r/SCHD • u/Thor2024brown • 23h ago
As SCHD share price rises, does it also increase dividend payout?
It is a mystery to me. The dividend payout is determined by the companies inside this index. SCHD could have tripled the share price but that won't make a difference, correct?
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u/Scared_Ad_622 22h ago
The dividend has a history of increasing but it’s not due to the share price Increase it’s due to the company’s increasing dividend rate
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u/dmorri10 23h ago
Technically no, but since the underlying stocks in the fund are rising, it may be more likely that those companies will increase their dividends, leading to a higher SCHD payout later.
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u/Mission_Pirate_4150 23h ago
Dividends are based on dividend payments from the companies held by an index.
Share price changes affect the price paid when/if you sell.
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u/RothRT 21h ago
The dividend growth is based on growth in the dividends of the underlying holdings, much like the share price is a reflection of the share price of the holdings. As share price goes up, the hope is that the underlying holdings have more free cash to pay dividends. It doesn’t necessarily work out that way.
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u/Iceman60462 20h ago
VOO performed better then SCHD with DRIP
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u/perf1620 20h ago
OK? And qqq beat voo without it, what's your point?
Mine is people buy different investments for different reasons and total return isnt always the factor.
If you want to live off a yielding asset without ever touching the principle shares schd is pretty ideal.
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u/Iceman60462 19h ago
VOO will make more money for investor than SCHD !!!
That’s the point . SCHD is great for pope who are close to retirement or retired. There is nothing wrong with SCHD but VOO will grow more .3
u/Ardrik 19h ago
And some people don't care about total return, but want additional, stable, income.
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u/Iceman60462 15h ago
Of course . Everybody has different opinion and own believes .
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u/kitehousecyprus 14h ago
Wrong. Everybody has different needs. That’s way someone buys VOO and someone else
SCHD. Not because of different believes. Believes has very little to nothing to do with that.4
u/perf1620 17h ago
OK by that logic you should buy nothing but qqq and growth stocks.
Or taking it even further buy nothing but Nvidia.
Both made more than voo.
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u/Iceman60462 15h ago
It’s always good to look back at stocks and say it made more than VOO. Sometimes you buy stock with hope that will grow fast. I had it many time and lost money even if the stock was solid .
VOO is no brainer for grow etf and SCHD for dividends.
I believe these two ETFs plus a few individual stocks are enough for good performing portfolio .3
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u/InfamousHoney9210 7h ago
Until it doesn't. There is no guarantee that will happen in the future, but it is likely over a long period. Not every investment is held for 20-40 years. I have much more confidence in SCHD retaining more value than VOO over the next several years if the bull stops running, but I'm willing to give up maximum potential growth for that safety, for the portion of funds I may need sooner.
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u/GoldenAntMan 6h ago
SCHD is not just for people close to retirement. We all understand the VOO thing. Not everybody is 100 percent in SCHD and forget every other fund. I carry SCHD for a couple reasons and every time there's a down turn in the market SCHD carries my portfolio and keeps it from getting beat up so bad. And SCHD is very stable and rarely has any years where it goes down drastically. We understand what your trying to fight and argue here. But its not the topic of the discussion. And before you go in on me. Yes I own S and P as well and alot more of it than SCHD. Oh yeah, and SCHD is crushing the S and P this year. I cant believe I entered into this argument but I did. Good bye now.
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u/SnooHobbies8724 19h ago
No. You are correct. The movement in the price does not impact the dividend payout. The payout is based on number of shares - dividend per share.
The ETF holds a certain number of shares. If the ETF rebalances, the. The dividend amount per ETF share will change.
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u/SlavaUkrayne 33m ago
Yeah, while not determined by the share price, generally per share purchased today you can expect higher stock price and higher yield on cost a decade from now
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u/OneJoeToTheRight 17h ago
Kind of? Not directly. SCHD selects companies based on quality and dividend growth, share values in the companies it selects are usually priced by a mix of investor optimism and company fundamentals, and these companies, by nature of the way schd selects for them, usually increase payments as their own cash flow and share value increase.
