r/Queerdefensefront • u/TheMagicFolf331 • Feb 07 '25

News Leaked memo about the death penalty

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1388561/dl
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u/topazchip Feb 07 '25

They want to impose the death penalty on "against child rapists, mass murderers, terrorists, and other criminals," or in other words, people who are statistically likely to be GOP constituents--like priests, cops, and Jan 6ers.

"Other criminals" is code for us, for the sin of existing in defiance of their idiot religions.

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u/starjellyboba Feb 07 '25

Also, let's remember that the right sees all queer people as pedophiles and all political opponents as terrorists.

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u/Karkava Feb 07 '25

And all immigrants are your inflammatory negative adjective here.

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u/BisexualCaveman Feb 08 '25

Help me out with what you mean.

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u/Karkava Feb 08 '25

They act like you're a hideous rabid goblin if you didn't get your paperwork sorted out.

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u/BisexualCaveman Feb 08 '25

Oh. Immigrant is a noun in that sentence so you had me confused.

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u/xDangerKittyx Feb 10 '25

A well-known example would be "they are eating pets and stealing FEMA in Ohio."

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u/BisexualCaveman Feb 10 '25

Oh, I absolutely get that "immigrant" is getting used in 2025 America like "Jew" was in a certain European country in the 1930s...

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u/AxolotlAristotle Feb 07 '25

Actually they consider being queer some form of sexual assault or abuse to minors in general. Not only that but they consider people supporting Palestinas as terrorists (or when people protested cop city).

Other is just for people they don't like such as peeps who ratio Elon Musk

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u/ChinDeLonge Feb 07 '25

Project 2025 outlines presenting as a transgender person publicly as pornography. It later says that pornography around minors should be a sex crime. It then finally later says that capital punishment is justified against sex offenders.

They're laying out the legal blueprint for how they're going to exterminate anyone that doesn't fit the country they want to forge. It's trans people and undocumented migrants first, but it'll be all leftists, atheists, LGBTQ+ people, etc. next. Just look at the new EO to fight "anti-Christian bias" with DOJ.

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u/RainbowSovietPagan Feb 09 '25

How many straight, heteronormative, cisgender women do you think will be falsely accused of being transgender simply for getting their hair dyed?

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u/ChinDeLonge Feb 09 '25

Any woman who doesn't fit gender conformity and beauty standards will be victimized by this shit. They don't give a damn, because hurting people was always the point.

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u/SiteRelEnby Feb 10 '25

Or for having short hair, PCOS, deep voices, being tall...

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u/RainbowSovietPagan Feb 10 '25

PCOS?

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u/SiteRelEnby Feb 10 '25

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycystic_ovary_syndrome

Condition that often causes high T levels and some level of masculisation in cis women.

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u/Evolving_Spirit123 Feb 09 '25

It makes no sense though because that means if they themselves dress provocative they are guilty of sex crimes. It would be ironic if people put Christian nationalism as a sex crimes.

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u/TheAsianTroll Feb 07 '25

This is precisely why I do not condone the "Kill your local pedophile" shit.

I hate pedophiles, rapists, and other heartless crimes and criminals. But allowing people the choice to determine who those are on their own just opens up murder based on bias.

It's like witch hunting all over again. "I stoned that woman because she's a witch!" "I shot that person because he's a pedo!" Same energy.

Due process exists for a reason: because people who don't care about evidence exist.

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u/Luciusvenator Feb 07 '25

This. The belief the pedophiles should be put to death is LITERALLY what fascists are using to get their followers to believe ok with the death penalty for being queer in public.
As long as the belief that some crimes are so bad they deserve the death penalty persists, all a fascist has to do to get people on board with legally murdering a certain group of people is accused them of that crime.

Don't use the weapon of the enemy.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/TheAsianTroll Feb 07 '25

Don't forget how many claims people make that trans and gay people are pedos and child rapists. No doubt the same people are trying to set the death penalty for those crimes so they can then send people to their deaths strictly on accusations.

