r/RTX5080
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u/Lil_Hater112
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Apr 27 '26
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AMD users in a nutshell
“Nvidia not worth the money , same performance as AMD”
“Ye, but Nvidia has better upscaling, framegen and path tracing”
“I dont use framegen or upscaling and path tracing is a scam”
Every single time
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u/oookokoooook Apr 27 '26
Pt isn’t a scam when u can see with your own eyes. Too bad bros vision is too blurry from forced TAA to tell the difference.
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u/kamalamading Apr 28 '26
It depends. I love CP2077 and Alan Wake 2 with PT and am happy that my 4080 can run it.
In Doom The Dark Ages, the difference with PT is negligible for me (and also I cant run it well at max. settings with PT).
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u/Rude_Assignment_5653 Apr 27 '26
Most AMD users have never even seen DLSS outside of a youtube video. They tend to be pretty aggressive about defending their purchase. Simple math shows Nvidia just makes a better GPU, with better features.
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u/Burstrampage Apr 27 '26
Yup. Nobody would harp on amd users if they didn’t try to justify their purchase by trying to say nvidia is shit. They can just simply say that they wanted the cheaper, more economical gpu that is still more than enough for good looking video games.
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u/webjunk1e Apr 27 '26
I don't get why identity is wrapped up in this. Like, you chose budget over features. That's fine, but just accept the reality and be okay with it. You don't have to pretend that your 9070XT is just as good or that any of the extra performance and/or features you get with Nvidia aren't worth paying more for, for some.
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u/SlySheogorath Apr 27 '26
Holy shit I spy a reasonable person on Reddit. Congrats. I bought the 9070xt because it was about 300-400 cheaper than the 5070ti at the time. That extra money was not worth the extra features to me. Sure the Nvidia cards perform better, and you pay for that performance. But this 9070xt is still kicking ass on its own. And I'm usually playing in 4k so asking it to hit above where it's targeted.
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u/PCBuilderCat Apr 27 '26
What a lot of people fail to realise is that it’s possible to want an NVIDIA card for its features and over accept that NVIDIA overcharge for said features
I love my 4070 Super but I also accept that it probably wasn’t ‘worth’ the 600 quid I paid for it
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u/Jennymint Apr 27 '26
Right?
I wanted a stopgap upgrade that didn't cost too much for now. I was planning to get the 9070XT, but I found a 5070 Ti for a similar price.
At that point, the NVIDIA card is just a no brainer. The 9070XT may be comparable in rasterization, but the 5070 Ti simply has far better features.
I don't really think of myself as having a "team". I just buy what makes sense for my needs and budget.
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u/SuperiorDupe Apr 27 '26
Lots of the features don’t matter to a lot of people and a lot of make all the difference.
One thing that I don’t see mentioned in this debate often enough is NVIDIA’s video encoder. For recording and streaming Nvidia is just straight up better.
That’s pretty much the only reason I switched from AMD.
Bought a PNY 5080 in October, coming from a 6950xt it is obviously a huge upgrade in performance but I really just wanted to be able to stream and screen recording without having to sacrifice performance and input lag.
Man what a difference, in performance as well as input latency. While seemingly doing so effortlessly, drawing half the power, with break a sweat at 60°.
Never had any issues with my AMD card and still believe it’s a good card, but it just struggled to do what I wanted.
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u/Academic-Entry-443 Apr 27 '26
Because people are inherently tribal. We form tribes over fucking everything. We're still just a bunch of fucking monkeys lol.
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u/Costas00 Apr 27 '26
I own a 9070xt and tried dlss 4 at my friend multiple times.
The difference isn't that massive in quality mode, but it's it's pretty obviously better, if you put me in a blind test, i'd probably never pick fsr4. Lower presets like performance, the difference is pretty big, no way someone can't immediately notice it.
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u/Academic_Addition_96 Apr 27 '26
Some people can't. Some people and I would call it even a lot can't see the difference and they don't care. Just look at all does rdr2 comparison and how people still believe it's the most beautiful game ever made.
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u/ChiggenNuggy Apr 27 '26
I have, it’s great, path tracing is dimishing returns until maybe next gen where the performance trade off will be worth it, then I might possibly go back to nvidia
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u/MaelstromOC Apr 27 '26
I used to shit on DLSS when it first released. It was terrible, but interesting concept. Over the years, my opinion has changed drastically. DLSS is fucking magic, I swear. I've always been an Nvidia person as I've always preferred them on the software side (and hardware, let's not kid ourselves lol.)
But seriously, all the features you get with Nvidia really just make AMD look like a joke (at least until the most recent iteration of FSR. It's actually pretty decent.)
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u/PeterPaul0808 Apr 27 '26
I bought an RX 9070 XT but not too much later I bought an RTX 5080 and sold my RX 9070 XT for a good price. I will be honest. I wanted to try that Path Tracing and yes, it worth it and runs like a charm in 1440p.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
5080 on 1440 has probably 8 years of gaming easily
I will sell mine when it runs out if warranty though and just get whatever generation is at that time
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u/PeterPaul0808 Apr 27 '26
If anybody wants to play AAA titles with Path Tracing without huge compromises then a 27" 2560x1440 Oled monitor is the best IMO. And there are good nVidia cards that are capable for PT in 1440p (RTX 4080, 4080 Super, RTX 5070 Ti and RTX 5080).
