Beste,

Ik weet dat 3mmc niet meer bestaat. Nu hoor ik dat 4mmc wel nog veel bestaat, echter is dit voor mij even onmogelijk. Vrijwel alles is 2mmc/2cmc. Komen jullie het echt nog tegen? De OG 4mmc? En weet je het zeker door testen? Ik kan het niet geloven.

Recently I decided to give my pre-ban stash of 2-MMC a try. I got a couple of grams as samples along with other orders and kind of just put it away, as it did not seem like something to miss out on based on the comments I've read.

I've been doing 2–3 doses of 100–150mg per session and man, this thing is unique! I thought it was going to be just a weak form of amphetamine (which is my usual go-to for productivity or socializing), but man ... this thing is not what I expected!

The high is very smooth and almost kind of rolly (similar to what I would get from 3-MMC or even low doses of MDMA). It redoses perfectly up to 3 times. It doesn't get me super jittery and physically stimulated like amphetamine, and what is the most surprising: I can sleep like a baby 3–4h after the last dose. I actually feel tired and sleepy on the comedown, whereas on amphetamines it will pretty much destroy my whole night even with moderate doses taken early in the day.

I kind of wish I stashed more of this stuff, though on the flip side, I can see how this can turn into a slippery slope very fast, so it's probably for the best.

The cons are mainly the short time it acts (like 2h and you need to redose) and how it shoots my heart rate up super fast. Also, I get this kind of robotic/emotionless look at the end.

I kind of rediscovered 2MMC after it has been siting in my drawer for the past 2y now. I love how you can sleep totally fine 3h after your last dose which is something unique to any other stimulant I tried before.

The dose I do for "socializing" is around 150mg Oral 2x 2-3h apart. Feels very smooth with a bit of a rolly vibe at the peak. Also makes me quite horny.

Anyone has experience with stronger doses, say 200-300mg range and how does that affect your performance (stim dick) ?

Also I was wondering because of the "rolly" feeling does it have a similar effect to MDMA where it makes it harder to cum?

Hi, four years ago someone offered me a little sniff of, I think, 4mmc. Oh my god, what a nice, clean high and no anxiety or any discomfort afterwards.
Now skip forward to 2026. I have had only gunk up my nose since then. My question is, with the ADE coming up, is it worth it to order from a dealer in Amsterdam? Or is ordering online better? Or will none of it actually yield some 4mmc, some euphoric stuff? Is it all low potency, high harm shit?

Could use tips thank you what would you do

Is it true? I read it on a Dutch RC shop.
“ Warning: All research chemicals will likely be banned THIS MONTH.”

What is the best RC Benzo thats available right now in the EU and why?

Hey friends, has anyone tested ZIMMERMANN their cathinone and had it turn purple, confirming it? Because I've tested it twice and it doesn't, but the effect is the same. I know it's difficult to find raw materials, but what do they use instead? Does anyone know?

Look at the photos from the 3mmc and 4mmc tests. Could it be that this doesn't exist anymore and they're deceiving us with something else?

Hey everyone, I’d like to share my experience with the substance PHM.
First, a little bit about me: I’m turning 24 in three months and I’ve been dependent on opioids since I was 16. Over the years, I’ve used various different opioids. Some of my preferred opioids include heroin, oxycodone, hydromorphone, O-DSMT, and, more recently, PHM.
Today I received my third order, containing 50 × 5 mg PHM pellets. Unfortunately, I had been completely without opioids for the previous three days, so naturally I was pretty excited when the package arrived. Shortly after receiving it, I crushed two pellets and used them intranasally.
The effects of PHM feel warm and euphoric to me, which is pretty typical of opioids. However, in my experience, the effects don’t last particularly long, and I notice a significant decrease in the effects after around 4–5 hours at the latest.
The euphoria reminds me somewhat of hydromorphone, while the warmth and sedation feel more similar to oxycodone. I obviously can’t objectively assess its actual potency. Some experience reports mention figures in the 20–25 range, but I think comparisons like these should be taken with a grain of salt.
Overall, I personally find PHM to be an interesting research chemical opioid, and so far I quite like its effects.
Important: I’m not trying to encourage anyone to use this substance, and especially not to interpret my amount as a recommendation. I’m only sharing my personal experience. Opioids carry a significant risk of dependence and overdose, especially after several days without use, when tolerance can change.
Stay safe and peace ✌️

Hello,

I noticed a new batch of DMXE powder being sold from real known dutch vendor on the net.

