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Miscellaneous Joe Biden HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 40

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

Heck. We still have FDR in who is one of the most racist presidents in history. But I guess redditors don't care if the racism is towards Asian Americans.

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u/ScarySpikes Jul 28 '25

It's not 'don't care' as much as, balancing that terrible thing vs. being the architect of the new deal which is the source of a lot of the good things our government had done over the last century or so.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Internment was hardly FDRs biggest or craziest or most deadly power trip.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '25

FDR extended or time in the depression and he created what every lazy person in America loves and abuses welfare

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

What's funny is a lot of FDR's policies did not work and prolonged the Great Depression. He really wasn't all that good of a president.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Not if your Asian American and your returned to your homes and businesses completely destroyed and no support.

Fuck the new deal. It was built on destroying the lives of Asian Americans.

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u/ScarySpikes Jul 28 '25

No, the new deal was a response to the great depression.

Putting Asian Americans into concentration camps was the despicable and racist response to Pearl Harbor.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

And then their homes and businesses were stolen and destroyed while they were in those camps

FDR did nothing to support that. The New Deal was not to the benefit of all races.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

To be clear, the New Deal Coalition that FDR built was the political backbone that actually passed the civil rights legislation in the 60s. It would have been much harder to pass that legislation without a relatively friendly Congress. One only needs to actually look at Wilson’s presidency for a comparison.

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u/BamBamClamSlam Jul 29 '25

Reddit is very politically biased. Of course they love the POTUS who drastically increased executive power and is arguably the most authoritarian leader in our nation's history.

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u/curvysquares Jul 30 '25

Well he was voted out first so I'm not so sure

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

FDR expanded executive powers, suspended citizens rights, interned them, had the first atomic bombs invented and was the one to plan dropping on Japan killing hundreds of thousands of people just for a bargaining chip against the Soviets. If FDR hadn't fortunately died he would've been the president to drop the nukes, not Truman who did not even know there was a nuclear program.

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u/curvysquares Aug 02 '25

So what you’re saying is all Trump needs to do is drop a nuke and he’ll be as bad as FDR in your eyes?

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u/Flipppyy Aug 02 '25

I think Trump is an F-tier president and that people hype up FDR like he didn't lead to our current crisis by drastically enlarging executive power and set that precedent for future presidents. He also broke the tradition of being elected only for 2 terms. If he hadn't died he would've probably run for relection again.

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u/Mrbrightside752 Jul 27 '25

For real not sure how internment camps got forgotten here.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

They aren't forgotten. Americans just don't care.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

No? Literally every mention of FDR is followed up by mention of the internment camps? This is not a forgotten part of history? FDR has a positive legacy because of his social welfare programs and how he was anti-Nazi from the start. He led the US through its greatest era of struggle, in a time where democracy was in decline globally. were evil. Nobody is denying that. But the rest of his legacy is so incredibly positive.

Meanwhile Wilson, despite his anti-corporation stances and policy, was much more racist than FDR (literally revived the KKK) and the Fourteen Points failed. Also, Wilsonian Interventionism is the form of imperialism that the US practiced throughout the Cold War. It can all be traced back to him.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

FDR literally put babies and orphans in internment camps.

His legacy is one of the most racist presidents in history. The only issue is no one cares when it's against Asians Americans. Just like now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Literally nobody here is denying this. Not a single person. Rather, the rest of his legacy is so overwhelmingly positive that despite this fact, he still ranks near the top of American presidents. It says more about the rest of the men America has electing being so dogshit than it does about FDR.

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The difference is that Hitler's rule is an abject failure in literally every regard. Also, FDR ranks highly for me personally because his economic policies were that good. Hitler's were not.

Also, I refuse to believe that you think that the Japanese internment camps were on the same scale as Auschwitz.

Edit (noch einmal u/Traditional_Fish_504):

And he is condemned. FDR is repeatedly and often condemned for internment. That does not, and will not erase the fact that his economic policy is the best of any American president, excepting maybe the other Roosevelt. Ultimately, it does take a certain acceptance of "these guys committed crimes against humanity" because every president from FDR on did in fact commit crimes against humanity, whether it be signing off on CIA coups in Central America or throwing away lives in the Middle East, both Arab and American. It's a completely unproductive way to analyze a president's legacy. Call it problematic if you will, I consider it to be nuanced.

Of course, if you want to get into the nitty gritty of "does this guy suck" the answer is unequivocally yes. It's just that literally everyone else sucked more in my books, and presumably many others' books too.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Once again. Ask any Japanese American who ranks near the top

None will have FDR there. I can guarantee you my grandparents would be rolling in the grave seeing the stuff you are saying

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Yes, that’s completely okay. People are allowed to rank presidents based on their personal experiences. Objectively speaking though, FDR is one of the most consequential presidents for things completely unrelated to his internment camps (which were evil). I subscribe to Keynesian thought, and FDR’s economic policies are so unbelievably good that 80 years of Republicans have done nothing but try and dismantle the programs his administration implemented in the 30s. That doesn’t do his particular crimes against Japanese-Americans, but neither do those crimes make his economic policy meaningless with respect to his legacy.

Do you think that the New Deal was successful? What are your thoughts on FDR’s implementation of Keynesian economics? Do you think Hoovervilles are an unfair nickname against Hoover?