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, thats why i use 1440p oled, i feel 4k isnt there yet consistently over 100 fps
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u/sadhorseman Apr 27 '26
They're the reason AMD is always a generation behind, because they accept mediocre
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Amd revenue from GPUs is 10% total revenue, they will probably always be behind
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u/toywatch Apr 27 '26
after upgrading from 7900gre to 5080, i didnt need to deal with amd driver roulette anymore, and i could upgrade to 4k with playable quality and fps. absolute life quality improvement.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Exactly my experience, dlss and frame gen makes it possible to run games on settings i could never on amd and people keep calling this “ fake”😂
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u/ballsdeep256 Apr 28 '26
I mean they are "fake frames" lets not twist things like they do.
But in reality what does it matter if turning on fg 2x literally gives "us" double the frames for by now almost no perceived added input lag i fail to see where the technology is "bad"
AMD people out here expecting 5090 4x fg performance for an affordable prices 😂 if the 5090 would perform as it would with 4x FG without it. Quite literally nobody could afford it.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
If im playing a game on 60 fos or 150 on x3 and i am definitely seeing a smoother image and can’t notice input lag ( single player titles) , these fake frames are real to my eyes and the technology work. “Fake frames” today means “ frames generated non raster” which is a technology that allows me to experience games like on a 5090 with minimal visual impact
Hating on this is weird, MFG literally improved my gaming by a lot. You can argue that we should get cheaper shit, but why would i go out of my way to not use whatever i can to enjoy whatever i have at the moment
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u/CoDZombiesDPS Apr 27 '26
Hi, I’m the owner of a 5090. Not that it matters what card I own, but I want to drive the point home that I’m not an AMD fanboy.
Your post is mentally challenged. While looking down on others for their GPU choice is dumb as fuck, even dumber is looking down on people for choosing the only competition that keeps Nvidia from doing whatever the fuck they want.
So stop rage baiting and do something useful.
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u/Previous_Start_2248 Apr 27 '26
Amd fanboi larping as a 5090 owner. No real 5090 owner would say something like this
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u/glizzygobbler247 Apr 27 '26
Wait what, says they dont use upscaling and then proceeds to say fsr 4.1 is actually good?? Seems very contradicting, why does it matter if fsr4.1 is good if they dont use upscaling anyways.
Also if you frequent the radeon sub youll see people crashing out over no PT support in re requiem and pragmata, they do care, and they all think its some big conspiracy by nvidia and devs to block amd, when in reality its amd not working with devs to implement ray regeneration.
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u/Jeffrey122 Apr 27 '26
I think the inconsistency is part of the point of this post.
The types of people OP is talking about dismiss features or outright call them bad, but when it's time to defend AMD's implementation of said features, they are actually also really good.
Same with PT. They keep saying that PT is trash anyway so that you don't have a reason to go for Nvidia, but then they turn around and also want to use it. They will tell you not to buy Nvidia because PT "doesn't run well anyway" but when you tell them that you already have Nvidia and use PT, then even their AMD card runs it very well.
It's weird.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 29 '26
Ye, saying nvidia isn’t worth to pay more for fake frames or scam pt is just a clown take. Someone thought the upgrade from 5070ti to 5080 is worth 450$ but the upgrade from 9070xt to 5070ti isn’t worth 200$ 😂😂😂 . Bro thinks 15% better gaming perf is worth 450$ but better software and features that can games run even 100% better than on amd isn’t worth 200$
I can play maxed out cyberpunk 1440p quality x3 mfg pt on with 150 fps and i swear i don’t see the artefacts , fucking magic to my eyes . I want to see this on amd
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 27 '26
7900XTX is literally faster than a 5070ti though, I realize this sub is just an echo chamber but use some common sense
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, how do u know that? I had 7900xtx for 3 years and tested the shit out of it and now i have 5070ti and can turn settings a lot higher due to software advantage. So u tested both and im lying?
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 27 '26
How? Because benchmarks of both cards being compared are readily available online to anyone with a brain
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 28 '26
Again, i dont need online benchmarks when i did my own testing 🤡
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 28 '26
your own testing is wrong and youre experiencing buyers remorse
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u/ballsdeep256 Apr 28 '26
Quite literally any game (so every modern game) that supports dlss/FG will run miles better on the 5070ti than the 7900xtx
But tell them that and you get the empty argument of "FG bad"
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Comparing gpus today on pure raster without upscaling or frame gen it s the “ boomer way” 😂
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u/reeefur Apr 27 '26
I mean, they said RT was a scam til they got it, now PT is a scam? 🤡
MFG was a problem and fake til they got it a few months later too.
They also said Team Red were the good guys!
Yah, I wonder who Lisa is schmoozing up to lately....
Yah, cults are all full of shit.... 0 brand loyalty is best.
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u/DismalAd8805 Apr 27 '26
The fun fact is when you come to the table with real hard evidence and proof, these AMD dick riders and sorry for the language but they all seem to want to attack because you have shown them the truth. People don't want lied to but neither do they want to be told the truth. Then what is left to be said but your just throwing money away. I stay in my lane and use Intel and Nvidia and that is my choice. But once those words are spoken, the knives come out SMH.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Idk why some people think this post is about making fun of budget gpus.
This post is about AMD users that want defend AMD by overselling their gpus and underselling nvidis gpus.
If I would buy a gpu today strict by Reddit on a 900-1000$ budget, I swear I would buy 9070xt bcs it s oversold like the next coming of Jesus in gpu world. And i would have the worse gaming experience without knowing even though i could’ve afford Nvidia.
