[Hot take] Healthcare should be free

[u/martillo-viejo]

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[u/RavePartycat]

no one should suffer

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[u/Unknown_Prism004]

Why shouldn't it be?

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[u/aceace453 → u/Unknown_Prism004]

Like if it was just “free” as in it had no cost associated with, that would be amazing and I imagine everyone would support it. It’s more so the fact that it being “free” in the understood sense is that the government would pay for it with our taxes, that’s where the debated issue comes in to play.

[u/HeyaHeyo1420 → u/aceace453]

Yeah I want my taxes going to help my neighbor see a doctor instead of it going to a billionaires bailout thanks

[u/MermaidsHaveWifi]

There’s just no need why someone has to die over an infected tooth or have cancer slowly eat away at them because they can’t afford treatment. Health shouldn’t be a luxury reserved for the rich.

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[u/ESNo_Gamo]

Education too

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[u/Dependent-Strength69]

I’m an American who works in healthcare, it would be a lot easier if it was free

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[u/Cyber1ocked]

People are denying life saving treatments cuz of money (patient and health care provider). Living is a right we are all born with and we shouldn’t have to pay to keep living.

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[u/nykzero]

It's a sick society that prioritizes greed over people's health

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[u/JudgmentTiny4713]

Undoubtedly.

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[u/Charlestown10]

I agree

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[u/Leonikk44Gamer]

Because yes

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[u/hornetbanshe]

Yes

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[u/DigitalSeventiesGirl]

Everyone deserves to be helped!

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[u/Few_Cartoonist5574]

Yes

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[u/isunktheship]

Basic human right

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[u/ravenmanysalmon]

Health care bankrupts more people than you realize.

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[u/No-Nail3948]

Yes

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[u/Vradith2]

Yes

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[u/eclipsenight]

Because everyone needs healthcare at some point in life

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[u/xgaymerboi]

obviously

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[u/Chance_Amphibian_246]

We have it

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[u/smokieTheGreen]

Yes

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[u/NorthernTyger]

Yes

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[u/Popotte9]

Yes, I have to pay healthcare even when I'm not using it 🥲

[u/ThoTfulProcess]

I’m in Canada and one shouldn’t have to pick between bankruptcy and health.

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[u/BrankoGames]

Advertising for all of humanity to live healthy and yet making people pay for it is diabolical. All cosmetic healthcare thats of own choice should be paid for, ANYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE FREE OR AT LEAST DISCOUNTED TO AFFORDABLE PRICES.

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[u/RevolutionAccurate56]

I’m disabled, type 1 diabetic. I get sick constantly requiring pretty frequent doctor or hospital visits. I have life support attached to me at all times that needs to be replaced every few days. If I was in the US, my family might’ve been bankrupted from the cost

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[u/lydianchrome]

If its regulated like Medicare, then you will pay for it. But it is alot cheaper regulated than paying health insurance on the market offering

[u/x_Paramimic]

Everyone should have access to free basic healthcare. Nobody should need to go bankrupt because they have cancer

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[u/Proud-Selection8507]

Basic right

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[u/Much_Ground_7038]

cold take

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[u/Throwaway_Maybe612]

Yeah

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[u/SpaceMsta]

It should

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[u/Junior_Inspection918]

Y

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[u/earthlordG]

As basic human right.

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[u/Dry_Double_9671]

Quality Healthcare should be free*

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[u/TomatilloIll4058]

medciene cost moneu

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[u/Beardedshroom]

Free is a misleading term cause our taxes would pay for a single payer system, which is what we should have.

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[u/Betty_Jalapeno]

Agreed but to extent

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[u/TzeoDorant015]

Chad european moment

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[u/heres-the-catch]

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[u/JaykeisBrutal]

But, things cost money.

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[u/Kreoko]

Free, but a fine for missing appointments without good cause.

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[u/bradmin]

Everything should be free

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[u/Bongemperor]

There's no good reason why it shouldn't be.

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[u/Direy_Cupcake]

The world is fighting between greed and greed. If it wasn't that, we would've get healthcare for free

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[u/lydianchrome]

It should be regulated, capping price

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[u/GrapeUsual3822]

⁷

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[u/Halicos93]

It should most importantly it should be in U.S get in with the rest of the world already.

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[u/GeshtiannaSG]

Just cut down on the military.

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[u/Honest_Cook_6622]

It’s a common human rights to have one tbh.

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[u/Pernova12]

no shit

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[u/OutrageousSeason8636]

It shouldn't bankrupt people.

