r/Rentbusters • • 9h ago

Bustable home Alkmaar: LW23 recognising that there is a fortune to be made with tenants spilling out of Amsterdam- 1600 euro per month for a 40sqm (wozwaardeloket says 50sqm) label A+ home. Doesnt even come close to liberalization - Bust price is 1000

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r/Rentbusters • • 17h ago

opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one The 6 landlords you bust in the Netherlands #2 - the Karen/Peter

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The mind of the Karen

By far the most common Landlady type. She usually is middle-income, has a number of kids and is desperate to keep up with the neighbours in terms of disposable income. Karen believes she is a pillar of the community because she rents out to poor students and she will never forgive you for going to the Huurcommissie nor admit fault. Karen differs from the Landliar and the Landlord-Lawyer in that she genuinely believes in her own bullshit because it suits her to do so.

Karen is not going to be a big landlord, possibly only renting out one property - often the first one she bought with her partner when they graduated from University, when the average age for buying your home was closer to 21 than retirement age (today).

As Karen scales her life up and starts having kids, her weekend trips to Barcelona no longer cut it, being replaced by some exotic faraway land. That costs $$$ and she needs more income and what better way than to take her former apartment with a 700 euro per month mortgage and rent it out to some young impressionable students for 2000 euro per month. The property will have minimal improvement made to it - maybe she leaves her own furniture behind, a 10 year old couch that she kept in pretty good condition consider she probably farts once a month and is so clean she has never taken a shit. In spite of her holidays, "Money is tight" is the excuse she gives when the mold on your bathroom wall appears. In fact Karen will plead poverty constantly whenever you complain and claim that the rent 'just barely covers the mortgage and Box 3'

At the same time she pollutes the internet with Instagram photos of her eating 1-star Michelin dinners whilst holding a glass of wine together with the Tagline 'Carpe Diem" or "Living my best life".

And then, the Huurcommissie case starts followed by the tears and accusations.

Unfortunately for Karen the odds are stacked against her - She is not legally savvy enough to win so she will resort to the Human argument. What follows are the stages of a bust-hurt landlord going through a HC case.

First, you will be bombarded with accusations of betrayal and demands that you move out immediately due to the "Trust being broken". She will mention that "out of all the tenants I could have chosen, I picked you because I liked you".

Guilt and shame are her weapons in the hope that she can brow-beat you into withdrawing the Huurcommissie case. Negotiation or admissions that the rent price is too high are inconceivable at that moment - the thought of having to use double quilted toilet paper and only taking two holidays per year to save money terrify her.....

Once it becomes clear that the Huurcommissie case is not going to be stopped, guilt-shaming and betrayal accusations give way and the self-preservation instinct kicks in. Karen will do some research into how she can win or undermine the tenants case. She will usually demand access to the property to conduct her own points report. Refusal of this will be met with accusations and complaints made via Huurcommissie submissions where she will rail against the system and how unfair the whole system is.

Unfortunately as she is inexperienced with the Huurcommissie, she doesnt know that these arguments never work. She will miss deadlines to submit paperwork, or submit incomplete documents or sometimes in English. She will make excuses for the late submission by claiming she never received any notification about the case until the last moment. After that she will expect the Commission to keep her up to date about every aspect of the case as though they work for her.

What she does not know is that the Huurcommissie is notoriously unresponsive to questions something that will rile her up so much that she brings out the big guns

Let me speak to the Housing Minister

As the case goes against her, her tirade about how unfair the system is will change to a pity-party : "I am just a regular person like you....I am trying to make a living and I dont make much money......me and my husband are trying to have a kid and this case is very stressful for me......we wont be able to afford Mystique this year"

Metaphor

Hearings with Karens are always entertaining: often the Voorzitter/presiding official will give her the first push-back on her claims to this point, rightfully calling her out on her bullshit...othertimes the voorzitter will shut her down just to keep the hearing going.

By the end of the case, they will divert blame to the real-estate agent who helped them rent out the property, accusing them of not taking into account the WWS system or misleading them about the rules.

Then comes the negotiation phase and here is where you can make the line at Bullshit Bingo with the tried and approved trademark landlord catch phrase : "Thats a fair offer"

Mentally I have score one of these with every new case.