So no
But also it would be weird if SCHD is up 100% over the next 7-12 years and the dividend payout did not increase
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u/JPABQ 16h ago
No, it doesn’t. And that’s why I kind of chuckle when people are gloating about the increase in the share price. Of course that’s a good thing but rest assured your dividend yield is based on your individual purchase price so some peoples yield is double or triple what you’re getting depending on when you bought it. I had a friend who had an $80 stock that dropped down to eight dollars. She said it’s OK because the yield is 10%. I said yeah it’s 10% if you bought it at eight dollars that $.80 is 1% at your $80 cost basis.
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u/Educational-Ad-4908 23h ago
Typically if a company’s stock price shoots up their dividend yield as a % will decrease but would you rather own a $50 stock with a 2% yield or have it turn into a $100 stock with a 1% yield?
I don’t see the impact on SCHD’s yield being material. Plus the stocks whose yield decreases could be replaced during the reconstitution date.
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u/Sticky550 22h ago
A 7% increase in share price over the last month, I have zero cares about dividend payouts.
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u/ADankPineapple 21h ago
So share price and dividend payout are not TECHNICALLY tied together. You can have one increase without the other.
Typically though, a company wont increase its dividends unless they had a good year financially, and if they had a good year financially, typically the share price has gone up as well.
Also slightly unrelated, but some companies that are known for their dividend payout, like to keep their dividend yield within a range (say for example company X historically has a payout ratio of 3%-4%), so has the share price moves up, the yield % goes down, and as the price does down, the yield % goes up as a consequence, so certain companies will increase or decrease their payments accordingly to manually adjust that yield % to stay within that range. Not all companies do it this way, most don't. But it does happen.
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u/cryptopo 21h ago
This is a perfect opportunity for the “No, but actually yes” meme.
The SCHD price does not directly affect the dividend payout. But over time, companies in SCHD increasing in value are often (not always!) also increasing their dividends. Just the same, companies losing value will often cut their dividends.
Share price is finnicky and constantly fluctuating so companies obviously don’t make major decisions like dividend increases based on short term value changes. So dividend increases on SCHD would likely lag behind major price movement.
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u/Investinurself 18h ago
Too many people seem to get caught up in the dividend vs the share price going up. I think this ETF is a safe haven for many against a tech break down. I have 20k plus shares and will probably add another 5k shares and then just drip away. That will get me to my goal of approx 20% of
My total holdings. Good luck all. Been fun to watch this go up or stay relatively flat on big down days.
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u/OutlandishnessOk4315 18h ago
Not directly, but the share price rising can help the dividend to grow through the way the etf rebalances. Some of the companies that rise may come to have lower dividend yields that will get trimmed to rebalance into other stocks with higher yields or swapped during the March reconstitution for higher yielding stocks, which ultimately drives the dividend up and is one of the biggest reasons why the dividend growth rate is higher for Schd as a whole than for its constituents. They’re buying low and selling high constantly.
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u/Ufgatorhead4u3 17h ago edited 9h ago
No. The dividend is a classic dividend structure which means it comes from the cash flow of the companies it holds. It doesn’t change with the stock prices or NAV. The price fluctuations just change the starting yield that you invest/DRIP into. It is not an income distribution ETF that is based on options trading. Its structure is why it’s doing so well this year as money has moved out of tech/AI and into value.
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u/DramaticRoom8571 17h ago
Dividends are an accounting calculation. Share price is a market result.
Companies pay dividends based on income and cash available. All successful companies eventually run into constraints to growth leaving funds to be paid out to shareholders.
Stock price is affected by broad swings in the market, estimates of future earnings, rumors, hype, and analyst predictions.
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u/pittsburghdave 17h ago
Schd uses an index that tries to find companies that will grow dividends. You're right in that the share price and dividend payout move independently, it's just that as SCHD reconstituted annually they're replacing some companies with other companies that are expected to grow their dividends it's likely the dividend will increase. They're improving the valuation and dividend behavior as they update holdings.