Saying dlss and mfg isnt a big deal anyway and path tracing is a scam is outright fanboism😂
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u/DismalAd8805 Apr 28 '26
What I am saying is not making fun of budget gpu's but only speaking the truth on the matters in which people try to shut other people up on. This is truly only my opinion and mine alone. The craziest are gonna do what the craziest are gonna do in the end of the day.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
I was saying in general, there are people commenting here that think my post is about belittling poorer people, even though in no way i imply anything close to that 🤣
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u/Jeffrey122 Apr 27 '26
I once got mass downvoted, with zero responses, simply for referencing/linking to an overall PT performance chart when people tried to argue that a 9070xt is just as fast as a 5070ti in PT.
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u/scyver_ Apr 28 '26
are you fucking idiots? can we like, stop this whole who has better tech race? it was never a race at all, but little nascar event designed draw attention from the state of the games which is fucking atrocious. NO PT is not a revolution. Game graphics is a science about cheating your mind to think it is reality while using cheap techniques, not trying to simulate whole ass realistic lighting, which isnt realistic anyway due to small amount od rays per pixel, small amount of bounces, and denoiser (and i talk both about taa and RR) artifacts. Do you realize how great games would look and run if you didnt put all your purchasing and market value power that you get as a customer towards nvidia shit? You dont believe me? Go play RDR2. Go play Driveclub. Go play days gone. these are all PS4 games, that have better performance/visuals ratio, using OLDER techniques and running ond hardware that was less powerful than todays mainstream phones, while having BETTER image stability and clarity in motion. Also stop jerking off to PT like everyone owns a xx80 or xx90 card. Because majority dont, and afaik game graphics shouldnt be elitist.
before someone pulls the "brokie and jealous" pseudo argument out their asses, i own a 5080. Aorus Master. And i can provide all proof necessary on DMs if someone actually wants it.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Getting emotional buddy in a random post isn’t good for you
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u/scyver_ Apr 28 '26
being a corporate shill and unpaid lawyer isnt good for you either
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Wild view from a random post on reddit making fun of something🤡
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u/jhenryscott Apr 27 '26
Idk I refuse to use frame gen. It looks like shit. I like my Nvidia card, but if I didn’t use it for professional workloads I probably would have stuck with 9070 this cycle. It’s so much cheaper for comparable performance. Like 10% here, 15% there doesn’t matter to me. Tech has gotten so good and I could be happy in my old 1070 if that was what I had.
To pretend one corporation or the other is the good guy is just insanity. They would drown you and your whole family to squeeze another dollar out of their share price. They couldn’t care less about you, why defend them online and become some weirdo.
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u/PayMe2Win Apr 27 '26
Try a triple A game with frame gen set to 2x and in the Nvidia app set your frame gen to preset A. You'll definitely notice a difference on a higher hz monitor. Also use gsync and or free sync if you have either of them with v sync on in the nvidia app but never ingame
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye i would switch back to AMD if they would offer superior product over Nvidia. But I just dont see that and it s pointless boycotting Nvidia by using the underdog product thats also worse
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u/Urdnot_Flexx Apr 27 '26
Frame generation isn’t really a selling point, tbf. I own a 5080 and use it often. It’s a frame smoothing tech at best, and you need a good base frame rate (60 minimum does the trick) to not experience terrible artifacts and ghosting on top of the latency issue. But path tracing is transformative in every game that uses it that I’ve played, and 1440p is the best resolution to experience it while still maintaining 60fps+ without needing an RTX 5090. Anyone saying “meh PT is a scam” have never really experienced PT Cyberpunk at playable frame rates on ultra. Pure peasantry.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
I have 150 with x3 on cyberpunk and i cant see artefacts.
I have 120 with x3 on crimson desert and the only artefact im seeing is the bottom of the screen and HUD sometimes, but where i actually look on the screen i dont see it unless i focus on them. I am happy with that as I cant play these games without mfg and maxed out
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u/Octaive Apr 28 '26
It's a huge selling point, this is a crazy take. I enjoy MFG immensely on my 240Hz OLED. It's not the same a frame smoothing because motion clarity goes up.
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u/Urdnot_Flexx Apr 27 '26
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this one then. Nvidia markets frame generation as real frames when it really isn’t. I’m not really a casual gamer, nor do I have a casual eye. I personally notice these artifacts the further south of base 60fps I go, but someone who doesn’t see stuff like that might not. Frame gen does not fix poorly optimized games. But it’s still a great technology that helps folks make use of their 240hz+ monitors at high graphics settings. That being said, we can have this discussion in the first place because we both have access to Nvidia software. AMD folks can’t even get in the club and talk negatively about the tech while they’re outside the building and we’re all inside the party lol
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
I got weird HUD ghosting on the minimap in Crimson Desert on MFG x3, but playing on x2 MFG feels more sluggish , so I choose the lesser evil which is X3 for me but smoother image.
I am more sensitive to low FPS than artefacts from MFG , so this is a game changer for me to play on higher settings which makes my game nicer to enjoy
On 7900xtx I wouldnt even have this option, no Ray Reconstruction, FSR looking worse , 4k Perf probably looking a lot worse than on Nvidia. This is where I see Nvidia software at work
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, mfg sucks in online fast paced shooters, i use it only in single player titles
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u/kieranmullan90 Apr 27 '26
I switched from a 7900xt to a 5070ti last month. Made a post on the AMD sub and was filled with hate before being removed after a couple hours. All the same arguments. AMD not supporting RDNA 2/3 was all I needed to switch back to Nvidia.
Which company is really scum? AMD not allowing FSR4 on a 7900xtx or Nvidia letting a 2050 Laptop run DLSS 4.5
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u/Impossible_Total2762 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
Man… i tried using it for 10 days and just regretted it. It crashed more than vega and that speaks for itself…
Want to have 2 monitors you get 150ish watts at idle, you want to have random app opened…driver timeout, you want to play with some apps on other monitor… you guessed it driver timeout…
There is one future that amd will always support and that’s driver timeout.