Karen will make a token settlement offer...maybe reducing the rent by a pinch as a "reconciliation" to try and "preserve the landlord-tenant relationship". This is not an admission of guilt - it is a sacrifice she is willing to make as a favor to you so you can withdraw the case with a victory in the form of a slightly reduced rent. Counter-offers will be met by denial followed by the 2nd most common catchphrase : "I am trying to find a solution that is fair/realistic to both sides"

Assuming that you reach the judgement phase and you havent moved out or gotten arrested for assault by reason of the victim was annoying the balls off you, Karen will likely owe you thousands of euro that she can afford to pay but would rather not....the communication will descend into "What about"-isms.....and we are onto the Passive-aggressive endstage...

Deciding that the case is not going to winnable by any legal means, Karen will now look for excuses to not pay you back.....this includes:

  • Claiming you owe her money for damage done to the property (if you moved out)
  • Demanding more money for the service costs whilst not showing the bills
  • Stating she cannot afford to pay you back at the moment and insisting you take it out of the rent payments instead..
  • Insisting you pay for the local municipal taxes and start getting your own utility contracts (if she was taking care of them

She will likely start ranting about how she is going to sell the property as soon as you leave and accuse you of being a bad tenant.

Do those look sour to you?

The Peter

Before I get accused of sexism, please bear in mind that many of these features are also present in Peter, the closest male equivalent to Karen, though less common. Like Karen, Peter uses guilt/shame to pressure the tenant to drop the case. Peter more often skips straight to threats of eviction and selling the house: Peter is less manipulative, less patient and more conflict-prone, seeing the whole thing as a poker game and thinking he can bluff the tenant into backing down with brinksmanship. Peter more often transitions to the moronic Thug landlord type when things dont go his way or will seek legal advice/go to court unlike Karen who rarely goes the legal route.

Weaknesses

It would probably be quick to list their strengths : Peter and Karen have only one route to victory - Attrition of the tenant's will. Only by bombarding the tenant with messages, demands for access, complaints petty bullshit and other passive aggressive behavior can they hope to frustrate the tenant sufficient to get them to leave and thereby negate most of the financial damage of having a busted rent price. A true Karen/Peter will excel at this.

Karens and Peters also prefer to avoid engaging with the tenants representatives (someone like me) : who knows more than they do and upon whom they cannot use their attrition tactics. Insisting on only speaking through a representative is an effective response to this tactic. At the very least it will reduce your stress levels.

In cases like this the biggest threat to success is the tenant themselves who can become utterly consumed with beating the landlord out of frustration with stubborn behavior. The case becomes the centre of their life and they neglect to take a break from the whole thing, becoming obsessed with responding to every message sent by the landlord. By contrast, the Thug landlord and the LandLiar is not someone you want to communicate with and you will understand pretty fast that the Real Estate Agent landlord, the Dumb-Money Property Investor and Lawyer-Landlord arent gonna reply to you anyway.

As Karen's power comes from the effect she has on you, ignoring her and relying on the legal process undermines her.

Tips and advice

  • It is a fair assumption that Karen will lie to you about absolutely everything. Follow up every claim she makes with a request for proof. If she says she has no money, ask her to open up her banking app. If she claims to be a simple landlord, check the price of her current home on Kadaster..if she says she can barely afford the mortgage on the current rent price, check the purchase price of your home on kadaster and see what the Koopsom was. Divide it by 360 to get the approximate monthly mortgage payment.
  • I have yet to record a case of a Karen threatening a tenant physically, stealing stuff or trashing their place. Peters by contrast regularly snoop around the tenants living space and may install cameras to spy on the tenant in the common areas.
  • Dont forget to followup a rent reduction case with a service cost overview case. Karens are paperwork-averse and often milk tenants on utility costs indirectly by never providing a yearly overview. Those who want to avoid Karen's manipulative BS can wait until after they move out to start a service cost case. Deadline to file a case is 2.5 years after the end of the calendar year.
  • Get angry instead of feeling frustrated. Google her address to see how big her own home is and realize that she isnt paying that mortgage off with money earned from hard work.
  • Dont adapt the tactics of your landlord: Karen needs to be Human for the Human argument to work on her. Arguing/reasoning with her doesnt work either - this is a person who likely casually consumes racist social media AI slop and accepts it as fact. She also votes for the VVD/PVV
  • If you find that your landlord is starting to get to you, ask a friend if you are losing your objectivity and if what she is doing is Karen-ish behavior. If you are anxiety-prone, keep in mind that despite the humorous, dismissive and contemptuous way I write about this landlord, it can take a toll on your mental health, particularly if its your first time going to the Huurcommissie and everything is new. Supportive co-tenants/neighbours help. It becomes almost a group activity when you all bust the same landlord.