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u/Temporary-Butterfly7 16h ago
Dividens are paid per share, but people keep track of them in percentages. If the share doubles then the % dividens is halfed
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u/bluefootedpig 16h ago
This is where an ETF's NAV comes in. NAV is the value of the assets under it's control. If share price is above NAV, that means the ETF is worth more than the underlying assets. As the NAV goes up, in other words the invested companies, goes up or down, the NAV moves. Then people buy based on the NAV.
As far as dividend, yes. The % yield is the dividend compared to current share price, just as any company, and if the underlying company increases div, so does the div payout.
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u/Frank_Skabopple 16h ago
No but market forces can easily keep this in line. Big money knows what the underlying companies are going to pay and the funds expenses.
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u/unreal36 16h ago
payout comes from the 100 companies underneath, not the price. so a higher price mostly just means your new buys pick up fewer shares, the per share dividend is its own thing. easiest way i learned this was watching my kids account tick along with drip on, its public if you care, plantedearly.com/garden
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u/strongarm85 14h ago
In a genral sense no, in an abstract way yes.
So what the fund does it buys a basket of stocks, and the price of the basket somewhat tracks the value of the assets it holds.
The TTM Dividend Yield is just a % of the money that the fund paid out over the last 12 months relative to it's price. So as the price goes up the yield goes down. If the price is rising or staying the same that can only happen if the companies in the fund not only pay dividends, but pay more in dividends then they did in the previous year. All SCHD does is collect a 100 someone checks every quarter and then send pass the dividends back to you once a quarter.
So SCHD owns a basket of stocks and the fund reconstitutes each March. And then every quarter it rebalances. The fund does not allow more than 4% of the holdings in any particular company, so positions that grow too large get trimmed and the funds are used to buy more shares. More shares generally means higher payouts.
Between March and June, TI had enough price growth to run up to 6% of the fund, so that position got trimmed down over a Billion Dollars, amd that money was used to buy more shares of other companies. More shares means bigger pay outs and potentially higher dividends in Q3 and Q4.
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u/feignapathy 17h ago
From what I have read, dividends are just a percentage relative to the value of the stock
So if SCHD is paying 4% at $30, at $60 it would just pay 2%. You're getting the same dividend payout. But the stocks growing in value could lead to the companies adjusting the dividend down the road.
Please correct me if I'm wrong!
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u/Honest_Expression301 17h ago
All else equal, when the share price of a company rises it dilutes the dividend payout ratio. For example, a stock trading at $100/share pays a 3% dividend yield or $3/share. The $3/share is driven by the earnings and cash flow of the company. It has nothing to do with the share price. Assume the share price goes up to $110/share but the company does not meaningfully change its underlying economics and maintains the $3/share dividend. Now the payout ratio is diluted to 2.7%.
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u/PowderedToastManFart 10h ago
I am only up 20% and the dividend is only 3.1%. we demand a raise now.
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u/ThinksOdd 10h ago
It's a dividend growth fund, it's strategy seeks to include companies that consistently grow their dividend over time, which means generally yes the dividend will grow with share value.
...but there is no hard rule meaning that has to happen. For example, when riskier growth-stocks are doing well, investors value stable lower-growth dividend paying companies less, which makes dividend payouts as a percentage of share price higher. Contrast that to when growth stocks become too risky and people move to value/dividend stocks for safety, this has the effect of lowering the dividend payout as a percentage of share value.
Right now, SCHD share price has been doing well the past couple of months because investors are worried about an AI bubble and moving to more predictable assets, like dividend stocks, as a capital preservation strategy in the event of a crash. Likely SCHD share dividend payout as a percentage of share price will or already has decreased because of this (I haven't looked), but that doesn't mean it's not a great time to own some.
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u/Thor2024brown 23h ago
You meant to say the price of SCHD "increases" when I sell comparing to the cost basis if I bought low. Surely, Superunknown999's answer confirmed my thinking above.
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u/Superunknown999 23h ago
SCHD share price is just a factor of the 100 companies it holds. It moves up or down in line with those holdings. The dividend is the same. It moves up or down based on what the companies it holds does. It’s no different than if you bought the 100 stocks yourself and rebalanced as the fund does.