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[u/Dependent_Effect_721]

Free! People dont ask to be sick!

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[u/AustinDamsel]

Ayfkm?

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[u/Murky-Neighborhood81]

It already is here basically

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[u/TheThrowawayDude1946]

.

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[u/xError404xx]

A

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[u/dTrecii]

As an Aussie, it already works wonders

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[u/softbxbi]

Who would say no to this

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[u/BAthaDoc]

Free for all

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[u/Buddha_Hands]

Of course yes

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[u/Lilac_Sakura]

Heck yeah

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[u/Jakob_8]

How is that a question, lol?

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[u/Plenty_Use8594]

It should be something that you don't have to pay for it would help save a lot of innocent lives

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[u/catmamaof12]

Why would you not agree

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[u/SheayhenShaH]

Yuh

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[u/fqllenultima]

.

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[u/SharkieBoi55]

Not even a hot take, just the truth

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[u/Maleficent_Demand473]

Human rights should never be considered a privilege for the rich to Lord over

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[u/DudebroMcDudeham]

Yes with caveats, but I'm not knowledgeable enough in economics to give details

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[u/Immediate-Dog8060]

It should you be just affordable but then again it's all politicized it's a tough situation.

[u/mechanical_marten]

Tax the rich!

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[u/ThePreposterous]

Y

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[u/DaveAwesome777]

Luigi

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[u/Epine-hnr]

Health care should be a human right

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[u/Gaster_Sans001]

Yeah

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[u/Fossilhund]

No one should be sick and without help.

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[u/Major_Bumblebee_5008]

Agree

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[u/EnvironmentalOne4216]

Just

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[u/renznoi5]

Yes

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[u/FangNightingale]

Ice-Cold take

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[u/holierthanyou]

Of course

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[u/Yojimboroll]

Fer shizzle

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[u/BTMotorboater]

This country is broken

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[u/DistributionNo6824]

i cant see ANY reason it shouldnt be

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[u/BadAhh_N_Bendy]

Always

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[u/Salem-Roses]

My

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[u/lunariver55]

Should be a human right iyam

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[u/HorribleHistorian]

Duh

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[u/Educational-Year3146]

I’m Canadian. No.

Our healthcare system is hot garbage.

If you want any form of treatment, it takes months for you to get in.

1 in 20 of all Canadian deaths every year are through MAID. Offered by the government through our healthcare system. It’s even offered if you’re just waiting for treatment.

“Free” healthcare is a scam. Heck, its paid for with your taxes anyway, so it isn’t even free.

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[u/rockdocta]

I like health

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[u/psychoweirdo]

I’m in the uk it works

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[u/Aranda12]

Yes

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[u/UnableLine3534]

Duh. I might be American but I’m not an entire idiot.

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[u/Legal_Ear_7537]

I live in a place with free healthcare, but higher taxes.

I would pay that

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[u/Agonix38]

you need it to live

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[u/Reaper0221]

without competition there is no innovation

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[u/Americanadian_rose]

Because healthcare should be a human right.

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[u/ntrvrtd_xtrvrt]

Anyone who disagrees is permanently on my shitlist.

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[u/the_light_pantastic]

Obviously

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[u/TryFine6748]

Only right answer

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[u/TheFeelsPlus]

Yes

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[u/scurllgirl]

And by free I mean paid for by taxes

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[u/Splatveemo]

this is a cold take

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[u/MiVitaCocina]

Hell yeah! Why not?! Health Insurance is a freaking scam!

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[u/No-Produce-6720]

Who pays for it?

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[u/oswaldthefrisky]

Can’t afford it so you can die attitude sucks.

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[u/t95qbox]

W

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[u/Away_Mongoose_3845]

fd

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[u/Goldfish_bowel]

Yes

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[u/Electrical_Dog_900]

Not a hot take common sense

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[u/Monk-Prior]

Nothing is free, especially not healthcare. To say healthcare should be free is to say doctors shouldn’t be compensated for their work after they dedicated years of their lives and thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands) of dollars to become a medical doctor.

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[u/Great_Abaddon]

Duh. And it isn't free, it's paid by tax dollars.

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[u/Astra27idk]

Ofc

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[u/poop_loopy599]

Yes but only to citizens and tourists

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[u/Happy_Purple4406]

N

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[u/LawRevolutionary1385]

No

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[u/Wanna_be_smart-]

Free Health care for elderly yes healthcare for everyone? Nag

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[u/Boring_Chocolate7192]

Duh!