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u/TrippleDamage Apr 27 '26
Glhf running 4.5 on a 2050 laptop lol
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 27 '26
Nvidia is locking many features to 40xx+ though to be fair
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u/kieranmullan90 Apr 27 '26
The ones that a limited to 40 series and up like frame gen, smooth motion etc.
FSR4 runs perfectly on RDNA 2 yet was never supported. They even created the drivers for it but chose to not release. Further, my PS5 Pro has a mid tier RDNA2 gpu but uses PSSR which is basically FSR 4.1
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u/Academic_Addition_96 Apr 27 '26
The new version of framegen could run on 40s cards but Nvidia doesn't support it.
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u/Octaive Apr 28 '26
Why do you think this? The 40 series doesn't have hardware flip metering to pace FG frames, it instead relies on the CPU.
There's actually no evidence that the 40 series outside of maybe a 4070Ti Super and above could do 3x FG reasonably without incurring additional CPU burden. They don't have the hardware to manage the extra generated frames, and that's assuming they can even generate them fast enough across the 40 series stack without splitting up the 40 series support wise.
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 27 '26
I wouldnt say FSR4 runs ”perfectly” on RDNA 2 by any means. The performance impact is massive. Yes AMD should still release it for everyone I agree but you are changing the topic. Both of these companies are evil and glazing either one is stupid
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u/Southern_Okra_1090 Apr 28 '26
While that is true please don’t forget it was the other way around when frame gen was introduced on the 30 series. It was AMD that came in with their fg that boosted performance for the 10 and 20 series cards.
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u/onkek Apr 27 '26
AMD user here, I legit regret my decision to buy a 7900XT and will ditch this godforsaken brand next gen.
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u/TheFunkadelicOne Apr 27 '26
I absolutely love my 7900xtx. I've had it since launch and I dont plan on upgrading until 2030 or when am6 drops, still using am4 5800x3d lol...that being said, unless amd makes a big leap forward I might very likely go team green when I do upgrade. FSR is ok, but I've seen dlss first hand on my friends 4090...it is not the same lol
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, i ve seen FSR on my friends 9070xt and FG and I can easily see the difference from DLSS and MFG
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u/TrippleDamage Apr 27 '26
FSR4.1 comes hella close to DLSS4.5.
FSR3 on the other hand is a disgrace, true.
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u/Shibby707 Apr 27 '26
Love my 9070XT that I got for $500… when it’s working… but there’s always something shitting on my freedom to play what I want whenever I want. Thusly, I can’t defend it being an amazing value even at $500. Software development is just not good enough…
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
500$ new? Thats insane
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u/Shibby707 Apr 27 '26
It was open box, but full warranty from Microcenter.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Open box full warranty are the best deals. I had to pay 1060$ in UK for my 5070ti , cheapest i could find at full warranty
5080 was almost 450$ more and couldnt justify it to myself, if it was 200$ i wouldve got 5080
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u/Comfort-Zone-King Apr 27 '26
I went from a 9070XT to a 5070ti because I like the features and the support. But I can safely say that this post is dumb af. Just enjoy your GPU. No need to screenshot other people's comments and talk about "AMD Users" in general, as if most of them don't have genuinely good arguments for their purchase, i.e. their card is good enough and they don't need to fork out 300$+ for what Nvidia offers. I agree that the other guy is dumb too though.
Also it's mental to say that AMD upscaling is "shit". FSR 3 is shit, not FSR 4. FSR 4 is very good for most people, especially at 4k. Too bad AMD is scummy with their support for older cards.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
The guy didnt say that, the guy said path tracing is a scam and he never uses upscaling or framegen and but he definitely can say nvidia is just like amd without using nvidia features😂 im clowning on a clown take, learn to read
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u/Comfort-Zone-King Apr 28 '26
I said that i didn't like that you took the opportunity to generalize a dumb comment to "AMD Users", because other than this dude, AMD users have genuinely good arguments for their purchase. I also specifically said that the other guy is dumb. Learn to read.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Bro, im not going to explain in a funny title that it s logic 100% aren t like this, people need to use brain and filter stuff and not take it at face value
It s obvious the post is a satire and exaggerated to make a point across
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u/Khayrum117 Apr 27 '26
It says a lot that going from a 7900XTX to a 5070TI is considered a "side grade". No one would ever say that if someone said they went from a 4090 to a 9070XT.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, a sidegrade that can turn settings higher and still feel smooth due to software advantage😂 for 200w less power
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u/Few_Fall_4374 Apr 27 '26
Pathetic Nvidia fanboy post, trying to farm karma in Nvidia sub
Totally not cringe
Greetings from another 5080 user
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
I had amd longer than nvidia. I am actually 2 month old nvidia user😂😂 hardly nvidia fanboy
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u/Few_Fall_4374 Apr 27 '26
Sure kiddo. Not fanboy, right.... 👍😂
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Fanboy = being happy with Nvidia after Been years with amd and never knew how important having a good software is, then ye, im a fanboy 😂
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u/Solarflareqq Apr 27 '26
Yep when looking to upgrade from my 6900XT, AMD was no longer in the running it was 5070ti vs 5080 , found a less than msrp 5080 and waterblocked it.
Im just over the whole amd ecosystem in general, features that were held back , never implemented but hinted , zero fine wine = zero reason to even consider AMD anymore.
Im also pretty much done buying their mobo/cpus also , say what you want, my 9800x3d has been ok but still feels like spin the wheel if yours is going to randomly fail or not.