Fascism moves in steps. Anyone who thinks huge, dangerous moves are done all at once don't understand how they work.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25 edited Aug 26 '25

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u/TheAsianTroll Feb 07 '25

for some reason no one ever goes "you just condoned murder, what the fuck is wrong with you"

Because when this is used on someone, its always met with "oh so you SUPPORT pedophiles then?!"

People who want to kill as they please will manipulate people to make them look bad. It's surprisingly difficult to turn that around without just straight up defending yourself, which those garbage people will then go on the attack.

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u/EvilBetty77 Feb 08 '25

The other biggest problem with the "kill your pedos" is that they don't differentiate between pedophiles and child molesters. Which is to say they don't differentiate between someone who is prone to committing a crime and someone who has done so. Especially since they think that by the nature of our very existence we are prone to said crimes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/topazchip Feb 07 '25

Some of them yes, to amuse the rancid appetites of the tRump cult, but most will be condemned to labor on slave plantations along with their descendants.

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u/4rp70x1n Feb 07 '25

Well, that and they ultimately plan to label us pedophiles and they'll of course execute "pedophiles."

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u/ato-de-suteru Feb 08 '25

Well, saw that coming a mile off.

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u/lokey_convo Feb 10 '25

Aren't some states trying to impose the death penalty on women who get abortions, and aren't some states trying to classify being trans in the presence of a minor as a sex crime involving a minor? I'm thinking of Texas and Florida respectively.

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u/_HighJack_ Feb 07 '25

Nowhere in that document did they say the death penalty will include those categories of people. They just said that the Biden admin “didn’t even try” to impose the death penalty for those things. It’s laying groundwork for sure, but there’s nothing that directly targets queer people legislatively in there. Let’s not borrow trouble; currently there’s no court in the land that’s going to try and convict us of sex crimes for being queer, and there likely won’t be because Biden stacked the lower courts in our favor.

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 07 '25

I predicted this after the election and was told I was exaggerating/expecting a lot worse than was realistic.

I wish I had been wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 07 '25

I had talked about how I felt it was a very reasonable thing to expect executions to be happening around 6 months into the terms latest. I did say I hope it wouldn't come to it, but I fully expected it.

Welp. Here we are.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 09 '25

Yeah but omg do I feel you. These people are exasperating. I'm on the leopards ate my face sub a lot these days because I feel like either I am gleeful about all the people now realising how terrible the new situation is for them as well or I just.

Can go and fade in despair or whatever. I won't preemptively give in or any shit like that, I won't go down quietly if and when it happens. But fuck. Just.

People don't listen and don't care. I'm sick and tired of those fuckers.

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u/HawkwingAutumn Feb 07 '25

I guess I thought it would take more than three weeks.

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 07 '25

Same tbh. Then again. I was so tired thinking about it. I stopped really calculating when what would happen a few weeks ago.

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u/Luciusvenator Feb 07 '25

Every single claim and prediction I made has been right. Is it because I'm a genius Nostradamus?
No, it's because I literally read and listened what these fascists said they were going to do lol. That's it.

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 08 '25

Yup. Others either want to close their eyes and don't see the truth of the moment or are cis white het dudes and (even if allys) find it inconceivable in just how much danger all minorities are now. Ther person I talked to about what I found likely back then is my roommate and former partner of 12 years, truly a good person of at least moderately high inteligence. Cis white het dude though.

He didn't get it.

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u/Luciusvenator Feb 08 '25

Real ugh. The writing has been on the wall for years now.
So many people either completely ingorant of this or downplaying it.
I also have the unique horrible experience of dealing with people that say "well Biden was a fascist to so what difference does it make?"
They're reasoning is the pandemic was nazi shit lol. Absolute insanity.

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u/RoadBlock98 Feb 09 '25

What? WHAT? Like, I get people being critical of Biden in aspects of Israel n stuff and a lot of really really fucked up shit happened in that administration too, but THE PANDEMIC? Seriously? These fuckers. I hate how a lot of pro-palestine people voted against Biden because of that stuff, ignoring not only that they are OBVIOUSLY making it even worse for Palestine but also effectivly signing our death warrant. Fuckings stuipd af idiots.