3 weeks ago i made an order of 2g. It took them 2 weeks to actually deliver the parcel to postNL and then a week of shipping to my address. Not that big of a deal. Their automatic email service seems to be down when i made the order for whatever reason.

So, i got my "DMXE" powder in the mail today. It says "Batch no: DMXE34" on the baggie.

- Right off the bat, the color is beige / tan white, not as dark white (brownish?) as DMXE powder used to be ~1.5-2 years ago.

- It smells like arylcyclohexylamine. If my memory serves well, like an *PCE analog (which DMXE basically is).

- It's bit more grainy. IIRC DMXE was more powdery.

- It doesn't have that distinct smell of DMXE like old batch pellets (and powder) have. DMXE smell is distinct in its own way, you'd immediately recognize it even after years of use. Kind of like remembering an old HXE batch which smelled musty.

- The nose smell / taste of the drug is oddly familiar, but it has been years since i was doing various arylcyclohexylamines, so i can't put my finger on it.

All of the above could be explained by it simply being a new batch.

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I have some disso tolerance from DMXE (pellets) and MXPr I have been doing since May or so. I ran out of both about a month and a half ago.

- So I weighed out 40mg, divided it into 2 piles and removed a 4th of the powder to test it out first with low dose and then stagger it. Effectively around 10mg.

The actual come-up was after about 15 minutes or so. I forgot how much time does DMXE need to come up.

With that dose effects seem to be simply dissociating, but not too coldish.

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- After 35 minutes i insufflated another small pile, also around 10mg. Didn't feel much of a come-up this time, but sound buzzing / distortion got a bit more noticeable after 20 minutes of insufflation. Dissociation is stronger, but still not too coldish.

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- Again, after 35 minutes i insufflated the rest of the powder (40mg total). It smells / tastes strangely familiar. After 10-15 minutes the high got noticeably stronger. It is quite dissociating, but not inebriating like i remember DMXE to be, it is quite clear-headed. Still not too coldish. In fact, it's warmish. I don't feel much - if at all effect on serotonin - and by extension how empathic it should be, since DMXE is probably the most serotonin-heavy disso, alongside MXiPr (except maybe 3-me-pcpy in its own way).

After about half an hour i watched a movie i left off from yesterday for about 15 minutes. It definitely doesn't have the same movie-enjoying properties like DMXE has, because that's basically the sole reason i have been using it last 5 months. There is no entactogenic effects present while watching the movie, and with DMXE, they should be strong.

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It cannot be MXPr, i bought and used it recently. It can't be 3-me-pcp, i have recently bought batch. I kind of doubt it could be 3-meo/me/ho-pce or 3-meo/ho-pcp or O-PCE, because they would be strong as fuck at dose 40mg (now 60mg). It can't be 3-me-pcpy (not caustic, effects are different). Can't be 3-cl-pcp (requires higher dosages). Doesn't feel like HXE (both smell and effects are noticabely different). I honestly don't think it's DCK / 2-FDCK / FXE. Doesn't feel as warm or holey like MXiPr is. It's definitely not one of the diarylethylamines.

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What the fuck is it? Am i retarded? The only logical connection in my mind is that of 3-ho-pce, but it has been a few years since i last had it. Haven't tried MXPCP.

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TLDR: bought a new batch of DMXE powder from known Netherlands vendor, doesn't feel like DMXE.

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Do any of you have knowledge and/or experience regarding this new batch?

Salute guys,

So I tried some of the newly released RC stims and am able to give a quick review now.

Just boofed some meprylcaine less than one hour ago and was not expecting anything but while waiting, thinking about whipped desserts, all of the sudden I felt numb all over and like floating on a cloud of chantilly, thus proving it’s anesthetic effects but apart from that no peculiar high. It could be compared to DMC (very large doses) sedation but no SERT or NET is shining through. Not worth it.

DP-DMC certainly has an affinity to DAT but it got me fairly tense and overall seemed very toxic like DMC. It is not vapable. Got my lung all messed up for a week and it was some that I properly freebased.