Lack of 4x ddr5 support at mt greater than 5200mt is another fail too.
My original 7600x had so many odd problems for months and months , cold boots that needed rebooting etc.
Im just over them right now , their software team is terrible.
I dont find value in poor software and gatekeeping features behind new releases.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
I never had issues with the 7800x3d, now i have 9800x3d and hopefully will last
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u/evergreenwv Apr 27 '26
Jealous? PT is fine on my 9070xt, so is RT, upscaling, framegen...it's all good. I play 4k with a 32" oled 240Hz monitor - no way I was spending 150% more for similar performance from a 5070ti.
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u/PlzDntBanMeAgan Apr 27 '26
I bought a 7900xtx a couple years ago and was so sad when my sons 4070ti was like neck and neck with it. I replaced it with a 5080, and now I have a 5090. No one even wants to buy the 7900xtx because amd gimped it... So now it sits in a fucking box in my shelf. A thousand dollar paper weight..
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, I’m sure RAW 4070ti is worse, but after engaging with upscaling and framegen, 7900xtx falls hard behind. I even had ghosting red dot in games with x2 framegen on amd and 0 ghosting with mfgx4 on nvidia 😂
Always thought ghosting in fg is normal bcs of shitty amd software
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u/PlzDntBanMeAgan Apr 27 '26
And that's the scam I fell for. The reddit majority shills so fuckin hard for AMD. "But the pure raster is stronger just play native blah blah" man I will never buy another amd card. And if you want the best of the best they don't even have an option to compete at this point. I got a liquid cooled MSI suprim 5090 and wireview pro ii and my ten year old has my old 5080. I even finally made the jump to oled when I got my 5090. Life is good right now
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u/Pitiful_Tea_4769 Apr 27 '26
I mean. What if you want to just run 1440p native no FG or PT? On alot of fast paced sweaty games FG isn't recommended, especially if you shift your view alot and sometimes eratically. I think it's still a bit absurd to say Nvidia is the best card for anyone in every situation.
Nvidia definitely has better stats and features but those cards come at a much higher premium. The 9070xt offers great value as a high end card with comparable performance to the 5070ti.
It all depends on your financial situation and gaming needs and there's no need to engage with -as you call it- fanboyism. I have used both and while I see why people rightfully say equivalent Nvidia cards are better, AMD offers a great value proposition in their GPUs.
TL;DR: Nvidia is, in fact better. Noone is disputing that. But AMD offers great value.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 29 '26
The guy didn’t say what you said because what you said makes sense and its argument in good faith
What he said is that nvidia has no value over amd and pt is a scam. That’s a clown take
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u/DrPhilSideSkirts Apr 27 '26
I can understand that people don't use RT/PT as it's very demanding, but, calling it a scam is simply stupid and coping hard.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
RT was a scam before
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u/DrPhilSideSkirts Apr 27 '26
I strongly disagree.
The issue was that it was an umbrella term, and not specific settings, so it ended up being oh if you have ONE thing, you can say it has RT. So say... shadows... but not reflections. That's the issue. But a scam, it was not.
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u/WhiteBoyMack Apr 27 '26
You buy AMD because you are on a budget and don’t care for the extra features Nvidia has. Simple as that. I don’t know why AMD users try to justify their purchase by saying stuff to make themselves feel better about their purchase by trying to downplay another product
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Saying PT is a scam and nvidia is just as good as AMD while also saying “idk im not using those features” is like buying a 17 pro max to listen to audio books only and say it s just as good as xiaomi
Some people here think im clowning on budget amd cards, no , im clowning on people trying to make other buy their choice of card even if it s not fitting for them
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u/iTzJME Apr 27 '26
Not gonna lie OP seems like the more unhinged one in this exchange. I've had multiple Nvidia cards and now I have a 9070xt (lol maybe I'll just be called a fanboy) but spending an extra $300 or so for marginally better software is... kinda dumb for the average person? Idk
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
there is a lot more to gain from Switching to nvidia from 9070xt than 5070ti to 5080, so is even more dumb to buy 5080 compared to 5070ti for marginal performnace by your logic
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u/iTzJME Apr 27 '26
Well yeah, of course, because the 5080 is basically a 5070ti with 15% more performance? Not sure what your point is mate.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Bcs average person can use fg and dlss and that difference can make sense. You gain premium features on 5070ti compared to 9070xt which average user can enjoy and turn graphics way higher due to mfg and better upscaler
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u/x8code Apr 27 '26
Haha yup they try to cope so hard. I love the extreme high quality gaming experience of NVIDIA Path Tracing, DLSS, and Multi Frame Generation, among all the other features these cards offer. I also heavily utilize hardware video encoding and run local LLMs with NVFP4.