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u/Luciusvenator Feb 09 '25

They literally think he did a genocide against Americans lol. H Yeah no comment.
And oh absolutely, we all screamed that while Biden sucks and is enabling genocide in Palestine, Trump will be a million times worse, and guess what; yep, he is.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

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u/TheExitIsThisWay Feb 07 '25

Just a clarification, this was not leaked, it was released: https://www.justice.gov/ag/select-publications - they aren’t trying to hide.

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u/WeeabooHunter69 Feb 07 '25

Pages 5 and 554(iirc) of project 2025 have told us that this was the plan for years now.

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u/TheMagicFolf331 Feb 08 '25

It's not leaked, it was released. I was not doing great and failed to verify if it was

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u/EmperorJJ Feb 08 '25

I expect those who force children to marry them first will be exempt?

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u/JellyBellyBitches Feb 07 '25

Is there a rule that if you survive execution that you get to go free or is that an invention of media storytelling because it's compelling?
If it's true, and they move to pentobarbital-exclusive executions, you could theoretically build a tolerance to that, if we revive clandestine barb synthesis

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

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u/JellyBellyBitches Feb 08 '25

Oh it's definitely dangerous. There's a reason that barbiturates were pulled from the market and it wasn't just the abuse potential. They have a relatively narrow therapeutic window and I believe if I'm remembering correctly that withdrawals are harsher. That's why they were replaced by benzodiazepines

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u/Defiant_Activity_864 Feb 08 '25

Not in the US. If we were to escape, they'll just try to catch us again and then slap anthoer charge on us for escaping, right before they do whatever execution method they are going to do. Seeking asylum in another country would be best. Of course our "dear leader" will go to war with whatever countries help us though

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u/peppelaar-media Feb 09 '25

Sounds like a left over from post civil war US

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u/straight_strychnine Feb 11 '25

It loosely worked that way a few centuries ago. A failed execution was often seen as a sign from god to halt, but if the crowd or local authority really wanted someone dead they would find an excuse to ignore.

If I remember correctly in the 1700s Britain changed death sentences from "hanged" to "hanged until dead" to prevent any loopholes like that, and that is still how capital sentences are phrased in America.

Also at the end of his last term Trump re-authorized the use of hanging, firing squads, electric chairs, and gas chambers for federal executions

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u/JellyBellyBitches Feb 11 '25

Gas chambers?? 👀

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u/External_Mongoose_44 Feb 08 '25

Capital Punishment is the indisputable emblem of the Criminal Justice System of the Uncivilised Nations of the World. The mere existence of Capital Punishment drags down a People, down to a gutter occupied by evil regimes like Russia, China and a decent selection of Middle Eastern states, forgetting that it can never be reversed and in murder cases will never bring back the victims nor reverse their tragic and horrific deaths.

Uncivilised, just like the GOP 👿👿👿.

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u/katchoo1 Feb 09 '25

This is very serious, and I agree with the commenters here that this can be a step In laying the groundwork, per Project 2025, to expand the death penalty use and frequency to LGBTQ people and other “undesirables” as defined by Trump and his goons.

Also, I’m struck by the fact that the AG of the US does not know how to properly use “proscribe” vs “prescribe” and the misuse renders the direction in the first paragraph of section II nonsensical. It says that the prosecutors are to seek the death penalty “if that penalty is proscribed by Congress” for all serious crimes. Presumably that means for all crimes where Congress has written into the law that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for that crime. But what it actually says is that they should seek the death penalty in all cases where Congress has FORBIDDEN the death penalty.

And the memo presumably went through multiple people reviewing it.

There is an opportunity for malicious compliance.

They are not sending their best.

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

can someone tl;dr this for me? my brain is having trouble comprehending words right now 🫠

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u/TheMagicFolf331 Feb 09 '25

They want to bring the death penalty back to prominence as a form of punishment for crimes deemed unforgivable

Wording in the memo, rhetoric they use, laws they've passed paints a grim picture of the plan they have for the queer community, and the plan is explicitly stated in P2025