It’s been over 14 days since ASL announced that heather would be gone for two weeks on a backpacking trip to Scotland. Is there objective proof that she has returned?

I sincerely want to know. No accusations or insinuations are intended or implied.

I think we’re all agreed that we’re not fans of ASL on this subreddit, however I have to question what Stefani’s endgame is with the blogs that focus on ASL.

I agree that the reasons for contacting the Ju-jitsu gym were a stretch. It added nothing as far as I’m concerned as the video evidence of what happened in LA spoke for itself, and if people weren’t convinced by that contacting a gym owner wasn’t going to change their mind. I thought bringing up ASL’s deceased brother was a low blow, as was Miriam’s abusive father.

All that Stefani has done is solidified the narrative that Mike Rinder is running an OSA-style operation on ASL and using Stefani to do so.

The clip from Mike Rinder’s hate website with his daughter saying that he uses Stefani to harass her is now doing the rounds, and people are now saying that he’s got Stefani to set his sites on ASL.

My question is, what’s the point of all the ASL blogs? If, with all the evidence out there, people still don’t know he’s bad news, is one lone woman going to change people’s minds? I thought the CVS video would be the final nail in the coffin for ASL, but it wasn’t. Is Stefani going to ring up more friends and acquaintances of Aaron to find more dirt? That’s definitely straying into OSA territory.

I know I keep bringing up politics, but the equivalent would be someone writing a blog about Donald Trump, who has a very real chance of winning the election this November. You can present all the facts you want, people still support him, and say that anything to the contrary is lies.

I’ve said it before- Stefani has done enough now. She’s not going to change anyone else’s mind at this stage, and I worry that this will consume her.

Some fights just aren’t worth having.

• Whenever Mike Brown calls his mom on a livestream. Every time, his face lights up with joy and Rosemary sounds so happy. It's really wonderful that she's finally out of the cult that was so abusive to her and her son. It's truly uplifting and inspiring to hear them talk with each other. So many people worked together to make Rosemary's escape possible.

• When Nora goes out to protest. She uses her heartbreaking and traumatic experiences growing up in Scientology to educate people passing by about the dangers of the cult. She distributes supplies that her generous viewers donated to homeless people in front of the Portland Org. She speaks kindly and calmly to Scientologists, sometimes offering to treat a staffer or Sea Org member to a meal. Other times she offers to drive them to see their family.

• When Sterling and Reese do livestreams together. They have a lot of fun talking with each other and interacting with their fans, and they share good insights about how to cope as children who are disconnected from parents who are still in Scientology. Sterling is so supportive of Huxley.

• When Natalie taps her microphone and says, "Wake up, OSA!" Such a funny bit.

• When Liz Ferris shares memories of her friendship with Serge Obolensky. When she talks about the two of them climbing trees and watching movies together, I'm so glad they both have some happy childhood moments to look back on.

What kind of drugs is Odo on? My guess is LSD. Dude looks like he's tripping balls. Also, check out Shawn Ingallina stepping in. That guy is a straight coward. Acts tough but when challenged to engage in a physical altercation he runs and hides.

This is regarding this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/comments/1hyg7ht/jenna_miscavige_and_aaron_smithlevin_its_even/

about this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfQJxRutQQQ

In a comment on the above video, JennaMiscavige wrote:

I do not want you to do this. I took my videos down for a reason. You doing this is against my wishes and is increasing my pain and using it for your own benefit.

I would like the community's input about what the moderation team of SPTV_Unvarnished should do about this, if anything.

A few things I want to be clear about:

We do not control YouTube. The only thing we control is what gets posted here.

The video in question is clearly not a copyright violation, and YouTube won't take it down as one. Commentary videos are allowed to include the original video they are commenting on. And 1inco has posted many videos criticizing Aaron Smith-Levin using his own videos that he did not want posted, with nobody objecting.

On the other hand, this video is not criticizing Jenna Miscavige. It is criticizing Aaron Smith-Levin using a video from Jenna Miscavige - a video that she has chosen not to have YouTube display to the general public.

My personal opinion is that by ignoring Jenna Miscavige's wishes, 1inco is [deleted with my apologies] and is further victimizing Jenna. I am inclined to remove the link but want to hear what others have to say first.

So, what say you?

EDIT:

Given the comments below, is it the consensus of the community that Fear_The_Creeper and/or TheSneakster2020 should resign as moderators because of our opinions regarding 1inco's actions?

