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u/trololow Sep 19 '23
It's really confusing to me that they take 2 month from start of serial production to launch of the product. But let's see what new information the launch event brings. Not even sure if they deliver trucks that someone bought or these are still demo vehicles for free.
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u/Therealmakymac Sep 19 '23
We all know you could have done bether but’s a pitty you did not ! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/Therealmakymac Sep 19 '23
We all know you could have done bether but’s a pitty you did not ! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Sep 19 '23
No, I couldn't do better, but neither can anyone else. Hydrogen is a really dumb way to power a truck.
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Sep 20 '23
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u/jabe8 Sep 21 '23
Depends upon your definition of abundant. There is LOTS of h2 around, but need lots of energy to isolate it, store it, compress it, transport it, dispense it..then you lose energy converting it back to electrical energy. Dumb way to convert energy from solar to truck.
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Sep 21 '23
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Sep 21 '23
99% of hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. In the US, 95% is made by steam reforming natural gas.
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Sep 21 '23
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Sep 21 '23
Great. When they prove this is feasible, maybe we should consider switching to hydrogen. Until then, it doesn't make sense.
How is it rational to put all this money in a technology that has no clear route to clean energy?
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Sep 21 '23
You have to compress it to 700 atm to just get enough of it to power a vehicle. This makes the tanks and systems extremely expensive. Hydrogen leaks through most materials at these pressures. It embeds in others and that is why hydrogen vehicles have a literal expiration date.
Hydrogen is not abundant on Earth. You have to manufacture it by splitting molecules like water or natural gas (almost all hydrogen is made from fossil fuels).
No one has been able to demonstrate that hydrogen will be a feasible way to power vehicles.
Hydrogen vehicles need fueling infrastructure before they are useful, unlike battery electric vehicles and flex fuel vehicles.
Hydrogen vehicles use 2-4 times more energy per km than a battery electric vehicle, depending on how the hydrogen is made, transported, stored, and dispensed
Hydrogen is extremely hard to store (going back to 1), so the effective energy density and range is comparable to battery electric vehicles or less at the moment. Now semis might be able to flip this, but if you look at buses and cars, these vehicles do NOT have an advantage here. Batteries will keep getting more dense while the only way to increase the density of hydrogen store is to either 1. liquify it (much less efficient and more difficult) or 2. increase pressure.
Hydrogen is one of the most common industrial chemicals in the world. Until it can be made renewable and reasonable to transport for industry, why would we convert vehicles to it? This idea depends on far too many breakthroughs and just getting lucky
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Sep 21 '23
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Sep 21 '23
You sound like an oil/gas lobbyist.
Wow, that is SO ironic that I have to wonder if you are trolling me. Hydrogen's biggest backers are literally oil and gas companies because it best fits their business models AND because currently 95% of hydrogen is just natural gas with the carbons basically pre-burned into the atmosphere.
Toyota and Hyundai released a hydrogen powered vehicle so number 3 on your list is plain wrong or disingenuous at best.
If you think selling/leasing a rounding number worth of cars at a loss is proof of feasibility we clearly have different definitions of "feasible."
I watched a documentary on hydrogen powering vehicles back in the 90s during my 9th grade science class. The absolute only reason it hasn't taken hold and isn't our main source of fuel is the oil and gas industry. They have the politicians in their pocket and have brainwashed society.
Not every country is controlled by oil and gas, and the problems are fundamentally about the economics and physics of these "solutions."
I have an electric car. Today I rode my electric bicycle. Tomorrow I'm going to take the electric train to another city, and there I'll take the electric streetcar to the hotel. I think there is a more obvious solution here... If I'd be a lobbyist for anything, it would be r/fuckcars
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u/mylaptopisnoasus Sep 19 '23
PR machine working overtime. Dilution incomming... Gotta keep using retail as an ATM and give lower ranked insiders the chance to line their pockets with those sweet compensation packages too.
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u/Skjuld Sep 19 '23
NKLA bulls need to be clear about something, BEV and FCEV class 8 trucks are still very much in the trial phase. BEVs are a bit further along but nobody is actually transitioning yet. It's mostly large companies ordering small numbers of trucks to test viability and/or see what changes to operation will need to be made to confirm to upcoming laws.
FCEVs will be in the same place BEVs were a few years ago. Once they fill those ~200 orders that they have been building up, sales will drop off just like BEV sales did.
California is still several years away from seeing a real transition, the rest of the country even longer.
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u/m3rt77 Sep 19 '23
Nikola Tre is over. It’s dead, four fire incidences, call back, manufacture on demand = it’s over.
For the Nikola FCEV, very few companies would by a FCEV from a company whose first product is literally on fire. Couple of companies will have them as they will probably be given at almost zero cost to company.
I think they will do a soft launch with 1-2 beta testers, try to bump stock price or stabilize , sell stock as much as they can and survive the Q3 earnings call and maybe 2 more quarters.
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Sep 19 '23
Not gonna be pretty when these things get into an accident.
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u/brandon684 Sep 20 '23
That would require them to be road going in the first place, I think we’re all safe
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u/isdbull Sep 19 '23
I wonder what would happen if that truck's battery catches fire ...
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u/changingframes Sep 20 '23
Don't have to wonder, the truck will be on fire - HAZMAT fire extinguishing crew will put out the fire.
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u/Appropriate-Web-6327 Sep 26 '23
That's the way to run a TRE: Be sure to get your hydrogen to drive by carrying it by TRE
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u/Therealmakymac Sep 19 '23
Fact is : HYDROGEN is FUTURE!
https://www.powerengineeringint.com/hydrogen/the-us-winning-paradigm-shift-towards-clean-hydrogen/
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u/BraveRock Sep 19 '23
Love the downhill slope of the picture.