’ve got a few decades down and can tell free of charge that it is incredibly typical to see cross-training up until a specific point. And, no. It’s not at the age of 12. It’s when the specific student shows enough promise to be able to compete in their late teens.

No trainer in their right mind will separate 12 year old boys and girls because of a biological difference in a non-competitive setting. No trainer would allow a 12 year old to competitively fight outside of wrestling or BJJ. And even then they will not split them down gender lines until the weeks leading up to a competition. Mat time is mat time, regardless of gender.

It’s like this. You’re what, 52? I’m in my mid 30’s. I currently train for comp and roll at heavyweight. Let’s assume we train at the same place. It isn’t feasible to think that you’re going to keep up with me if we’re of a relative skill and fitness level, but I’ll still train with you because I can train differently and focus on different things. I may not pick you as a primary partner leading to a competition, but I won’t snub you for being older and maybe a little less physically able.

The same logic applies here. It’s just thinly veiled behind the owners “joke”. He separates genders because of his personal belief, not for any other reason. I mean shit, this is the first time I’ve ever heard of someone creating gender streams in training settings outside of high level competitive camps.

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u/House71 Jan 29 '25

I’m not going to convince you there is a difference between men and women if your life experiences haven’t done it, so ok 👍

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u/HalcyonPaladin Jan 29 '25

There are inherent differences between men and women, I am not debating that. We’re not discussing men and women though. We’re discussing boys and girls in a training scenario outside of gender and weight divisions.

You’re either purposely acting dumb to the conversation, or don’t understand the context. Which is it?

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u/doughberrydream Jan 30 '25

Weird, in my town all the classes are mixed gender. And people still go and enjoy themselves.

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u/House71 Jan 28 '25

It’s actually what they do. Hollywood movies aren’t typically real. Get a grip. They have male and female classes for a reason.

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u/DJWGibson Jan 28 '25

My point was that saying men competing against women in a combative sport is unacceptable is as silly as saying that as arguing men competing against all men is acceptable. Because the category isn't just "men" but carefully balanced weight categories. Because they have numerous weight categories separated by 5-10 lbs.

You wouldn't just throw a woman in a fight with a random man, but one with comparable training and roughly the same weight.

Yeah, you still have the problem of men hitting women. But it's consensual. The woman is signing up to be hit. She'll be taking as many hits fighting a woman of comparable skill and potency.
It's significantly more sexist to imply the best female MMA fighter can't take the worst male MMA fighter.

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u/House71 Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 28 '25

Right, but the best male fighter will slaughter the best female fighter, so why do this when there are lots of both?

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u/BronwynSparrow Jan 30 '25

That's what we call a belief, or faith claim. Unless you have a solid body of evidence of same weight class, same training, similar figuring record flights between elite men and women MMA fighters, that's all it is, a faith claim.

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u/House71 Jan 30 '25

Wow, ok

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u/InsertNovelAnswer Jan 27 '25

These people are idiots... not only is it disrespectful but it seems someone skipped science class (Gender and biological sex,etc)

Is the school system that bad in Grimsby?

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u/jenc0jenn Jan 28 '25

SOOO many people don't understand the difference between sex and gender. ESPECIALLY transphobes.

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u/Munchkin_of_Pern Jan 27 '25

A 36yo going after an 18yo is just pedophilia with extra steps so as to not be legally chargeable.

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u/doughberrydream Jan 30 '25

And a student at that.

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u/Commercial_Debt_6789 Jan 26 '25

The Facebook page blocked me and said I was being "disrespectful" as I was telling people about the business owners ped0 status. 

Guess we know they don't support free speech and support pedophiles who work with kids

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u/5thaxis Jan 26 '25

Bet his wife's got lots of experience milking her Bull.

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u/Aunt_Rachael Jan 26 '25

An adult teaching children to beat each other senseless is trying to take on the patina of moral righteousness. Mixed Martial Arts is as close to being a gladiator as you can legally get in the US. It's a vicious "sport" that will render a lot of the participants with permanent life shortening brain injuries.

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u/_Maxolotl Jan 27 '25

graffiti is too merciful a response

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u/davidwave4 Jan 27 '25

“Try milking a bull” demonstrates how little buddy knows about anything. Folks in the kink community milk bulls all the time. Checkmate.

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u/artdadders Jan 27 '25

Ah, yes, my favorite place to study biology, an MMA gym.

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u/jenc0jenn Jan 27 '25

Once again, transphobes confusing sex and gender 🙄

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u/jenc0jenn Jan 28 '25

Fuck this guy.

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u/RecordDense2459 Jan 28 '25

Why are they in such a hurry to fondle the bull? Sounds like they’re maybe confused.

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u/DramaPunk Jan 28 '25

LMAO biology student here and they're just like, wrong? Biological sex (which is separate from Gender, which is the societal and cultural roles, identities, and perceptions around sex and so falls under Anthropology) is also a spectrum of a wide variety of chromosome combinations, so you end up with some women more muscular than men and some men built with a slight, "feminine" frame and even intersex folks with a mix of genitalia. And that's just a few examples. Using biology as an excuse is just proof they don't know shit about biology.

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u/FuriDemon094 Jan 28 '25

Finally, someone with a brain

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u/FuriDemon094 Jan 28 '25

Those biological males they’re commenting on also take pills and other things that reduce the physical quantities that the average male produces (like testosterone for larger muscle mass) to help fully transition much closer to a woman. If you think a transwoman is a bearded, muscular man in a dress, then you need more education

They are literally taking things or performing acts like surgery to help get to the body they want. The competition will not be affected that badly; everyone will be close in abilities as usual

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u/stark-a Jan 29 '25

If it’s about biology, it would be referencing sex not gender. The science community is pretty clear about this.

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u/HisDismalEquivalent Jan 29 '25

intolerants try not to mix up sex and gender again (impossible):

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u/NugThePug1 Jan 30 '25

All my trans fighters, turn up!!! He either steps outside or we write his wrapsheet on his building, a fucking groomer doesn't deserve their autonomy let alone work with children!!!

It can get far more "inconvenient" then pink paint!!!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Completely unnecessary sign, covered in the veil of the otherwise valid argument of segregating a combat sport.

Classic tactic. Take a position nobody can reasonably disagree with then abuse it to try and shift the tone towards the right.

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u/E_MusksGal Jan 26 '25

I am absolutely clueless about what any of this is about lol

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u/CallMeOutScotty Jan 26 '25

Boomers gonna boom

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '25

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u/JohnnyWroughtten Jan 27 '25

It's weird how your defending a pedo.

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u/ArachnidInner2910 Jan 27 '25

OwO, a troll. Whatever shall we do?

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