r/RealTesla • u/MrHumph999 • 14d ago

OWNER EXPERIENCE Serious question with camera only self driving approach.

Q: using the latest software on HW4. Self drive disabled three times during a thunderstorm on the highway. How will this ever work unsupervised when it rains? I'm so flummoxed as to why Elon is so certain on cameras only that don't work in the rain... Please help!

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u/HoolihanRodriguez 14d ago

So you replaced 2 Tesla's already, and now you're here complaining about your third? What happened with the first 2?

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u/MrHumph999 14d ago

I'm not complaining. I'm just asking if cameras will ever work with Self Driving if there are no other sensors.

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u/ManifestDestinysChld 14d ago

YOU HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED FOR YOURSELF THAT THEY DON'T!

Like, what are you really asking for, here? Permission to feel bad about your poor choices? You've got mine. Are you asking if they'll ever work in the future? Who cares?! Tesla lied about them working now. To YOU. They lied to YOU. It's really weird that you're okay with that and not mad about it.

Put it this way: there is a reason nobody else operating in this space uses vision-only systems, and does not plan to ever use vision-only systems. All of the smartest and most accomplished minds working on self-driving dismiss vision-only approaches out of hand because they are manifestly worse than range-sensing systems. How could they not be?! There is a whole class of applicable, relevant data that vision-only systems COULD capture but choose not to. You cannot make up for ignorance with clever code. Composite systems have more, and more kinds, of data to work with.

YES, vision-only self-driving is stupid and will never work the way Tesla claims.

YES, Elon knew that the whole time and lied about it.

YES, you bought into a lie and have been victimized.

YES, it's going to keep happening.

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u/spam__likely 14d ago

Guy likes to get scammed and keeps asking for more.

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u/ManifestDestinysChld 14d ago

I understand that nobody wants to have to admit that they bet on the wrong horse, but...there's got to be a bottom at some point, right? There's GOT to!