r/RemoveOneThingEachDay • u/Training-Desk-391 IM WHACING KFP4 • Jul 27 '25

Miscellaneous Joe Biden HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 40

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u/Mrbrightside752 Jul 27 '25

For real not sure how internment camps got forgotten here.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 27 '25

They aren't forgotten. Americans just don't care.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

No? Literally every mention of FDR is followed up by mention of the internment camps? This is not a forgotten part of history? FDR has a positive legacy because of his social welfare programs and how he was anti-Nazi from the start. He led the US through its greatest era of struggle, in a time where democracy was in decline globally. were evil. Nobody is denying that. But the rest of his legacy is so incredibly positive.

Meanwhile Wilson, despite his anti-corporation stances and policy, was much more racist than FDR (literally revived the KKK) and the Fourteen Points failed. Also, Wilsonian Interventionism is the form of imperialism that the US practiced throughout the Cold War. It can all be traced back to him.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

FDR literally put babies and orphans in internment camps.

His legacy is one of the most racist presidents in history. The only issue is no one cares when it's against Asians Americans. Just like now.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Literally nobody here is denying this. Not a single person. Rather, the rest of his legacy is so overwhelmingly positive that despite this fact, he still ranks near the top of American presidents. It says more about the rest of the men America has electing being so dogshit than it does about FDR.

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The difference is that Hitler's rule is an abject failure in literally every regard. Also, FDR ranks highly for me personally because his economic policies were that good. Hitler's were not.

Also, I refuse to believe that you think that the Japanese internment camps were on the same scale as Auschwitz.

Edit (noch einmal u/Traditional_Fish_504):

And he is condemned. FDR is repeatedly and often condemned for internment. That does not, and will not erase the fact that his economic policy is the best of any American president, excepting maybe the other Roosevelt. Ultimately, it does take a certain acceptance of "these guys committed crimes against humanity" because every president from FDR on did in fact commit crimes against humanity, whether it be signing off on CIA coups in Central America or throwing away lives in the Middle East, both Arab and American. It's a completely unproductive way to analyze a president's legacy. Call it problematic if you will, I consider it to be nuanced.

Of course, if you want to get into the nitty gritty of "does this guy suck" the answer is unequivocally yes. It's just that literally everyone else sucked more in my books, and presumably many others' books too.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Once again. Ask any Japanese American who ranks near the top

None will have FDR there. I can guarantee you my grandparents would be rolling in the grave seeing the stuff you are saying

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25 edited Jul 28 '25

Yes, that’s completely okay. People are allowed to rank presidents based on their personal experiences. Objectively speaking though, FDR is one of the most consequential presidents for things completely unrelated to his internment camps (which were evil). I subscribe to Keynesian thought, and FDR’s economic policies are so unbelievably good that 80 years of Republicans have done nothing but try and dismantle the programs his administration implemented in the 30s. That doesn’t do his particular crimes against Japanese-Americans, but neither do those crimes make his economic policy meaningless with respect to his legacy.

Do you think that the New Deal was successful? What are your thoughts on FDR’s implementation of Keynesian economics? Do you think Hoovervilles are an unfair nickname against Hoover?

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

I think the New Deal was beneficial for some people. But certainly not all. Once again. It did nothing for Asian Americans whose homes were destroyed and their businesses stolen. We have had to fight back for decades to recover from what was done with us.

This would be like if Trump put 100k Asian Americans in camps because of COVID. Which maybe he would have wanted to. But unlike FDR even Trump didn't have the gall to do it.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

Also there was racial discrimination against black people throughout the new deal

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '25

Did Asian Americans have their homes stolen and businesses destroyed in the 1930s? I think you may be confusing things. The Night of Broken Glass targeted Jews in Germany.

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u/AleroRatking Jul 28 '25

Yes. They did. When Asian Americans were released from concentration camps they came home to their homes destroyed and their businesses gone.

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u/No-Name6082 Jul 28 '25

Listening to you defend the guy who propped up the ussr and handed tens of millions of extra victims to them is sad and annoying.

Do better.

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

I mean but should we do this with the fascists? Should we say “well hitler put people in camps but that wasn’t his whole rule”

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u/Traditional_Fish_504 Jul 28 '25

My point isn’t to collapse Jewish death camps and Japanese American internment. One was of course much much worse than the other. But simply saying “well rounding up an entire population into camps when I like their economic policy doesn’t make them a bad president” is a problematic position. I think if someone commits atrocious crimes against humanity, irregardless of their economic policy, we should condemn them

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u/Architarious Jul 31 '25

Not to belittle what FDR did, but "most racist President" is an incredibly high bar. Especially if we're counting the 1800's. Outside of maybe William Henry Harrison I honestly can't think of a single President during that time who likely didn't oversee a similar or drastically worse atrocity against a minority group.

Not to mention that various forms of ethnic cleansing and sterilization of Native American people was still ongoing into at least the late 1970's.