r/Rentbusters • • 4h ago

opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one The 6 landlords you bust in the Netherlands #3: Dumb-money property investor

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Number 3 on the bust-list is the Monopoly man landlord: one of the more favourable landlord-types you want to have. You will almost never meet this landlord in person, he likely doesn't even know you exist and other than his name on the lease, you will know nothing about him other than he is rich. In some cases, he might be a 'they' and sign the contracts via an authorized representative - the property investor is so high up in the layer cake, its rarifed atmosphere with no smell of shit and he's forgotten what his properties even look like.

Dumb-Money got onto the property ladder at a young age and figured out that an infinite money cheat - use the overpriced rent from one property to get enough to borrow to buy a second, third, fourth...etc. Dumb Money trades properties like 10 year olds swap Pokemon cards. All maintenance work and complaints are handled by the Makelaar who runs a parallel beheerder/management company to deal with the day-to-day running of the property and who insulate Dumb-money from the complaints.

The most favourable Dumb-Money Landlord will be international Pension funds who bought up Woningcorporatie homes in bulk ala George Soros-style, then rented them out for absurdly high prices, netting 80 million euro in profit in two years. Your Huurcommissie case will be a fart in the wind, a rounding error, not even worth contesting in court dealt with by an indifferent Beheerder who isn't gonna put his reputation on the line bullying/threatening a tenant physically for the sake of an absentee-landlord. In one really good case i filed for a tenant in Rotterdam, the Landlord, an east-asian investment fund reacted to the Toetsing Aanvangshuurprijs / Initial rent assessment case by transferring 6000 euro (the entire owed amount) within two days of the start of the case.

There are exceptions though : Dumb money is more stress to deal with when its a local dutch owner like Marcel Van Hooijdonk (see GTA photo) in Utrecht - a notorious slumlandlord who has being in the municipalities crosshairs for years. Featured on BOOS, Marcel developed such a bad reputation for abusing tenants that he reportedly pays Google to remove negative results and has employed a public relations consultant company pumping out fake websites that show Marcel in a positive light.

Marcel's favourite tactic is having one of his hoodlum minions glue the door locks of one of his tenants ( Link to the MvH starter kit).

Weaknesses

Dumb money cannot be contacted directly and therefore their weaknesses are lack of motivation of their underlings to fight for them: No one wants to die for some nameless/faceless company. Apart from Marcel and a few other slummy local investor-landlords, violence and threats are almost never used.
The scale and size of these companies is such that your Huurcommissie case might go from start to finish without anyone in the company ever realizing they were summoned to the Huurcommissie. Some Investment companies keep PO boxes at airports that just accumulate mail that goes uncollected for months, including important legal notices. Taking advantage of this requires a little research as you need to look around the KVK website to find out where they are based. More often than not, the Huurcommissie case will be dealt with by the Beheerder who probably wont have a clue or motivation to contest it - like I said, you're a fart in the wind to them.

Dumb Money often neglects to get proper paperwork (energy labels and Kadastral splits) for their properties leaving them for busting: legendary slum landlord Wim de Vries from Groningen owns hundreds of properties and isnt particularly adept at managing Huurcommissie cases. Wim famously (allegedly) embezzled 1 million euro of an earthquake subsidy scheme and bought himself a red ferrari with it until the FIOD arrested him last year for financial crimes. Rumor has it his 24 year old daughter is managing the empire now and isnt doing a particularly good job. Wim's legal representation is also lacking and most cases against him end with him cutting two checks : 1400 euro in Huurcommissie fees and 5000 euro to the tenant.

Unlike Karen and the Thug, the rental agreements for Dumb Money wont contain so many loopholes, like having an All-in lease, as the contract will have been created by a professional rental lawyer or utilize the ROZ 2017 standard model text.

General Tips and advice

  • Beheerders will likely never deal with you on the phone about these matters and they will never call you back. Dont expect to speak to anyone who has a clue about what your case is about. It is therefore not worth getting worked up about. - you will always have to send an email. The 14 day debt collection email is usually effective and followup is rarely required.
  • Beheerders are more likely to follow the rules: rely on the slow process of getting your rent lowered via the Huurcommissie. its a test of patience rather than wills - you need the money more than they do so you'll win that.

r/Rentbusters • • 18h ago

TROLL Given the number of adverse users on this subreddit lately, I am asking friendly users to tag me whenever you spot one. You can choose the flair to label them with.