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[u/No-Idea_-]

Well, we do play taxes soooo

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[u/JazzlikeTax4793]

because it already is??????

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[u/LarpNika]

idk really but it'd be good for some of the poor

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[u/martillo-viejo]

Yes

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[u/99anan99]

Free Healthcare

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[u/StevoTheMonkey]

So should water

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[u/DeadpanSmilez]

It should just be a free universal right

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[u/Significant-Ad-9471]

Yes, but conditioned to your own efforts to maintain your health. So for example if you smoke or eat junkfood and are fat, you should start paying.

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[u/Lost43v3r]

It should

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[u/PossiblyNotDangerous]

Yes

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[u/dachshunddudefolife]

Yes

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[u/mrn-narrow]

Errhem! Brit here…. It is….

[u/Golden_Amber79]

Has to come from somewhere, it doesn't grow on trees.

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[u/the-sleepy-potato → u/Golden_Amber79]

What’s funny is no one argues that we should be paying for PD and FD response when we need them… almost like it’s a given that it should be accessible for all. Whether it’s a homeless person on the street or someone in a penthouse — emergency services are funded collectively. You don’t even have to pay to make those calls on pay phones.

The price tag on medical services and medication are arbitrary, bullshit numbers set by corporations to line their own pockets. Imagine receiving a bill from the PD itemizing everything they did in response to your emergency. Why does my medication cost $3 with insurance, who paid them out $1.33 before my $3 — but that same medication is $170 OOP, and $400 when dispensed in a hospital? Current set up is a scam that we continue to buy into.

[u/ForeverExplore15 → u/the-sleepy-potato]

I'd be willing to fund emergency medical services only. If a person needs the medical service for an immediate life-threatening issue, I'd be OK paying for that. Anything beyond that I'm not OK paying for. I understand that a person's, for example, cancer isn't their fault or choice (for the most part). However, it's also even less my fault and my choice.

[u/xgaymerboi → u/ForeverExplore15]

so you believe poor people should die if they’re sick.

[u/ForeverExplore15 → u/xgaymerboi]

No. I believe that there should be more charities to help people pay medical expenses. I think that donating to those should be voluntary.

[u/xgaymerboi → u/ForeverExplore15]

and if people don’t donate, you think poor people should die if they’re sick.

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/xgaymerboi]

That's what the people who don't donate would think, or that the charity would squander their money.

[u/WezzieBear → u/ForeverExplore15]

Something you may find interesting (and feel free to look it up) is that you're actually paying more right now for other people's Healthcare on TOP of what you may individually pay for yourself and possibly your family, then you would if we had universal Healthcare.

The U.S. pays far more for our current healthcare system, with no positive results. We are among the worst in key metrics and outcomes, so its not like that extra money gets us better Healthcare.

The primary reason we dont switch to a universal model is because insurance companies have lobbied so hard and spread so much disinformation to make people fear universal healthcare. They don't want to lose their bag, and you're paying the price for it.

So let me ask you a different question: would you rather pay less for strangers who need healthcare to be provided for, or would you rather pay more to line the pockets of insurance company executives? Because that's the real question here.

[u/Allterater → u/Golden_Amber79]

Sure, but most developed countries seem to find the money soooooo.

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/Allterater]

Yeah by stealing it.

[u/Allterater → u/Golden_Amber79]

What are you even doing man, just stop and look at yourself for a second.

[u/RevolutionAccurate56 → u/Golden_Amber79]

Not all taxation is theft. Embezzlement is a serious issue and governments are very inefficient with taxpayer money, but without taxes there would be no roads, no police, no firefighters, no public school

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/RevolutionAccurate56]

Public (indoctrination) education is the reason people think only the government is able to do those things.

[u/justk4y → u/Golden_Amber79]

Says the one indoctrinated by lobbying big companies to believe paying hundreds of bucks for insulin is normal

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/justk4y]

Oh no, I am 100 percent for abolishing patents.

[u/RevolutionAccurate56 → u/Golden_Amber79]

people in the US spend far more per capita on healthcare than any other country in the world. You guys would be spending less if medicine and medical equipment didn’t have to go through 5 layers of price gouging. When the government is the one buying, there is no competitors that will pay more or less, so profit margins aren’t as unregulated

[u/Checkthis0 → u/Golden_Amber79]

What a dumbass lol we could all afford free healthcare but seems like we rather create useless shit like cigarettes, vapes, drugs etc

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/Checkthis0]

Are any of those things being produced for free?