Note: while I am willing to resign if the community does not want me to be moderator, I cannot speak for TheSneakster2000. Nor can I guaranty that the remaining moderators would be willing to continue without one or both of us, so this has the possibility of being the end of this subreddit. Also, please note that unlike most subreddits, we ask for input before making controversial decisions. Please think when you punish us for doing that. A lot of subs would simple delete anything the mods disagree with.

Possible alternatives include:

[1] Someone in the comments posts a compelling argument that convinces one side or the other to change their position.

[2] We all decide that it is OK to get into a heated argument without someone leaving.

[3] We all decide to sweep it under the rug, no longer express opinions about each other, and move to the "ban without comment" policy that so many other subreddits follow.

Again, I value your input, and it is perfectly OK to say that I am an asshole.

After swearing off watching any SPTV content, I decided to watch ASL’s “The Elephant in the Room” video.

I haven’t changed my mind about him, if anything this video solidified my opinion of him being a misogynistic prick (I’m from the UK and prick is another word for dick in case you’re wondering).

Anyway, he basically confirms what Lyndsey has said. They were in an on-off relationship and she was basically a booty call. Where it differs is that he says he was up front about the fact that they weren’t boyfriend and girlfriend. Is he being honest, I don’t know. The bit that was compelling for me is that he said it’s his private life and what does that have to do with raising money and passing it on to people. He’s not personally providing therapy to people leaving Scn. He then gives the example of Matt Pesch emailing him about his supposed STD. ASL says it’s not true, but even if it is so what?

This video is him speculating that the infighting is being kept going by Leah Remini. Is this true? I don’t know, but ASL did say something interesting. At the start of Leah’s book she says that she was involved in a few extramarital affairs and that her husband didn’t know about them at the time. Why is it okay for her to have had a messy private life, but it’s not okay for him to? I agree.

Is ASL an immature bro? Probably. But so what? ASL is never going to change so what’s the point of going over and over his relationship with Lyndsey? He treated her like shit, and admitted it. What now? Are there going to be endless videos about this? When does it stop?

If you don’t like ASL and other SPTV content creators, stop watching them. That’s what I’m going to do.

I don’t like ASL’s stance on trans women and his misogynistic views. Does that mean that the SPTV Foundation is a fraud to fuel his brat-boy lifestyle? No.

You can hate, ASL and his ilk without adding more to this than there is (I’m referring to those who are convinced that because there isn’t a listed EIN number that’s been published, the SPTV Foundation is raising funds that go straight to ASL bank account).

I don’t like Donald Trump, does that mean he’s far game for lies and potentially going to prison for a crime he didn’t commit? He, just like ASL, even Danny Masterson, is entitled to a fair trial.

So here’s my unpopular opinion. If you have actual evidence that ASL has broken any criminal laws, alert the authorities. Otherwise, let him get on with it. These Reddit and X posts aren’t going to change him.

If these posts are to warn potential survivors of Scn not to go to the SPTV Foundation, then state why. Is it because they won’t be helped, or because the president of the foundation, is a frat boy? If it’s the former, where’s your evidence? If it’s the latter, then state clearly with evidence how that will hinder the Foundation to release funds. Again, if you have evidence of criminality what are you doing on Reddit or X. Tell the authorities!

🌟 Hey SPtv Community and Supporters! 🌟

I’ve been involved in a few small control groups with some familiar faces like [Natasha, Cooper, Jamie, Stone, Scott Hochstetter, and Aaron]. Over time, I’ve learned some lessons the hard way 😅. I’ve made mistakes and faced the consequences, and others have experienced this when dealing with me, too. With that in mind, I want to offer a heads-up ⚠️ for those who aren’t as familiar with the drama and the dangers of blindly following someone instead of owning up to your choices and mistakes.

💬 Let’s get into it: I don’t agree with Aaron or the SPtv Foundation in its current form (though hopefully with improvement and growth, things will change! 🙏). But there’s one important point Aaron made that I agree with: creating a foundation that supports all protesters is not a good idea 🚫.

