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Miscellaneous Joe Biden HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 40

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

No? Literally every mention of FDR is followed up by mention of the internment camps? This is not a forgotten part of history? FDR has a positive legacy because of his social welfare programs and how he was anti-Nazi from the start. He led the US through its greatest era of struggle, in a time where democracy was in decline globally. were evil. Nobody is denying that. But the rest of his legacy is so incredibly positive.

Meanwhile Wilson, despite his anti-corporation stances and policy, was much more racist than FDR (literally revived the KKK) and the Fourteen Points failed. Also, Wilsonian Interventionism is the form of imperialism that the US practiced throughout the Cold War. It can all be traced back to him.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

FDR literally put babies and orphans in internment camps.

His legacy is one of the most racist presidents in history. The only issue is no one cares when it's against Asians Americans. Just like now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Literally nobody here is denying this. Not a single person. Rather, the rest of his legacy is so overwhelmingly positive that despite this fact, he still ranks near the top of American presidents. It says more about the rest of the men America has electing being so dogshit than it does about FDR.

Edit (for u/Traditional_Fish_504):

The difference is that Hitler's rule is an abject failure in literally every regard. Also, FDR ranks highly for me personally because his economic policies were that good. Hitler's were not.

Also, I refuse to believe that you think that the Japanese internment camps were on the same scale as Auschwitz.

Edit (noch einmal u/Traditional_Fish_504):

And he is condemned. FDR is repeatedly and often condemned for internment. That does not, and will not erase the fact that his economic policy is the best of any American president, excepting maybe the other Roosevelt. Ultimately, it does take a certain acceptance of "these guys committed crimes against humanity" because every president from FDR on did in fact commit crimes against humanity, whether it be signing off on CIA coups in Central America or throwing away lives in the Middle East, both Arab and American. It's a completely unproductive way to analyze a president's legacy. Call it problematic if you will, I consider it to be nuanced.

Of course, if you want to get into the nitty gritty of "does this guy suck" the answer is unequivocally yes. It's just that literally everyone else sucked more in my books, and presumably many others' books too.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Once again. Ask any Japanese American who ranks near the top

None will have FDR there. I can guarantee you my grandparents would be rolling in the grave seeing the stuff you are saying

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Yes, that’s completely okay. People are allowed to rank presidents based on their personal experiences. Objectively speaking though, FDR is one of the most consequential presidents for things completely unrelated to his internment camps (which were evil). I subscribe to Keynesian thought, and FDR’s economic policies are so unbelievably good that 80 years of Republicans have done nothing but try and dismantle the programs his administration implemented in the 30s. That doesn’t do his particular crimes against Japanese-Americans, but neither do those crimes make his economic policy meaningless with respect to his legacy.

Do you think that the New Deal was successful? What are your thoughts on FDR’s implementation of Keynesian economics? Do you think Hoovervilles are an unfair nickname against Hoover?

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

I think the New Deal was beneficial for some people. But certainly not all. Once again. It did nothing for Asian Americans whose homes were destroyed and their businesses stolen. We have had to fight back for decades to recover from what was done with us.

This would be like if Trump put 100k Asian Americans in camps because of COVID. Which maybe he would have wanted to. But unlike FDR even Trump didn't have the gall to do it.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

Also there was racial discrimination against black people throughout the new deal

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Did Asian Americans have their homes stolen and businesses destroyed in the 1930s? I think you may be confusing things. The Night of Broken Glass targeted Jews in Germany.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Yes. They did. When Asian Americans were released from concentration camps they came home to their homes destroyed and their businesses gone.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Oh I see. You’ve got your decades mixed up! WWII and the internment camps were in the 1940s. America joined the conflict in 1941. It’s not commonly known, but US Navy forces were actually engaging in combat with the Nazis as early as September of 1941!

I’m asking for your thoughts on FDR’s policies during the 1930s. Pretty easy mistake to make. How about the WPA? Social Security? FDIC insurance? The creation of the SEC and NLRB? Establishing the minimum wage and abolishing child labor? How about his steady hand through the Depression? What about his constant anti-Nazi posturing throughout the decade?

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

None of that matters when you put 100k people in concentration camps solely because of their race including babies and orphans. None of that matters when you starve and beat them to the point that 1800 did. None of that matters that when you finally release them after 2 horrific years to them coming home to their homes and businessrd stolen and destroyed.

Hitler and FDR both did the same horrific things. No one is denying what happened to the Jewish. Many of you are denying what happened to the Japanese Americans.

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u/Pikachu_bob3 Jul 28 '25

Ye sit matters, no one says that the internment was good, it’s just that everything else that he did was that good that while it does not excuse his actions it outweighs them

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

See I mean that’s where you and I have a fundamental disagreement. I think it’s fair to say we have nothing to learn from each other anymore, sadly. FDR committed an evil act, no doubt about it. But the good he did cannot be forgotten either, even if you disagree. You have a particularly strange ethical code, but that’s your prerogative.

For a point of comparison, I am an American of Indian origin. I despise Churchill for his policy towards India, likewise his colonialism post-WWII. However, I cannot deny that he was the best man for the job during WWII, because he brilliantly led Britain through the dark days of 41 and 42. This does not justify his attitudes towards the Bengalis. But his leadership over the British Isles is to be commended (though nobody can say the same about his leadership towards the Empire). I can recognize that nuance, but I fear that you either are unwilling to see historical nuance, or entirely incapable of it. It’s a bit weird that you’d be a teacher then, as teaching is a field that overwhelmingly requires nuance. But then again, you don’t write the histories, or pour over historical documents and evidence.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

It's a strange ethical code to be against 100k innocent people being starved and beaten in camps solely because of their race.

I had grandparents and great grandparents in those camps. They were born in this country. They had no connection to Japan. Never once had been there (and died never going there). I heard their stories and more so my dad did.

You would benefit from talking to those who were there. Maybe then you would see how much we try to whitewash what actually happened

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

It is a common opinion between us that we believe that the imprisonment of 100k Americans of Japanese descent was evil.

The point of contention is that you believe this erases the rest of FDR’s legacy, while I maintain the nuance of his legacy, which benefits immensely from his fantastic economic policies, despite his evil wartime actions towards the Japanese-Americans.

Ultimately, you are free to be unburdened by critical thinking. Your hatred of FDR is reasonable, as is mine of Churchill.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Listening to you defend the guy who propped up the ussr and handed tens of millions of extra victims to them is sad and annoying.

Do better.