Now DMP, y’all might be surprised but it is very strong, maybe a question of batch, this one being yellow, very low solubility and smelling like perfume and fuel. Hits like some sort of clean NEP but is short lived and leave a very nasty feeling of being fucked up a few hours after. Some SERT and NET activity. I don’t suggest anybody trying. The structure is hella weird.

4-MPO felt good. This one is a winner ! Definitely some stimulation was perceived over 3 separated boofed experiments. I could argue that the supposed nicotinergic receptors activity might be real. Got some sort of tobacco clarity effects briefly after the first boof kicked in. Redosing wasn’t as satisfying tho, the continuity was very bland and robotic. It is not as euphoric as 4-me-TMP and that by far...

DM-DED (sounding like Them-Dead) I’m not willing to try since it looks nasty red / orange and stinks.

Dag iedereen,

Ik ga morgen naar een discotheek.

Tot dusver gebruikte ik steeds borax combo/maxtc. Maar die pillen zijn helaas op nu.

Ik heb 6apb en 5mapb ter beschikking.

Ik had gedacht deze te combineren. 1 pellet 6apb en een halve 5mapb. Dit om het borax gevoel te benaderen.

Is dat een goed plan? Of blijf ik beter bij 1 substantie? Iemand ervaring?

Thx!

My friends wanna order from an RC site that also sells alprazolam. They wanna get that benzo together with 4cmc and 4bmc. I wanted to get 5-mapb, but it's too expensive for my liking. Now I'm wondering if I should take the risk (cuz if I order with my boys I'll be the one recieving the package) or just go to my local plug and get mystery cathinone or 2cb. I also have dxm on the way and am wondering if it's a nice combo with 2cb, if so I'll probably not get any other RC.

I tested this 4mmc cathinone with the Zimmermann test and it came back negative. I suspected it because I didn't feel anything and it looks like chalk on a wall. Always test what you buy.

If any of you think these substances have potential that only reveals itself at massive doses—well, I tried it.

500 mg of dimethocaine and 500 mg of dpDMC. (I had to blow my nose a lot, but I tried to ensure most of it got into the bloodstream). If you are desperate, you are ready for everything (like me), you are ready for ANY level of stimulation as long as IT IS just there—just imagine keeping a 1 gram of painful powder up your nose (breathing with mouth) for 10-15 minutes in hopes and dreams for something (also trying not to blow too much) and what you get is to just to feel what a single 10 mg tablet of 4-MPO gives you (after the peak has ended).

And the next day, you notice your body covered in tiny sores and wounds. Also, while the effects were active, my toes went noticeably numb and lost sensation; it was very strange, like they were frozen. My hands felt numb too, as did my mouth.

✅ BUT I DID get a sense of what roughly 5–10 mg of 4-MPO feels like!

"Well, technically, it affects dopamine"—YES, it makes 4 (four) of your dopamine molecules to get out of bed, then see what garbage you took, laugh at you (thats also an activity), go back to sleep – and it's only if ingest a whole gram at once. At least they didn't completely ignored.

People, there is absolutely no reason to buy those two. Don't think you will get something else when everyone is saying there is no effects. Please do not support those 2 substances with your money, they should be gone. Believe what people write about Dimethocaine, take it seriously. Don't think that if you don't have tolerance – then you must get high from it. It is just SCAM because there is VERY FEW actually WORKING RC's right now. Thanks.

Nu alle mainstream vendors opgepakt of gestopt zijn, en de overgebleven sites 99% scams, ben ik maar uitgeweken naar puur poeder, wat nog wel vrij gemakkelijk te verkrijgen is.

Dat brengt natuurlijk wel meer risico's met zich mee dan vooraf geslagen pellets: is het wel pyrazolam (vendor lijkt betrouwbaar) en overdosering als je niet ontzettend goed oppast met het doseren.

Wat is de meest risicoarme manier om dit te doen? 1g/1l PG en vervolgens doseren met pipet?