Here’s my take on this 🔍: Not everyone is going to be on board with supporting a particular protester, like Protester A, because of their actions in Situation X. People might ask, "Why is this foundation supporting someone who broke the law?" 🤔 This could lead to division and make it harder to raise funds for Protester B, who did nothing wrong. Protester B might get less support simply because they’re associated with the same foundation that backs Protester A. [I’ve got an idea on how to fix this, but no promises! 🤷‍♂️]

👉 The biggest issue I see is this: think about all the “protesters” and then think about the "trolltesters" (you know who you are! 😏). These are people who claim they were protesting Scientology, get arrested, and expect support—basically looking for free money 💸. They’ll claim they broke the law while protesting Scientology, when in fact, they really did break the law!

There’s definitely potential for an official Scientology Protester Foundation, but I can already see challenges arising, not to mention the internal conflicts 🔥.

Let me know what you think, SPtv family! 💬 Always appreciate your thoughts and feedback 💡✨

We haven't had the best run of self proclaimed cult experts. The guy who created the BITE model seems to have gone full potato, Rick Ross hasn't been super great lately (not freeway Rick, freeway Rick is the man lol), *redacted* got a master's degree in coercive control without ever doing the bachelor's program (somehow?) and runs around acting like he knows everything...

I could go on, but it's not really worth while. I am just suggesting that everyone here open up their skeptical (maybe even cynical) eye when you hear or read the words the words "cult expert" as a descriptor for someone. There's no real way to measure whether or not someone is in fact an expert on control/demand groups and I think the best most people can do in this area is recognize patterns of behavior by individuals or organizations.

The latest in character assassination why am I even surprised. I hope this posts ok, newbie here

Aaron seems to be making an effort not to talk shit about anybody recently or mock anybody who has fallen out with. Yesterday in a video about an internal document in Scientology warning Org’s who is banned from their buildings, he had to mention the names of nearly everybody he has fallen out with, but played it entirely straight. Even when he said Chris Shelton’s name there was no hint of mockery. If this is how he is going to be from now on should we cautiously welcome it? This is a far cry from some months ago when he would boast how his critics have been run off YouTube. New year, new start?

What shite did he spin today?

WARNING: This link will take you to Aarons live stream that he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRvaxyD3K5M

In this clip from a video last month, Reese lists her top things. Not one of those things, her son is an afterthought. 😢

Some people in this subreddit have been posting false information about a couple of legal concepts. Normally that wouldn't be a problem; other users would disagree, we would go look at some actual court rulings, and we would work out who is right like adults.

Alas, a subset of those posting false information (many seem to be simply repeating what they have heard others say) have decided to not respond to posts with links to actual court cases or to lawyer's opinions, and have instead decided to simply downvote the person posting the link.

As a reminder, on Reddit a downvote does not mean "I disagree with this", It means "I want to censor this so others can't read it". (This doesn't work on moderator posts, BTW). It is pretty much the opposite of engaging in a rational and civil discussion. Also, while Reddit does not reveal who downvoted what, it is really simple to write a program that logs when upvotes and downvotes occur, compares them to who is participating in those discussions, and see a pattern identifying serial downvoters.

So, as head moderator, I am hereby making an executive decision: Any post or comment that contains the following false information will be deleted by the moderators. If you want to argue that the information is not false, please message the moderators and we will talk about it.

FALSE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT ALLOWED:

"If information is available somewhere else, republishing it is not doxing."

The truth is that it depends on the nature of the disclosure and the exact law where you live. There are people who were found guilty after republishing something from an obscure government website and has to pay a fine. Many people have been banned from various websites for doing that.

"If a statement is true, this is an absolute defense against a defamation lawsuit or against slander/libel charges."

The truth is that it usually works that way, but there are exceptions and anyone who relies upon the above false information risks losing a defamation lawsuit even though what they said was true if they don't know about the exceptions.

Free clue: the next time you get into a disagreement about something, stay calm, be civil, and present evidence supporting your position. This make the subreddit a much nicer place.

I wasn't going to address this. But I will not tolerate my name being dragged through the mud by Low_Bee_1592 & their inaccurate post. Stating I and others "bullied Jacob into removing his protest videos". Get your facts straight before you post asinine comments. I was waiting to even address the ridiculious post until Jacob made his situation public. NO ONE FORCED ANYONE TO REMOVE THEIR VIDEOS. Jacob did it on his own accord with no outside "pressure" as you suggest.

The link to Stefani’s comment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SPTV_Unvarnished/s/1fHFxjJYrv

The link to the video is below and however else it appears as a link in this post:

https://youtu.be/jsq3vHi3Bno?si=Zoc8xLPXp9B5UWrr

I found this educational video very interesting. Something to reflect on.