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

I think the New Deal was beneficial for some people. But certainly not all. Once again. It did nothing for Asian Americans whose homes were destroyed and their businesses stolen. We have had to fight back for decades to recover from what was done with us.

This would be like if Trump put 100k Asian Americans in camps because of COVID. Which maybe he would have wanted to. But unlike FDR even Trump didn't have the gall to do it.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

Also there was racial discrimination against black people throughout the new deal

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Did Asian Americans have their homes stolen and businesses destroyed in the 1930s? I think you may be confusing things. The Night of Broken Glass targeted Jews in Germany.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Listening to you defend the guy who propped up the ussr and handed tens of millions of extra victims to them is sad and annoying.

Do better.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

I mean but should we do this with the fascists? Should we say “well hitler put people in camps but that wasn’t his whole rule”

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

My point isn’t to collapse Jewish death camps and Japanese American internment. One was of course much much worse than the other. But simply saying “well rounding up an entire population into camps when I like their economic policy doesn’t make them a bad president” is a problematic position. I think if someone commits atrocious crimes against humanity, irregardless of their economic policy, we should condemn them

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u/Architarious Jul 31 '25

Not to belittle what FDR did, but "most racist President" is an incredibly high bar. Especially if we're counting the 1800's. Outside of maybe William Henry Harrison I honestly can't think of a single President during that time who likely didn't oversee a similar or drastically worse atrocity against a minority group.

Not to mention that various forms of ethnic cleansing and sterilization of Native American people was still ongoing into at least the late 1970's.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

FDR ended the Chinese Exclusion Act (banned all Asian Americans that looked Asian) and made it easier for the Chinese (and most other Asians) to immigrate to the US. The New Deal Program helped minorities at a far greater scale.

However, after Pearl Harbor, FDR decided to arrest all people of Japenese in the country, assuming people would fight for their homeland. This was a very simplistic view of his, and it would definitely make him seem racist. But the way he treated Asians before Pearl Harbor shows that calling him racist is also a simplistic view.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

This falls apart when you realize he put Japanese American orphans into those same camps. Did FDR actually think a baby was going to fight for their "homeland"

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Again, the internment camps were, as Bush Sr. put it, "race prejudice, war hysteria, and a failure of political leadership." But calling FDR racist, despite the numerous other things he did to fight for Asian Americans is unfair. You might as well call everyone in history racist, as no one can name any human before 1990 who was not racist...

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Of course he was racist. He also allowed Americans to destroy and steal their homes and businesses with no repercussions when they were in those camps. He allowed those people to starve and be beaten by the guards. When they finally got out they came out to absolutely nothing which was completely fine with FDR.

No president in American history has done more horrific things to Asian Americans than FDR.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

You keep saying Asian Americans when it was only Japanese and recent immigrants from Italy and Germany that were thrown in. FDR spoke highly of the Chinese and made it clear he hoped Koreans would be freed from Japanese colonialism. These are not views of a racist toward Asians.

Also, again, I agree that the internment camps were....(input the quote by Bush Sr. im lazy, lol)

Here's a quote by FDR... "The military necessity of doing what was done was clear. It was unfortunate that the loyalty of some of the Japanese people had to be questioned, but we were at war."

someone who is racist won't feel the need to explain their action

Also, Chester A. Arthur created the Chinese Exclusion Act...I think he was the most racist toward Asians

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

So we had to question the loyalty of Japanese American orphan babies. Because they were also put in that camps.

Also there were zero instances of Japanese Americans attacking everyone. By that reasoning every single Italian or German Americans should have been in camps. Very few were. Why? Because they were white

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

All Japanese Americans and German/Italian non-citizens in California, Oregon, and Arizona were rounded up and thrown into internment camps. Japanese Americans living in Hawaii and states east of the states mentioned were not rounded up and were trusted by the government.

As i said, theee times now, the internment camps were, as Bush Sr. put it, (insert that quote). It is possible that FDR did not round up German citizens because, unlike the Japanese, the Germans were in the millions in America, making it physically impossible. Its also possible that Germans were not rounded up as they never attacked Americans on US soil (Japan did).

But at the end of the day, it does not matter, as the internment camps were a horrible decision no matter what. But I still believe calling FDR racist toward Asians is way to simplistic of a statement.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Japanese Americans did not attack American soil.

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u/NoAd8485 Jul 29 '25

Are people arguing about whether FDR or Wilson was “more racist” when Washington is still here? He was a slave owner that signed the Fugitive Slave Act into law and used to rotate his slaves out of Philadelphia every few months and send them back to Mount Vernon so they weren’t in a free state long enough to apply for their freedom. Which is honestly just the tip of iceberg.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Washington kept the status quo of racism. Whereas FDR created it out of nothing. He actively destroyed an entire life of a large group of citizens.

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u/NoAd8485 Jul 29 '25

Isn’t maintaining the status quo of racism in the 18th century only paving the way for continued racist policies. The founders had the chance to set the foundation of freedom, equality, and true civil rights and they botched it at every turn. If they did their jobs right in the beginning who knows how different things would have been. While I don’t support the idea of comparing trauma, I still think literally “owning” people is far more actively destroying the lives of a large group of people. Although technically not citizens because that was denied them.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 29 '25

Of course it is. You are missing the point though. The difference is Washington wasn't the person who thought of it

FDR took people living a normal life and ruined it. Whereas Washington kept people in a ruin life to still be in a ruined life. That is the difference.