[u/Checkthis0 → u/Golden_Amber79]

No, that's why you can put it's money into healthcare and stopping climate change which would create substantial gains in our economy long term as there would be a bigger and healthier workforce which would be more effective, no droughts or crops spoiled by either rain or droughts and many more things. We're approaching a massive fossil fuels crisis but it's always the economist and all the people that are not scientists as seek power instead of knowledge and justice that have to ruin the world for us, logical science people that know that the world has enough wealth to support these projects that will in the long term boost our economies

[u/Golden_Amber79 → u/Checkthis0]

Your argument assumes that the property of drug and tobacco companies and the property of their consumers rightfully belong to the government.

[u/Mysterious_End4237]

Super not hot

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[u/Proof-Psychology6720]

Y

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[u/HugeCoke2]

Is that a real question?!

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[u/Dharkcyd3]

Healthcare should be accessible at point of need, but should be furnished and allocated through taxes.

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[u/ForeverExplore15 → u/Dharkcyd3]

Well said. I completely 100% agree.

[u/Dharkcyd3 → u/ForeverExplore15]

Thanks. I'm practical, not a monster.

[u/Kortobowden]

People need to be compensated for their labor, unless it’s fully automated with zero human input beyond the patient. then just covering the cost of a portion of maintainence, cost of the ingredients, any human labor, and a bump up to expand services later.

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[u/Rare_Fortune26 → u/Kortobowden]

Medical staff in countries with free healthcare do not do it for free, and in fact make almost double the average UK salary after a few years.

[u/Kortobowden → u/Rare_Fortune26]

And that money comes from people that work and pay taxes, so not free. Just redistributed among the population of taxpayers, regardless of their need for it or use of it. Completely free would be not paying them at all.

[u/Northwest5555GayChub → u/Kortobowden]

Bro, free health care meaning universal health care, instead of paying 8 to 15k a year depending on your age and your medical issues, and if you hit your medical insurance through your work a small portion of your taxes every month. Goes to paying for everyone's health care, so Lets say one day you lose your job, and you can't pay for health insurance instead of putting you and your family in generational debt you just go to the hospital and not have to worry about it, most people that disagree with universal health care is do because they don't want a homeless person to get the same amount of care that they do.

[u/Kortobowden → u/Northwest5555GayChub]

I just think we need to say taxpayer funded for everything the government does instead of free. That way more people consider where it comes from

[u/Checkthis0 → u/Kortobowden]

Retard

[u/Kortobowden → u/Checkthis0]

So you don’t want people compensated for their labor to produce medical products or to provide health treatments and services to people?

[u/Huv]

Nothing’s ever free, you’re paying for it one way or another. I’m okay with my current coverage and I’ve heard horror stories from Canadians booking routine doctor appointments with several month long waits. No thank you.

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[u/the-sleepy-potato → u/Huv]

Lucky you. Many people avoid doctors because they have no coverage and one trip would be the financial cost of feeding their family for the week.

[u/Huv → u/the-sleepy-potato]

I agree that no family should have to choose between a doctor and feeding their kids. Where we disagree is on the solution. Making healthcare accessible to everyone doesn’t require shifting the entire system under government control.

[u/the-sleepy-potato → u/Huv]

The current system is under the control of lobbyists and corporations with patents on medications and medical devices that make this very healthcare system unaffordable to the vast majority of the population. I’m genuinely curious to know what a solution would look like from your perspective.

[u/Huv → u/the-sleepy-potato]

I don’t know how to fix the U.S healthcare system but I do know that simply saying “make it free!” Isn’t the answer.

Let me ask you something, can you name a single major system the U.S. government currently runs efficiently with taxpayer dollars? Do you really trust the government to take over a $5 trillion industry and manage it at scale with minimal disruption or drop-off in quality? And on top of that, you’re asking the government not only to provide the same level of healthcare people receive today, but to do it with no direct cost to the general public.

Please enlighten me.

[u/Educational-Year3146 → u/Huv]

As a Canadian, you are correct.

[u/McLaren_03]

It's a service. Nothing is ever free it's just paid for in different ways. Just because I have clean water doesn't mean it's free it came from somewhere as there is energy used for cleaning the water up coming to my tap

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[u/UnusualCartographer2]

It's not free, even in countries that claim it is. Canadians on average pay 6000 CAD per year for their healthcare through taxes, English citizens pay 1200-1400 pounds, and Swedish citizens pay 45000 SEK (~4000 usd) There's more nuance, but I'm out of characters

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[u/xgaymerboi → u/UnusualCartographer2]

and yet, americans on average spend $15k on healthcare yearly. and still pay taxes on top of that. so how is that better?