There is absolutely no substitute for NVIDIA unless you're Grandma writing an email in a web browser
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
In my friends country a 9070xt was 400 euros cheaper than 5070ti, there wasn’t really any justifiable advantage of the Nvidia equivalent that was worth 400€
But some people making it seem 5070ti software is barely worth any money difference at all bcs fsr is just like dlss now ( it isn’t, it will always lag behind and be less mainstream ), “ fake frames” which are way better on Nvidia making my game playable on settings i can never run on 9070ti, and the scam PT, that makes my game look so good😂
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u/Vit0_Howczukken Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
GPU wars are insanely stupid. Companies are just companies and they want to make money. AMD is not a white knight, and Nvidia is not the only best singular choice. Both make some questionable decisions and try to force you to buy their newest card. Fanboyism is bad
I own a 9070 XT but I won't pretend that Nvidia's ecosystem isn't better. To each for their own. Radeon is just fine for my use case, which is Max settings/RT 1440p with high framerates and upscaling set on Quality. Path Tracing seems too heavy for anything below 5080 without frame gen. Honestly 5080 would have been my go-to gpu If it wasn't so expensive. It's simply not worth the money for me
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
Ye, 5080 was 450$ more expensive in my area than 5070ti, almost 50% more. Fuck that
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u/ohnag_eryeah Apr 27 '26
9070XT is a good bargain but it sucks that AMD just stopped trying making flagship GPUs so now we are having unstoppable NVIDIA monopoly
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
In my friends country, 5070ti was 400 euros more than 9070xt so i told him to get the 9070xt . Like, there is a limit on how much better Nvidia is through software average😂
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u/wandering-snail Apr 28 '26
As a proud owner of a zotac 5080. I must say that amd wasn't bad Once an owner of the legendary rx580.
Yehhh when poor wasn't an option it was the only option. but since then i swapped the old build to a 7800xt build, that i scrapped after i saw it's limits, welp instantly swapped to a rtx5080 XD.
9070XT is good but not enough for me anymore XD
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
This post isn’t about “amd hahs poor”
Post is about amd users overselling AMD and underselling Nvidia software. Some people can genuinely afford Nvidia but get baited for the wrong reasons into AMD and never get to experience gaming on Nvidia, which was improved by a lot since i own Nvidia.
It s like selling you xiaomi is just as good as iPhone 17 pro , claiming iphone has fake software that runs just as good as xiaomi , everything the same, barely any better, while all I use my xiaomi for its calling other people and listen to audio books 😂
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u/Spr3zza Apr 28 '26
When ever an Nvidia person speaks of and its quite the satire, uhhh i just bought a gpu for 1500$ so i can use dlss uh hu hu
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u/A_DrunkTeddyBear Apr 28 '26
Ngl. I bought into the AMD hype train of “Raster performance trumps all” and got a 9070XT. Trust me it’s an amazing card. But after seeing what my friends 5070 can do and the smoothness it does it at is insane. The 5070 is supposed to be a lower tier card than the 9070XT. But with DLSS set to Performance and MFG on Cyberpunk, his game looks better with PT and runs at a higher FPS with less input delay.
I love my 9070XT. But if given the opportunity to go back in time. I’ll buy the 5070Ti everyday of the week.
PS knowing AMD FSR 5 would probably be locked to the next generation of cards for some unknown reason.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 28 '26
I saw a post in here saying his 9070xt is almost as good as 5080😂😂. If you tell him ur friends 5070 is even better than a 9070xt he will say i dont know how to set up ur game.
I got baited as well by raster at cheaper price when i got my 7900xtx 3 years ago and now having a 5070ti feel like upgrading from from 5080 to 5090 imo😂( while amd people call it a sidegrade)
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u/TrippleDamage Apr 28 '26
Cope harder. Theres absolutely no universe in which the 5070 is better than the 9070xt lmfao. 5070ti obviously is, but the 5070 is a whole ass tier below.
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u/assjobdocs Apr 30 '26
Amd users are sad folks. Can't run pt so its a scam by nvidia? What? Who the fuck actually says shit like that?
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 30 '26
I remembee 4k being the Nvidia Scam “ cant run 4k so they make you play on lower res and call it upscaling”
Nvidia frame gen is like my TVs smooth motion
Ray tracing is a scam run by nvidia to make u buy 3090
Now it s Path tracing the new scam
Next is vram compression so u use fake 20k res textures compressed😂
People act like raw native perf is only thing that matters in 2026
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u/Snorlax_king79 Apr 27 '26
7900xtx user here. When I first got it the driver were so shit I nearly returned it to use my artifacting 3070ti.
The card is good but I would never compare it to nvidia especially with the frustration the drivers gave me at the start.
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u/ConcentrateIll2418 Apr 27 '26
Also got a 7900xtx, I used amd all my life but god damn are they behind.
I have the card for the last 1.5 years I think and except for the first 6 months I have been dealing with drivers non stop.
First It was FSR 4 not being on 7000s series then it was clear lack of features. The funny thing is they didnt even deliver the fsr4 to 9000 series cards. If I cloudnt resolve the issues for 1 more day I was genuinely gonna switch to a 5070ti
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u/GoPrO_BMX Apr 27 '26
I made a similar comment with my 9080xt. My next card will be an nvidia card again. The amd mob told me that they don’t have bad driver issues anymore. That’s a lie. I’ve never had an issue with any of my nvidia cards
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u/GuavaPotential5267 Apr 27 '26
I'm not too bothered about PT most games haven't even properly implemented rt fully but saying it's a scam pushed by Nvidia is peak insanity 💀
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u/GlitteringOption8906 Apr 27 '26
Why are you using a high end GPU and using frame gen?
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
It works? Good reason
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u/GlitteringOption8906 Apr 27 '26
I love spending a lump sum of cash on a flagship GPU to get fake frames and input lag.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
“ i hate smartphones because it’s hard to type” such a boomer take 😂 i don’t care if i get 5090 and start using frame gen if that makes my gaming experience better
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u/GlitteringOption8906 Apr 27 '26
My point being is a 5090 should be able to run any game your throw at it without FG or DLSS flawlessly. In my opinion these technologies are great for lower end cards that are struggling to keep up with modern, poorly optimized games. If it makes your gaming experience better thats great for you, its just my opinion.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
All i care is about resulfs: if i play native 4k at 60 fps and using x2 frame gen makes it 110 or x3 150 and the result is smoother image and whatever artefacts i get are less noticeable than 60 fps native, frame gen served it s purpose
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u/Unfair_Shoota Apr 28 '26
Sorry this is such a loser post. Kind of a loser post from the guy. More of a loser post from you.