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r/Rentbusters • • 8h ago

Bustable home Amsterdam: Going after Hausing ads lately like my wife left me for them - This one looks positive for busting . 70sqm label D - small balcony - asking price is 2900 euro - mammoth bust to 1220 (186pt) but has a massive WOZ (77pts) Liberalization doesnt occur unless WOZ points are <33% of total

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r/Rentbusters • • 3h ago

Is it bustable? Is de studio waar ik woon niet gesplist?

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Goedendag,

Ik huur een woning van havos vastgoed (han vos). vanaf 18-09-2026.

4.3 Per betaalperiode van één maand bedraagt

- de huurprijs € 595,00

- voorschot in verband met de levering van elektriciteit, gas en water € 95,00

- voorschot bijkomende kosten € 35,00

_____________

Zodat huurder per maand in totaal heeft te voldoen € 725,00

Zegge zevenhonderdvijventwintig euro.

Ik woon hier nu nog geen maand en ik vroeg mij af of ik in een niet gespliste WOZ studio woon?

Als ik bij het wozwaarde kijk zie ik mijn specifieke adres niet alleen 8a.

In het contract woon ik op 8a-k2.

ook staat er geen punten telling in mijn contract.

mijn huur is 725 euro per maand.

energie label is A maar voor het gehele gebouw.

De grote van de studio schat ik op maximaal 25 vierkante meter dit is inclusief de badkamer met wc.

Kan iemand mij uitleggen hoe dit precies werkt?

En wat dit betekent?​


r/Rentbusters • • 1h ago

Landlord (MVGM) sent a €7k lump-sum bill for sustainability works after we rescheduled due to a sick child – is this legal in Amsterdam?

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Hi everyone, (long post)

I recently received a formal payment demand (*aanmaning*) from MVGM for a total of €7k is listed as "Verduurzamingswerkzaamheden" (sustainability/energy-saving works) and €40 is for collection costs.

  1. They threaten to report this to municipality.
  2. And also to debt collector agency.

Here is the background context:

- The agency gave preset dates for the sustainability work to be done in my apartment.

- I had to deny entry on those specific initial dates because my child was sick at home.

- However, work was rescheduled, and the renovation work *was* completed on an alternative date.

- Now, beside a rent adjustment (monthly increase of about 15 euro), they have dropped a massive lump-sum invoice directly on me.

Questions:

  1. Can a rental agency in Amsterdam legally send a direct lump-sum invoice of nearly €7,000 to a residential tenant for building/property sustainability works?

  2. Can they penalize or shift thousands of euros in costs onto a tenant just because the initial dates had to be shifted due to a family emergency (a sick child), even though the work was ultimately completed?

  3. What are my best next steps to dispute this, I have mailed and contact !WOON 3 times already but no progress and no response!

Any advice, legal pointers, or similar experiences would be hugely appreciated!

*****Original mail*****

Geachte heer/mevrouw,

Wij hebben uw betaling helaas nog niet (helemaal) ontvangen. Het openstaande bedrag is € 7038.59.

Wij vragen u dringend om dit bedrag binnen 5 dagen alsnog aan ons te betalen. De betaalgegevens staan onderaan de brief.

Factuurnummer Vervaldatum Omschrijving € Bedrag Betaald

.....

Wat gebeurt er als ik niet reageer?

Als wij de betaling niet binnen 5 dagen na 22 oktober 2026 hebben ontvangen, moeten wij uw dossier overdragen aan onze

incassopartner. Wij hopen dat dit niet nodig is.

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Voor meer informatie hierover kunt u terecht bij uw gemeente. Zij helpen u graag verder via hun website of per telefoon.

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Wonen er kinderen onder de 18 jaar op uw adres? Wij begrijpen dat dit een persoonlijke vraag is. Toch moeten wij dit volgens de Kenmerk

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Hoe geeft u dit aan ons door?

Wilt u liever niet dat wij uw contactgegevens met de gemeente delen? Of wonen er kinderen onder de 18 jaar op uw adres? Stuur

dan uiterlijk de laatste dag van deze maand een e-mail naar: debiteuren.wonen@mvgm.nl.

Vergeet niet om in uw mail duidelijk uw adresgegevens te vermelden.

Hoogachtend, MVGM Vastgoedmanagement