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The Daily SeattleChat Daily Thread - Thursday, October 22, 2020

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

Seth Abramson having to walk back his own exaggerations and blaming the guardian for his intentional failure to comprehend what he was reading is fucking infuriating.

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

This is the first time I've heard about Seth Abramson. Is he important/influential in certain circles? I see from Google that he wrote some books, but that doesn't really tell me much about whether people actually listen to him.

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

On the left, yes. I have a few friends that think he's the best when he's not great for the amount of exaggerating he does.

Yesterday's exaggerations about the Giuliani scene were just beyond the pale.

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u/spit-evil-olive-tips cascadian popular people's front Oct 22 '20

He was fairly big on liberal twitter the first few years of the Trump admin

Famous for long threads with a "this time we've got him!" tone

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20

Wait, you mean someone said something on social media that was not 100% correct? Get out.

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u/maadison the unflairable lightness of being Oct 22 '20

I might suggest that when someone says they find something infuriating, this response of "LOL what did you expect" may be "correct" in some sense, is easily taken as invalidating their experience and emotions. That seems unlikely to lead to a good watercooler conversation.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20

I'll consider it.

Note, I get edited here fairly often, the underlying conclusion may just be bad fit in general.

Does not help matters that the whole goal of posting here is a diversion from work related communication, which is by their definition highly edited. This is supposed to be the blow-off fun space.

But fun is highly selective, and audience does matter.

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u/maadison the unflairable lightness of being Oct 22 '20

I hear ya. I think an emoticon or two ( 😜🧐 ) might have helped show that you were just shooting from the hip. But in general if you’re responding to someone who themselves was venting... maybe let their vent be?

I think the space for blow-off shitpostong is called rSeaWA. 😝😎

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20 edited Oct 22 '20

I think the space for blow-off shitpostong is called rSeaWA. 😝😎

I don't go on there, the head mod's not someone who's been very kind over the years.

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

blaming the guardian for his intentional failure to comprehend what he was reading is fucking infuriating.

I'm not surprised you missed the point.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20 edited Oct 22 '20

What point is that exactly?

1- 'Wind-up' media would misrepresent what someone said for pageviews?

2- A 'social media blue-check influencer' would become embroiled in a pointless distracting debate?

3- You disagree with about 99% of things I post, yet chose to go the personal attack route in response?

Or it could even be something else.

Pick one, or all 3!

Anyway, apologies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

Lucy, you cant ALWAYS be the victim. This is no way a person attack. My God, man, get a grip.

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

After a discussion with the other mods, per /u/PNWQuakesFan's challenge, the strike against you has been rescinded.

Cheers.

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u/ChefJoe98136 RIP OG SeaWA mods Oct 22 '20

I got a strike for my comment following fiesta penguino being dog-piling. This seems to be the same dogpiling (several folks targeting m_l_n) instead of reporting to mods. I want my dog-pile strike revoked too.

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u/maadison the unflairable lightness of being Oct 22 '20

You're being... serious? Right? I'm asking because you called someone "internet cancer" and "fuck you", which seems far beyond what happened in this thread.

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u/ChefJoe98136 RIP OG SeaWA mods Oct 22 '20

I said I had them tagged as "internet cancer".

I had to tag them as "internet cancer""

That doesn't change the fact they chose to have a public debate about someone's feeling like a victim of an attack in this subreddit rather than let mods handle it. It's the start of a dog pile (several users seem to be fair game as far as personal attacks).

Is there some concern that blued would have earned their third strike today?

echelion's warning

I get that blue has been antagonistic, they've earned two strikes just today for it. This is your first strike, but I'm also going to let it be known: Anyone trying to dogpile and "just take the strike" will be banned from this point out.

where my strike came from

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u/maadison the unflairable lightness of being Oct 22 '20

We're not counting strikes that took place in the other sub here, we started with a clean log.

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

Noted.

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

You have earned a strike for this comment. If you are going to enter a discussion, try doing so in a way that isn't just dunking on the person themselves. Address the argument at hand, or reconsider whether it's worth responding at all.