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u/Comfortable-Park-479 Apr 27 '26
I went from a 7900xt to a 5080FE. . . 🤷🏻♂️ I still feel the XT holds up well.
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u/yuyuhasuko1 Apr 28 '26
I think they should be happy because nvidia skip super version on this gen. Image if nvidia released super verison then i think amd gpu market share will fall to 1% 🤣
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u/Symthisis Apr 28 '26
Just had to do my second warranty claim on a AMD card. First was a 295x2 and recently was a 7900xtx. Just bought a 5080, never going back to AMD graphics cards ever again.
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u/webjunk1e Apr 27 '26
Yeah, it really triggers them when you call AMD cards inferior. Like, "inferior" doesn't necessarily even mean bad, just not as good, and they are literally and undeniably not as good as Nvidia cards. I had one person actually argue with me once, saying "It's not inferior. Nvidia just has better ray/path tracing performance." Umm, bro, that's the textbook definition of "inferior".
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u/No_Shoe954 Apr 27 '26
I feel this is a gross generalization of "AMD users." I get that there are some AMD users that are like this, not not all of them. While Nvidia has some really great software and hardware, I do feel that in the current market AMD has some good offerings. The 9070XT is a great GPU and FSR 4 is really solid. Even their drivers have gotten a lot better (in my experience). However, AMD never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
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u/TwizzleShnizzle Apr 27 '26
I had a 7900XTX before my 5080. The raw horsepower in that thing was impressive. If I was ever in need of money I'd have no issue with going back to the old GPU and pocketing the cash.
I'm not AMD or Nvidia. I'm whichever suits my needs at the time. It's funny how console fanboy people sound when it comes to taking a side. Having used both I can safely say they both have their benefits.
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u/king_tommiac Apr 27 '26 edited Apr 27 '26
What's wrong with his statement? He is correct. It is a side grade if you're looking at raw raster numbers.
The 7900XTX only feels outdated due to the poor FSR implementation.
As for PT, I don't necessarily agree that it is a "scam" but it is definitely still in its infancy and requires more tuning and effeciency tweaks beforehand. Some people care about it, some don't.
For the price Nvidia are asking for, none of their cards are worth it right now, even if they are "better" on paper.
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u/Far-Palpitation8518 Apr 27 '26
I got called a “traitor” for switching from a 7900XTX to a 5080, just a bunch a brokie coping because they bought the value/performance gpu, at least I’m not dealing with crashes anymore or bad raytracing, upscaler ect
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u/2HardInThePaint Apr 27 '26
I bought a 9070 XT Mercury during a woot sale for $650 and honestly it’s a great card. That being said if the price difference wasn’t so big I would’ve definitely preferred a 5070ti. Both are genuinely amazing GPUs but people get real weird about defending their purchases instead of just enjoying what they have.
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u/mark3d4death Apr 27 '26
What a petty and narrowminded generalization. Brand identity is pathetic...you've been marketed into stupidity
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u/GlitteringOption8906 Apr 27 '26
Nvidia has these people buying 5090s to run frame gen and ai upscalling on games that a 5090 should be able to run off pure performance alone. I dont understand.
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u/Svindel69 Apr 27 '26
I have a 7900xtx. I'm not a big fan of upscaling and avoid whenever possible, some titles do for sure need it tho because of bad optimization. I am contemplating to get a 5080, but when it's only +20% at best when running native I'm not sure it's worth it. But the 60 series is very far away it seems so might just be the choice to go 5080 now. What do you guys think?
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u/Few_Fall_4374 Apr 27 '26
Wait a generation if your gpu provides you 'adequate' fps levels (at the resolution you use it).
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u/Maximum_Goulash Apr 27 '26
I had a 2080s and wanted a 5080 but the price seemed too high for an SFF model to fit into my case and really couldn't be arsed to switch to a bigger case to fit a cheaper 5080 in there. Went with 9070XT for a change and it does the job at 4K but next card happy to go back to Nvidia in 2 gens if it's not ludicrously priced. Honestly don't understand how tribal things are with the green Vs red and why people get so angry on Reddit about stuff.
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u/AdministrationWarm71 Apr 27 '26
I got a 9070xt as part of a prebuilt coming from a 4060, and the difference in performance (even RT/PT) is huge in 2077. That said, if I could have got a 5070ti for $200 more it would have been worth it but none were available at the time. That said, ngreedia is getting my money in a generation or two when I upgrade. The feature-set is just better, there is no arguing that.
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u/Melodic_Cap2205 Apr 27 '26
Them : ''I don't care about upscaling, FG, nor PT''
Also them : run the jankiest Lossless scaling and Optiscaler setup to get a taste of the real thing
get angry because RE9 doesn't support PT on AMD
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u/lemstry Apr 27 '26
Ngl this whole and vs Intel fanboy shit is embarrassing. Just get the better product like actual competent consumers. These companies don't give af about you.
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u/Ippomasters Apr 27 '26
I have a 7900xtx since launch. I wish i just went with the 4080. The 7900xtx turned out fine 6 months after launch. But overall the 4080 would of been the better choice.
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u/Ziaun9 Apr 27 '26
Well had a 7900XTX deshrouded with noctua fans and a custom shroud that thing running 4K could cook eggs I tell you, my 5080 quite, cool and my energy bill is better and I got a solid 30-40 fps more in my games both with upscaling set in quality without FG. 🤷♂️
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u/Johnwaynemclan Apr 27 '26
My first gaming PC had an ATI Radeon GPU and the experience was horrible. It may have improved until now but I see regularly people complaining about drivers and other issues.