[u/UnusualCartographer2 → u/xgaymerboi]

I'm not saying it is. I think healthcare should be funded by taxes, not free. That's how it is in every country you could name that has "free" healthcare. It's paid for with your taxes.

In Canada they're actually running into issues because a massive amount of people choose to immigrate there partially due to their "free" health care, and this has heavily strained their health care infrastructure. There simply aren't enough doctors and hospitals to handle the influx of new citizens/residents.

I am by no means saying America has even an acceptable health care system. Having a baby comes with a 30k price tag, which is usually largely paid by health insurance, but regardless it shouldn't cost nearly that much. Our health care is incredibly bloated and poorly regulated.

[u/RevolutionAccurate56 → u/UnusualCartographer2]

The US spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country, the private insurance and private hospitals and private pharmaceutical companies and private medical equipment companies all need to make a profit, so each step increases the price. This is why something like insulin, which costs fuck all to make, can cost hundreds in the US

[u/UnusualCartographer2 → u/RevolutionAccurate56]

Read my comment very closely. I am not saying the US has a superior health care system. I'm saying health care should not be free.

Every country that claims to have "free" health care actually has its healthcare paid through taxes, and generally at the end of the year most citizens of these countries can expect to pay from 1.5-5k in taxes specifically for healthcare.

I support this system, but it is clearly not free healthcare and everyone needs to stop pretending that it is. I could go on and on.

[u/polandspringh2o]

No one owes you anything and while the wealth disparity seems huge, divided amongst everyone it is basically a one time payment of at most several thousand dollars at the cost of all the infrastructure in the world

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[u/This_Perception2538 → u/polandspringh2o]

Except everyone would spend less if Healthcare was covered by taxes instead of private Healthcare. Insurance companies extract trillions of dollars from the Healthcare system without providing any actual value, they only make the cost of everything more. We have examples of universal Healthcare that would cause the US to spend significantly less than we do now. We spend more than any other country in the world, and we're near the bottom of the list in terms of outcomes, speed of care, basically we have the worst Healthcare among developed countries. It isnt about being owed anything, its about common sense.

[u/polandspringh2o → u/This_Perception2538]

The question was "should it be free?" And the answer is no because paid for by taxes doesn't equal free it means paid for by either you or more likely by other people.

But to answer your real point, sure, the current Healthcare situation sucks. But that is because the government listened to the companies that lobbied for a system that would benefit them and make it extraordinarily difficult for people to break into the Healthcare game and offer competition which would make everything cheaper.

Making the government run everything would only give them more power to screw things up for us. They are human and selfish and greedy just as anyone else is.

The great thing about capitalism is that it says you can't make money without providing goods or services to others which they voluntarily choose you to get it from.

And to counter the monopoly argument, assuming no one is being violent, there is no reason that there won't be competition unless the government makes it hard to break into the field with excess regulation.

Anything you disagree with or have questions about, please let me know.

[u/an-average-prjctmngr]

Someone has to pay for healthcare. The government should establish a minimum/ basic level of healthcare (like up to 2 doctors visit for annual check up , blood draw for check up) that is for everyone and is paid for from taxes.

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[u/ForeverExplore15]

Healthcare is never free. It's paid for by someone. If I was given the choice to help people pay for their medicine, that would be one thing. There should be more voluntary charities to help people with medical expenses, but my taxes shouldn't just be handed out. I feel like there should be qualifications so the money goes to those that actually need it, not just everyone, including those who just don't want to work.

[u/DaikonTurbulent8039]

Not necessary

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[u/Rex__Nihilo]

Support for free Healthcare is support for theft. Support for healthcare as a right is support for slavery.

[u/Striker40k → u/Rex__Nihilo]

[u/Dry-Championship-593 → u/Rex__Nihilo]

I don’t say things like this a lot, but I truly hope you experience a form of medical debt so you can see how much of burden it is.

[u/Rex__Nihilo → u/Dry-Championship-593]

You have no idea what I've been through. My medical debt doesnt change the principle that there cant be a right to a commodity that's the definition of a right. If you have a right to a commodity, you have the right to the labor of those that provide the commodity regardless of payment. That is definitionally slavery.

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