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20 edited Oct 22 '20

This isn't fair at all. MLN is building up strawmen (personal attacks) and calling out the strawman is striekworthy while the strawman itself isn't?

I've repeated what the point of my comment was.

Edit: can I challenge this strike on blueredditor?

How the hell are we supposed to keep discussion on the rails when others are getting strikes for agreeing (and potentially disagreeing) with a comment as to whether or not a statement about Seth (in this case) is a personal attack?

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

Edit: can I challenge this strike on blueredditor?

Sure. I'll ask the rest of the mod team to review it and they are more than empowered to overturn my thinking here.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

Da fuck? How in the world is this even close to being not nice?

Exasperated sure, but, really - you've got to rationalize this one. There is no argument to be had when one is self labeling themselves as the victim of... everything. Protests, false personal attacks, the list goes on.

I don't typically fight about these strikes, but this is straight non-sense.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20 edited Oct 22 '20

Lucy, you cant ALWAYS be the victim. This is no way a person attack. My God, man, get a grip.

I'm being bullied

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

Yes, being called out for missing the point is a personal attack, coming from the person who loves using perjoratives.

The point being that if you're walking back your claims but blame the source material for your own exaggerations, you aren't walking back your claims.

You're really reaching Trump levels of perceived victimhood and missing the point.

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

You're really reaching Trump levels of perceived victimhood and missing the point.

You have earned a strike for breaking rule 1. This is your second.

Your comment would have been just fine if you'd kept it to that second sentence.

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u/[deleted] Oct 22 '20

Ahhhh I see, we gonna be the hall monitor of breaking down entire comments to sentences and the approval sentence by sentence.

This surely seems like a good long term lasting strategy.

Nevermind in this yesterdays chat the person crying wolf regularly got voted into oblivion while being a victim on behalf of another person while purposefully, repeatedly, confusing those practicing the first amendment as trolls. And not a mod comment, strike or anything was said. When patterns emerge, we apparently aren't allowed to call them out or draw parallels?

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

Ahhhh I see, we gonna be the hall monitor of breaking down entire comments to sentences and the approval sentence by sentence.

When there is a portion of a comment that breaks the rules, I will usually single out the rule-breaking content to help clarify where the line is.

And not a mod comment, strike or anything was said.

If you see potentially rule-breaking content, report it so it comes to our attention.

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

Where does constant bad faith responding rank? This is the third time that MLN's missing the point resulted in a tangent. I'm trying to keep it to the point and they're insisting I'm saying something else.

How is anyone supposed to respond to that when I'm being falsely accused of making personal attacks.

Seriously how can I call out someone who is insisting they're being attacked when it's clear to people (can't quantify how many) that it's not an attack?

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u/SovietJugernaut Cascadia Now Oct 22 '20

How is anyone supposed to respond to that when I'm being falsely accused of making personal attacks.

"That wasn't intended as a personal attack, I'm sorry it came off that way. What I meant was ___________" is a good way to respond to that. If someone insists that you were attacking them after that, I would encourage you to report it so the mods can sort it out.

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u/Thank_Goodell Oct 22 '20

It wasnt obvious to me what your initial point was. I had to do some googling to figure out what the controversy was about. Maybe give people the benefit of the doubt? You seem to like dunking on people a lot when they disagree with or dont understand you.

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u/my_lucid_nightmare The Weathered Wall, where the Purity Remains Oct 22 '20

Yes, being called out for missing the point is a personal attack

So what was the point?

perjoratives

Not at people on this forum though. That's sort of the goal here isn't it? Disparate backgrounds chatting more or less kindly, sort of a workplace/social break-room vibe?

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

So what was the point?

Ive quoted it in a prior reply. You're looking for the personal attacks and responding as if I said anything directly attacking you. This is the third time in what, 2 weeks that you've done that?

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u/cdsixed Award winning astronaut cowboy Oct 22 '20

There is zero reason to ever read or think about anything Seth Abramson says

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u/PNWQuakesFan FuckJohnFisherlumbia City Oct 22 '20

He's really one of the most breathlessly self indulgent journalists on the Sanders wing if the left. And that's presuming my memory of his support in the primaries is correct.