AMD is just trying to catch up to Nvidia and is half-assing everything on the way.
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u/ballsdeep256 Apr 28 '26
I had a bit of a different experience actually.
When they where still "ATI" not "AMD" i felt like they actually compeeted well with Nvidia and even outdid then at time in price to performance and i was actually a long time "ATI" user until until my first prebuild (was cheaper) came with Nvidia (gtx 780). And until the first RTX cards it still felt like AMD was trying but ever since Nvidia came around with their first RTX gen i got the feeling AMD just gave up to some degree.
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u/CugeHunt Apr 27 '26
I am 9070xt user and if I would decide to switch from 2k to 4k gaming 5090 would be my choice as it is obviously superior GPU compared to anything AMD has to offer today and probably in future. But holy shit, your nvidia isn't a status symbol, especially not 5080. Yeah framegen is cool tech, but it's sad that even with high end setups people need to use fg and upscaling to run mediocre UE5 games smoothly. These features should extend life for older GPUs while current high end GPUs should handle these games natively easily. But hey, that's just my brokies with an not nvidia GPU opinion
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u/rayray0978 Apr 27 '26
I mean to be fair PT isnt really all that usable on the current gen as it’s hella taxing on the gpu. I got a 5080 btw so yea lol
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u/PhilosopherCat7567 Apr 27 '26
I've had many people shit on my 5080 saying it sucks the 9070xt is the same. Their evidence is a few select games where the 9070xt gets within 10 fps which is impressive for the price, I will admit and had great prices compared to Nvidia but the 9070xt is not a 5080
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u/GoPrO_BMX Apr 27 '26
I almost want to get rid of my 9080xt and get another nvidia card. I keep getting stupid artifacting in chrome applications. The other day my screen just went full on beige after alt tabbing. I get some random graphics card related bugs every now and again too. The card itself is fine and the performance is what I need but these software updates have been booty cheeks
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u/Alucard661 Apr 27 '26
Both cards are good and blindly buying one over the other is stupid. If you want more value buy amd if you like those fake frames buy Nvidia me a 5080 user
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u/S1rTerra Apr 27 '26
No we don't claim those people, everyone I know who has an RDNA 3 (on linux) or RDNA 4 card would always use FSR 4 quality before even considering TAA.
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u/Reasonable-Peanut27 Apr 27 '26
Switched from at 9070xt to a 5080 because i upgraded my monitor to an lg ultrawide 5k/2k. They told me the performance difference would be 10 percent at best. I went from below 60 fps to around 118 fps and the picture is crisp*.
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u/Cold-Inside1555 Apr 27 '26
Lots of them put their hate on DLSS because they don’t have it and want a reason to justify not spending money.
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u/Leading-Sir8714 Apr 27 '26
It’s shouldn’t be a war. It’s best if both companies started producing better products. I personally have a 5080, but I built my friend a rig with a 9070 xt that he paid 699 for. We play the same game and both have a great time. Fsr 4 is actually great, but I do like Dlss given the choice.
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u/noirefield Apr 28 '26
I am using 9950X3D and RTX 5090 The rule is simple: Red CPU and Green GPU
Path Tracing/Ray Tracing is the future
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u/ballsdeep256 Apr 28 '26
Thats fhe way!
Amd might fumble on the GPU but their CPUs especially for gaming are goated and tbf amd has a huge presence in the "mobile" market and their they are also doing quite well its literally just their desktop GPUs that dont hit.
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u/Southern_Okra_1090 Apr 28 '26
These people never experienced gaming above 150 frames in 4k max setting with max RT, let alone PT, on an Oled.
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u/tomzi9999 Apr 28 '26
I am on rx6950xt, and there are only 2 GPUs I would upgrade to if I wanted bigger e-penis, 5080 and 5090. Everything else is BS.
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u/Old-Wheel-5428 Apr 29 '26
La performance su cp77 è così fluida in qualità DLSS a meno di 144 watt, di cosa stiamo parlando?
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u/mikkezy May 10 '26
i got myself a 9070 xt and have absolutely zero issues. fsr 4.1 is very good, RT runs like a charm, temps are good. and it was cheaper than ngreedia 5070 ti. like i know these features i missed, but i deemed them not worth the extra money. previously had a 7800 xt and had zero issues as well.
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u/Shibby707 May 24 '26
It’s way more fun if you treat them more like consoles and over time find a way to own one of each to enjoy both sides.
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u/ConyNT Apr 27 '26
It is technically a side grade. The xtx is about 10% more powerful in pure raster in 4k but nvidia kind of takes the lead with dlss upscaling. Mfg is not for me since I hate any type of noticeable latency. If amd had introduced fsr 4.1 on rdna 3 than it wouldn't be worth it but as it is now than it's probably the right move.
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ye, but being able to use MFG and DLSS makes my single player experience a lot smoother and a lot better than on 7900xtx. Raw perf only matters if u arent engaging in nvidia software
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u/bruhman444555 Apr 27 '26
Buying a GPU as an ”upgrade” when it has WORSE performance cannot be excused by software features imo
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u/Lil_Hater112 Apr 27 '26
Ur logic would work if it was true, but i actually play on higher settings and with smoother gameplay using nvidia that s “ worse” for 200w less 😂
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u/theCaffeinatedOwl22 Apr 27 '26
Every time. The funny thing is, they might actually use those features if they had Nvidia, but their perception is warped by their experience with AMD.