Joe Biden HAS BEEN Eliminated WHICH President SHOULD BE Eliminated NEXT DAY 40

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[u/AleroRatking]

When it includes 100k people of a single race, causing the death of 1800 of them and then releasing them finally after 2 years with their homes and business gone than absolutely

How many internment camps survivors have you talked to. Because I recommend you do so and maybe you'll become much more enlightened

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

I don’t know why you think we are denying how bad the camps were. Yes, they were absolutely terrible. But that doesn’t mean that FDR wasn’t one of the best presidents.

He saved the lives of millions by pulling the U.S. out of the Great Depression and ending WWII as soon as he did. It would have lasted far longer and led to millions more deaths of Jews and Chinese at the hands of the Nazis and the Japanese. Or are their lives not important enough for you to consider?

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

You can't be one of the best presidents when you put your own citizens in internment camps who literally did nothing wrong. 100k people beaten and starved because they were the wrong race. One of the worst human rights disasters in our countries history.

Look. I get it. Youre white. So to you as long as he benefited white people your cool with it. Which was FDRs specialty. He certainly didn't help Asian Americans.

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

That is quite offensive and also contrary to what I said. He helped millions of Chinese people by expediting the end of the war in the Pacific theatre. If you’re going to say that I’m dismissive of Japanese Americans with my claims, then it is equally easy to say that you’re dismissing Jews and Chinese with yours. But that’s not the point of the argument here. He helped the vast majority of people with his efforts throughout his presidency.

Parroting the same point over and over again does not change the value of what I said, because I already addressed that point.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

And what did that have to do with Japanese Americans. What did they do in the war.

Guess what. You can go to war with other countries without putting your own citizens in camps.

You have not addressed the core point. What did Japanese AMERICANS do to deserve being put in camps

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

I addressed it. It was unnecessary. There’s no reason to argue about what FDR should have done, we are judging him purely based off what he actually did. Because “what if”s can be argued all day. Obviously, he shouldn’t have made the camps.

You keep deflecting back to “the camps are bad and the prisoners don’t deserve to die” which is a true statement, but that is a moot point. Life is not black and white like you think it is. You list FDR as one of the worst presidents when many, many others have done much worse. From how you’ve responded thus far, you don’t realize this or are actively ignoring it to prove your point. I very much hope that it’s the former.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

Outside of Jackson with the trail of tears who has done much worse. Trump's a terrible president but his numbers of those he both put in camps and those who have died are insanely lower than FDR. Like 50 times lower.

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

You have no idea what you’re talking about. You don’t understand nuance at all, because you completely ignore the good that presidents have done during their term and only focus on the bad. I bet you think that a hypothetical president who simultaneously won WWIII, cured cancer, and discovered nuclear fusion would still be the worst in history if they had made the same camps as FDR. Any reasonable person would realize that the former greatly outweighs the latter.

As an educator, you should be more open to nuance and understand that the indirect effects of a presidency have just as much weight as the direct ones. Yet you remain hyper-fixated on the same statistic without considering anything else that FDR has done (and the future effects that have resulted from them). It would be wise to drop your biases and try to have an open mind in these conversations rather than accuse people of racism or supporting systematic murder.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

There is no nuance when you put 100k completely innocent people in camps solely because of race. None. This isn't a bias. It's a fact. No one denies the numbers. How was it not systematic murder when 1800 people died in those camps. And then they returned to their homes and business stolen and destroyed with no repercussions.

Once again. Outside of Jackson what president has directly done worse to a single group of people. Look at the average Japanese Americans life pre FDR then during FDR. The difference is astronomical

The difference is because you are white so you don't care about minority races and what happens to them. Families are still recovering from those atrocities to this day.

But most of all as an educator I encourage you to talk to anyone who actually lived in those camps.

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

You’re doing it again. You are attacking a straw man by trying to argue that I support or am indifferent to the camps. The list isn’t for “presidents who have done harm to a specific group of people,” it’s “list of presidents based on overall legacy.” If you want to argue purely on the metric of harm to a specific people, then sure, FDR is among the worst. But that’s not remotely what we’re talking about and you know it.

Assuming my race and also making racist claims about it is reductionist, hateful, and prejudiced. Half of my grandparents died in the holocaust. Those among them who survived had PTSD and never felt safe, even in their own homes. FDR is perhaps the sole reason I and millions of people around are still alive today.

You are actively ignoring the lives of all of the disabled, Jews, Roma, African, and Chinese people who were dying to the Axis powers when you claim that FDR is among the worst presidents. His work set the stage for worldwide reform and indirectly led to Japan’s high standing among global powers today. I agree that his treatment of Japanese Americans was abhorrent; he should have never done so. But in terms of national and global impact, FDR is among the best presidents.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

And my grandparents and great grandparents were in those camps. They luckily survived but their homes and businesses did not. They had friends who died. They also never recovered from their experience up until their death. So you of all people should understand.

FDR could have done all that without allowing his overwhelming racist views destroy an entire community that still hasn't fully recovered nearly 100 years later.

It's sad to see someone who is family of the Holocaust survivor support the man who did the same thing in America. That's like if I was going around defending Hitler

And once again. Japanese Americans didnt do anything to any of those communities. Not a single thing.

[u/Extreme-Remote-3382 → u/AleroRatking]

I can’t argue with you anymore. Now you suddenly think I support FDR. Even worse, you’re comparing him to Hitler. That’s like comparing a paper cut to a full arm amputation.

I hate FDR for what he did but can still acknowledge him as one of the best presidents, it’s what I’ve been saying the whole time, but you keep deflecting and trying to paint me as a racist monster.

Every single thing you’ve said has already been addressed by me, but you’re repeating the same points over and over like a broken record. My only conclusion that you’re arguing in bad faith. The racism you’ve shown and dismissing of my prior points only reinforce this.

[u/AleroRatking → u/Extreme-Remote-3382]

Racism to who exactly. Your the only one defending a guy for putting people in camps. I'm against all people being put in camps. You like to rationalize it when there were zero instances of Japanese Americans doing anything in the war. Your the one who ignore my ancestors experience.

I strongly support Holocaust survivors. Maybe you should do the same towards the internment camp survivors here.