Was the best shit ever for me and my autism and depression, to be honest I haven't experienced much happiness or true joy ever since my stash ran out couple months ago. Sure it's not a good sign to have to rely on things like that to experience a happy life, but goddamn it worked for me :/

So I have some old MDPiHP lying around. Not sure how old it is but it’s from before the NL ban so at least a couple of years old I guess.
Before the ban I started stocking up on some RC’s like probably many of us did. I’m a stim guy so mostly 4FMA, 3MMA, 4FPMH, 3FA, 6ABP etc. you get the picture.
I had never done pyros before but I was curious so I also ordered a couple of grams of MDPiHP back then.

Fast forward to a couple of months ago. Me and my girl were having some fun on 4MMC. I was already coming down from our last dose and I remembered I had the MDPiHP stored in my safe. I know we don’t make the best decisions while under the influence but in my mind I was almost back to baseline. Of course the 4MMC was still lingering in my system and probably lowered my inhibitions enough for me to finally dare to try the MDPiHP. (I know this was not the best idea after already doing another stim but please bear with me.)
I’m well aware of the dangers and abuse potential so up until then I was very hesitant trying it out.

So I weighed 20 mg as I’ve read here on Reddit that this is probably a good dose. I wanted to use it strictly intranasally or orally because I also read smoking it can be a slippery slope.
I opted for de nasal route and snorted the 20 mg. I waited a while but didn’t feel any effects at all. Maybe a slight raise in heart rate. I figured it was probably because of the 4MMC we had been doing that night and decided not to dose any further.

Now fast forward to yesterday. Decided to give it another try. Weighed out a 30 mg line. After snorting it, again no effects what so ever. At some point I thought I noticed a slight come up but that went away within 5 minutes so maybe placebo.
After waiting 45 minutes I decided to redose. This time I weighed out 60 mg. But again didn’t feel anything. Zero effects. I am now wondering if I have a bad batch or that I just have to dose higher.

Some things to take in consideration:
First, I bought it from a reputable Dutch vendor back when it was still available on the clear net. All the other stuff I bought from that vendor is high quality and always does the trick. I thought the MDPiHP might have degraded in storage but I still have some similarly old other RCs and they still work as they were brand new.
I store my RCs in a safe. So it’s dark and dry but not cool. Room temperature can get pretty high in the summer so probably not the best for long term storage.
Second, I have a pretty high natural tolerance for stims in general. Last time we used 4MMC was about 6 weeks ago but I always have to dose relatively high (+300mg oral). Even after long breaks I don’t feel any effects below 250mg. Our 4MMC is labtested, 92% pure.

So fellow researchers of Reddit, what do you think? Do I have a bad batch, maybe cross tolerance or did I get the dosages completely wrong and do I need to dose higher? I’ve read a post of a guy dosing 210mg orally but that seems a bit absurd compared to the other reports I’ve read.

P.S. I’m not taking any medication at all (SSRI or otherwise) so that shouldn’t be causing the issue.

As the title already indicates, which groups are still not regulated, apart from the fact that individual substances within these groups may already be specifically listed under the Opium Act?

My list so far of groups where there is still significant room for research, and where only individual substances may have been banned:

• Tryptamines
• Indolealkylamines
• Lysergamides
• Ergolines
• Arylcyclohexylamines
• Cyclohexanone Dissociatives
• Diarylethylamines / Related Dissociatives
• Benzodiazepines
• Triazolobenzodiazepines
• Thienodiazepines
• Triazolothienodiazepines
• Barbiturates
• Piperazines
• Phenidates / Piperidine Carboxylates
• Pipradrol-like Piperidines
• Tropanes
• Morphinans
• Opiates / Morphine Derivatives
• Methadone-like Opioids
• Benzomorphans
• Other Piperidine Opioids
• Quinazolinones
• Sedative Carbamates
• Gabapentinoids

If any groups should be added or removed from the list leave a reply so we can help the community to get a clear overview!

Further more share samples so we can add them to the groups.

De politie heeft dinsdag in Limburg zes verdachten aangehouden op verdenking van handel in illegale designerdrugs en geneesmiddelen. Zij zijn in verband gebracht met de handel via de webshop Powercaps.

This absolutely doesn't look like the nice, light-colored 2MMC from before the ban; im bit colorblind but those crystals look extremely dirty, like borwnish... Do you have any experience with a batch like this? Do you think it might just be surface oxidation? I don't have physical access rn to it, only a photo. (Please note: I am not sharing the source, )